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Dnarever Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 59476 Here Gender:	Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses? Reply #45 - Apr 18^th, 2023 at 8:16pm Quote: Has Ukraine lied about their losses? This topic is based on yet another Fox lie.
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Reply #46 - Apr 18^th, 2023 at 8:24pm

Dnarever wrote on Apr 18^th, 2023 at 8:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 18^th, 2023 at 8:10pm:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 18^th, 2023 at 8:05pm:

ukraine have suffered enormous losses.
this is a WW1 trench warfare fight with russia lobbing artillery shells by the gazillion.
how could their losses not be in the 100's of 1000's.

all will be revealed shortly when they fall back to kiev.

it was always going to end this way.

the last 12 months have been great for arms producers but a catastrophe for 17 yo ukranian men

The Ukrainians would have been better off to surrender on the first day.
Why should 100s of 1000s of them die to protect Europe?
NATO should have stepped in to help them with ALL their assets
by the first week of the war.

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Why should 100s of 1000s of them die to protect Europe?

They are protecting Ukraine from evil bstds.

They sure are - the Russians are most vile, evil creatures on the planet
and Europe doesn't want to sacrifice one soldier to keep them out
or help Ukraine.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25031 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses? Reply #47 - Apr 18^th, 2023 at 8:25pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 18^th, 2023 at 8:24pm: They sure are - the Russians are most vile, evil creatures on the planet and Europe doesn't want to sacrifice one soldier to keep them out or help Ukraine. Would you sacrifice a soldier to keep Russians out of Ukraine?
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Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses?
Reply #48 - Apr 18^th, 2023 at 8:29pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 18^th, 2023 at 8:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 18^th, 2023 at 8:24pm:

They sure are - the Russians are most vile, evil creatures on the planet
and Europe doesn't want to sacrifice one soldier to keep them out
or help Ukraine.

Would you sacrifice a soldier to keep Russians out of Ukraine?

If I was a politician and part of NATO -
I would have sent soldiers in on the first day of the Ukraine war -
including NATO tanks and jet fighters.
The road into Kiev would have been a highway of death for all those Russian tanks.
NATO needed to nip it in the bud before it really got going.

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Reply #49 - Apr 18^th, 2023 at 9:21pm

theres really not much difference between ukraine and russia.

both are corrupt.
ukraine was voted the most corrupt country in europe
50 % of people have to pay bribes to get public servants to act.
they both have super rich oligarchs who exploit the natural resources and stick the cash off shore
its the hangover of the socialist state.

let them sort it out.

russia defeated napoleon after initial blunders
russia defeated germany after initial blunders
the russians will defeat ukraine after initial blunders

the country is pretty much demolished, every dude with a ride will be off to germany to join the syrians
russia doesnt have the cash to rebuild it after they conquer it so it will just be exploited to grow food.
the rich black soil is 10 metres deep, so thats all its good for.
america will piss off back to america and the military industrial complex will distribute the profits.

what on earth has the west achieved?

its iraq and afghanistan and vuetnam and syria and all over again.

wrecked countries used and abandoned after critical infrastructure is destroyed.

the afghans are already starving but no one gives a toss , now there isnt a buck to be made.
and the leftie SJW's are the worst

rabbiting on about educating afghani girls and now leaving them starving and married to 70 yo men.yuk

america should do what donald wanted to do

stuff nato

build a wall and mind your own business.
the first president not to start a new war in 40 years.

not like the demented marionette currently reading the script raytheon hand him Roll Eyes

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Reply #50 - Apr 18^th, 2023 at 10:43pm

aquascoot wrote on Apr 18^th, 2023 at 9:21pm:

theres really not much difference between ukraine and russia.

both are corrupt.
ukraine was voted the most corrupt country in europe
50 % of people have to pay bribes to get public servants to act.
they both have super rich oligarchs who exploit the natural resources and stick the cash off shore
its the hangover of the socialist state.

let them sort it out.

russia defeated napoleon after initial blunders
russia defeated germany after initial blunders
the russians will defeat ukraine after initial blunders

the country is pretty much demolished, every dude with a ride will be off to germany to join the syrians
russia doesnt have the cash to rebuild it after they conquer it so it will just be exploited to grow food.
the rich black soil is 10 metres deep, so thats all its good for.
america will piss off back to america and the military industrial complex will distribute the profits.

what on earth has the west achieved?

its iraq and afghanistan and vuetnam and syria and all over again.

wrecked countries used and abandoned after critical infrastructure is destroyed.

the afghans are already starving but no one gives a toss , now there isnt a buck to be made.
and the leftie SJW's are the worst

rabbiting on about educating afghani girls and now leaving them starving and married to 70 yo men.yuk

america should do what donald wanted to do

stuff nato

build a wall and mind your own business.
the first president not to start a new war in 40 years.

not like the demented marionette currently reading the script raytheon hand him Roll Eyes

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theres really not much difference between ukraine and russia.

Is there a point - does it matter ? What difference does it make.

Is it ok to invade and brutalise countries when they are similar?

I don't see it. What are you trying to show here?

I see the scatter gun is out.

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Reply #51 - Apr 18^th, 2023 at 10:54pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 18^th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

If I was a politician and part of NATO -
I would have sent soldiers in on the first day of the Ukraine war -
including NATO tanks and jet fighters.
The road into Kiev would have been a highway of death for all those Russian tanks.
NATO needed to nip it in the bud before it really got going.

You would not be a politician for long. What does a poor country like Ukraine have to offer NATO? And why would you would want to spend invaluable resources like your country's soldiers to save a country with 40 million people?

I have a relative that lives in Ukraine. But, even with her in some element of danger, I would not send any unwilling soldier into a warzone to potentially prevent her and her community from obliteration. The best I could do is keep the sanctions against Russia in place, and hope that the Russians would give up and settle for Crimea.

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Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses?
Reply #52 - Apr 18^th, 2023 at 10:58pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 18^th, 2023 at 10:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 18^th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

If I was a politician and part of NATO -
I would have sent soldiers in on the first day of the Ukraine war -
including NATO tanks and jet fighters.
The road into Kiev would have been a highway of death for all those Russian tanks.
NATO needed to nip it in the bud before it really got going.

You would not be a politician for long. What does a poor country like Ukraine have to offer NATO? And why would you would want to spend invaluable resources like your country's soldiers to save a country with 40 million people?

I have a relative that lives in Ukraine. But, even with her in some element of danger, I would not send any unwilling soldier into a warzone to potentially prevent her and her community from obliteration. The best I could do is keep the sanctions against Russia in place, and hope that the Russians would give up and settle for Crimea.

No -
NATO needed to give the Russians a highway of death just like 1991:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_of_Death

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25031 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses? Reply #53 - Apr 19^th, 2023 at 3:46pm You are talking crap, Bobby.
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 107530 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses? Reply #54 - Apr 20^th, 2023 at 9:35am Teixeira is one of more than one million people who have Top Secret clearance.
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Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses?
Reply #55 - Apr 20^th, 2023 at 9:40am

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 19^th, 2023 at 3:46pm:

You are talking crap, Bobby.

No I'm not.
NATO didn't have to invade Russia -
all they needed to do in February 2022 was crush the invading army that was
trying to enter Kiev on that long road inside Ukraine.
There were over 500 vehicles including many tanks.
They ran out of fuel and supplies and
many vehicles broke down -
they were sitting ducks for the NATO air force.

I bet the Russians would have ran into the fields while
NATO destroyed all their broken down vehicles.
It would have been a good lesson for Putin but sleepy Joe didn't have the guts to do it.
He's a weak leader.
Trump would have done what was needed to be done as Trump has a set of balls.

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Reply #56 - Apr 20^th, 2023 at 1:31pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20^th, 2023 at 9:35am:

Teixeira is one of more than one million people who have Top Secret clearance.

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/135/675/182/original/4103fd...

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more than one million people who have Top Secret clearance.

The report I seen said that 1.5 million had top secret clearance.

This guy was a junior airman.

They have said that they find it easier for young people to get clearance because the older you are the more life experience you have the more likely that there will be something to find in the checks. They are not saying that younger people are better for security just that they don't have enough life experience to be assessed properly.

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Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses?
Reply #57 - Apr 20^th, 2023 at 2:07pm

aquascoot wrote on Apr 18^th, 2023 at 9:21pm:

theres really not much difference between ukraine and russia.

both are corrupt.
ukraine was voted the most corrupt country in europe
50 % of people have to pay bribes to get public servants to act.
they both have super rich oligarchs who exploit the natural resources and stick the cash off shore
its the hangover of the socialist state.

let them sort it out.

russia defeated napoleon after initial blunders
russia defeated germany after initial blunders
the russians will defeat ukraine after initial blunders

the country is pretty much demolished, every dude with a ride will be off to germany to join the syrians
russia doesnt have the cash to rebuild it after they conquer it so it will just be exploited to grow food.
the rich black soil is 10 metres deep, so thats all its good for.
america will piss off back to america and the military industrial complex will distribute the profits.

what on earth has the west achieved?

its iraq and afghanistan and vuetnam and syria and all over again.

wrecked countries used and abandoned after critical infrastructure is destroyed.

the afghans are already starving but no one gives a toss , now there isnt a buck to be made.
and the leftie SJW's are the worst

rabbiting on about educating afghani girls and now leaving them starving and married to 70 yo men.yuk

america should do what donald wanted to do

stuff nato

build a wall and mind your own business.
the first president not to start a new war in 40 years.

not like the demented marionette currently reading the script raytheon hand him Roll Eyes

Donald installed 27 miles of new steel fencing, dear. He spent the rest of his time in office on executive time, writing love letters to Kim and praising Xi for his management of covid.

He was not the first president to start no wars in 40 years, but he was the first to see more factories close down and move to Chi-na since 1998.

We most certainly will not leave Vlad to sort it out. Russia is the world's biggest terrorist state. Everyone is at risk from Vlad's hackers. Where previously, this was confined to Vlad's political opponents like Hillary and Obama, we're all at risk. My own info was stolen when Latitude was broken into. Forget bombing Ukrainian hospitals and being a jolly old war criminal. Vlad's not content to just politically meddle, getting politicians like your Dear Leader erected, he's coming after us all.

The moral equivalency is not Russia and Ukraine, but Vlad and Donald. These two are respectively the most dangerous and inept rulers we've seen since WWII.

NATO is responsible for presiding over the longest period of peace Europe has ever seen. An attack on one NATO country is an attack on them all, America included. If it wasn't for NATO, Vlad would have advanced into Poland and beyond.

We stand by our friends. You?

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Reply #58 - Apr 20^th, 2023 at 2:44pm

you are such a dumbie matty fisk.

politics is now a reality tv show.

just like reality tv, most of the day is boring and so they just get the few interesting bits and those are the dramatic bits and they sell that to the public and the public love it.

good guys and bad guys, heroes and villians .

american politics is now akin to "the real housewifes of washington"

smart politicians know you get NO brownie points for slaving away at your desk 18 hrs a day.
if you do that, you will become a nobody and disappear.

the smart pollie knows that to win the game, you have to have a big personality.

you have to be a trump or an AOC or a lydia thorpe or a jaqui lambie or a pauline hanson or a maxine waters .
you have to be a star.

you and gweg are totally addicted to the soap opera. admit it.

there are heaps of mayors and congressmen and politicians doing a good solid job and you have no time for them, cant name them and have no interest in them

you are the audience, the "entertainer in chief" is playing to.
congratulations.
without people like you, there would be no trump

if you were devoted to family and career and community , trump would wither on the vine.

your love of the drama is the reason the drama exists.

so dont be blaming trump
go look in the mirror.
he is the manifestation of your low vibration state Grin

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Reply #59 - Apr 20^th, 2023 at 2:56pm

aquascoot wrote on Apr 20^th, 2023 at 2:44pm:

you are such a dumbie matty fisk.

politics is now a reality tv show.

just like reality tv, most of the day is boring and so they just get the few interesting bits and those are the dramatic bits and they sell that to the public and the public love it.

good guys and bad guys, heroes and villians .

american politics is now akin to "the real housewifes of washington"

smart politicians know you get NO brownie points for slaving away at your desk 18 hrs a day.
if you do that, you will become a nobody and disappear.

the smart pollie knows that to win the game, you have to have a big personality.

you have to be a trump or an AOC or a lydia thorpe or a jaqui lambie or a pauline hanson or a maxine waters .
you have to be a star.

you and gweg are totally addicted to the soap opera. admit it.

there are heaps of mayors and congressmen and politicians doing a good solid job and you have no time for them, cant name them and have no interest in them

you are the audience, the "entertainer in chief" is playing to.
congratulations.
without people like you, there would be no trump

if you were devoted to family and career and community , trump would wither on the vine.

your love of the drama is the reason the drama exists.

so dont be blaming trump
go look in the mirror.
he is the manifestation of your low vibration state Grin

Matty and Greggy love it. Grin

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