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Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses?
Reply #60 - Apr 20th, 2023 at 3:01pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2023 at 9:40am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 19th, 2023 at 3:46pm:
You are talking crap, Bobby.



No I'm not.
NATO didn't have to invade Russia -
all they needed to do in February 2022 was crush the invading army that was
trying to enter Kiev on that long road inside Ukraine.
There were over 500 vehicles including many tanks.
They ran out of fuel and supplies and
many vehicles broke down -
they were sitting ducks for the NATO air force.

I bet the Russians would have ran into the fields while
NATO destroyed all their broken down vehicles.
It would have been a good lesson for Putin but sleepy Joe didn't have the guts to do it.
He's a weak leader.
Trump would have done what was needed to be done as Trump has a set of balls.


What you are saying was that NATO would have had the resources and forces to do something about stopping the Russians at a moment's notice. The problem is, Ukraine is possibly not seen as much more of a country than that which produces a considerable amount of wheat. 40-something million people with an average income of about what I make in 2 months working a part-time job. The eastern parts of Ukraine has separatist movements looking to join Russia.

With this in mind, it is unlikely that the EU and NATO want to do much more than to supply Ukraine with weapons and ammunition, as well as to push sanctions onto Russia. Though, I doubt that they would really care if most or all of Ukraine falls to Russia. Maybe Russia is going to become another USSR, and maybe the world would want that to be the way.
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Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses?
Reply #61 - Apr 20th, 2023 at 3:04pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2023 at 2:56pm:
aquascoot wrote on Apr 20th, 2023 at 2:44pm:
you are such a dumbie matty fisk.

politics is now a reality tv show.

just like reality tv, most of the day is boring and so they just get the few interesting bits and those are the dramatic bits and they sell that to the public and the public love it.


good guys and bad guys, heroes and villians .

american politics is now akin to "the real housewifes of washington"

smart politicians know you get NO brownie points for slaving away at your desk 18 hrs a day.
if you do that, you will become a nobody and disappear.

the smart pollie knows that to win the game, you have to have a big personality.

you have to be a trump or an AOC or a lydia thorpe or a jaqui lambie or a pauline hanson or a maxine waters .
you have to be a star.

you and gweg are totally addicted to the soap opera. admit it.

there are heaps of mayors and congressmen and politicians doing a good solid job and you have no time for them, cant name them and have no interest in them

you are the audience, the "entertainer in chief" is playing to.
congratulations.
without people like you, there would be no trump

if you were devoted to family and career and community , trump would wither on the vine.

your love of the drama is the reason the drama exists.

so dont be blaming trump
go look in the mirror.
he is the manifestation of your low vibration state  Grin Grin Grin



Matty and Greggy love it.   Grin


they love love love it.
they are 'the real housewives of washingtons" biggest fans
they love that all they get to watch is the drama
they love the sexual scandals and the capitol riots and the BLM riots and the name calling and the good v evil.
they dont want sober sensible rational government
they would be bored to death
the drama is what they are addicted on because they have no drama going on in their own boring lives.

trump has built skyscrpaers. mixed with models, rubbed shoulders with rocket boy, gone to best parties, been the focus of attention, had millions of screaming fans attend his rallies, been loved and hated.

he has done EVRYTHING they have not and they are so so so jealous  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses?
Reply #62 - Apr 20th, 2023 at 3:14pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Apr 20th, 2023 at 3:04pm:
they love love love it.
they are 'the real housewives of washingtons" biggest fans
they love that all they get to watch is the drama
they love the sexual scandals and the capitol riots and the BLM riots and the name calling and the good v evil.
they dont want sober sensible rational government
they would be bored to death
the drama is what they are addicted on because they have no drama going on in their own boring lives.

trump has built skyscrpaers. mixed with models, rubbed shoulders with rocket boy, gone to best parties, been the focus of attention, had millions of screaming fans attend his rallies, been loved and hated.

he has done EVRYTHING they have not and they are so so so jealous  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



And for them sleepy Joe can do no wrong:


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Reply #63 - Apr 20th, 2023 at 3:31pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2023 at 3:14pm:
aquascoot wrote on Apr 20th, 2023 at 3:04pm:
they love love love it.
they are 'the real housewives of washingtons" biggest fans
they love that all they get to watch is the drama
they love the sexual scandals and the capitol riots and the BLM riots and the name calling and the good v evil.
they dont want sober sensible rational government
they would be bored to death
the drama is what they are addicted on because they have no drama going on in their own boring lives.

trump has built skyscrpaers. mixed with models, rubbed shoulders with rocket boy, gone to best parties, been the focus of attention, had millions of screaming fans attend his rallies, been loved and hated.

he has done EVRYTHING they have not and they are so so so jealous  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



And for them sleepy Joe can do no wrong:


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Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses?
Reply #64 - Apr 20th, 2023 at 5:33pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Apr 20th, 2023 at 2:44pm:
you are such a dumbie matty fisk.

politics is now a reality tv show.

just like reality tv, most of the day is boring and so they just get the few interesting bits and those are the dramatic bits and they sell that to the public and the public love it.


good guys and bad guys, heroes and villians .

american politics is now akin to "the real housewifes of washington"

smart politicians know you get NO brownie points for slaving away at your desk 18 hrs a day.
if you do that, you will become a nobody and disappear.

the smart pollie knows that to win the game, you have to have a big personality.

you have to be a trump or an AOC or a lydia thorpe or a jaqui lambie or a pauline hanson or a maxine waters .
you have to be a star.

you and gweg are totally addicted to the soap opera. admit it.

there are heaps of mayors and congressmen and politicians doing a good solid job and you have no time for them, cant name them and have no interest in them

you are the audience, the "entertainer in chief" is playing to.
congratulations.
without people like you, there would be no trump

if you were devoted to family and career and community , trump would wither on the vine.

your love of the drama is the reason the drama exists.

so dont be blaming trump
go look in the mirror.
he is the manifestation of your low vibration state  Grin Grin Grin


Vlad is the coldest fish in the tank, dear. He is the very manifestation of the low vibration state. He's a cold-blooded plotter. He came to power by sticking time bombs in Russian apartment buildings. His latest is the bombing of Ukrainian schools and hospitals. He's the only world leader currently on an Interpol watch list for war crimes. If his private jet ever passes through European airspace, fighter jets will escort him to the nearest airport, where he will be arrested and sent to the Hague.

Politics, as understood by all noble citizens, is about providing the maximum good to the greatest number of people. It is about minimising your fellow citizens' pain. For Vlad, it is the exact opposite. He is the first leader to invade a sovereign European country since WWII. He is universally despised by all noble citizens.

Your Dear Leader is just an imitator. All he ever achieved in office was a few new moves to the Village People. That, and a lot of pain to the greatest number. He certainly achieved the highest death toll - for the most spending too. By every measure as a modern world leader, he failed. You've even conceded that.

But I'm curious. What sort of deplorable would go for Vlad?

You?
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Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses?
Reply #65 - Apr 20th, 2023 at 5:45pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2023 at 2:56pm:
aquascoot wrote on Apr 20th, 2023 at 2:44pm:
you are such a dumbie matty fisk.

politics is now a reality tv show.

just like reality tv, most of the day is boring and so they just get the few interesting bits and those are the dramatic bits and they sell that to the public and the public love it.


good guys and bad guys, heroes and villians .

american politics is now akin to "the real housewifes of washington"

smart politicians know you get NO brownie points for slaving away at your desk 18 hrs a day.
if you do that, you will become a nobody and disappear.

the smart pollie knows that to win the game, you have to have a big personality.

you have to be a trump or an AOC or a lydia thorpe or a jaqui lambie or a pauline hanson or a maxine waters .
you have to be a star.

you and gweg are totally addicted to the soap opera. admit it.

there are heaps of mayors and congressmen and politicians doing a good solid job and you have no time for them, cant name them and have no interest in them

you are the audience, the "entertainer in chief" is playing to.
congratulations.
without people like you, there would be no trump

if you were devoted to family and career and community , trump would wither on the vine.

your love of the drama is the reason the drama exists.

so dont be blaming trump
go look in the mirror.
he is the manifestation of your low vibration state  Grin Grin Grin



Matty and Greggy love it.   Grin


Just so. Yesterday, we got to see Fox News own up to a $786,000,000 lie. Two weeks ago, we witnessed your Dear Leader put his shoulder through a Manhattan courtroom door when he didn't have it opened for him.

We'll win so much. Very soon, we'll get to see Aquascoot's "noble Vlad" die of cancer. I've already met Russians in voluntary exile burning through their life savings waiting on this.

Beware the one in whom the instinct to punish is strong, Bobby. Your Dear Leader is the "law and order candidate". You like a good hanging, no?

When you hang a man, Bobby, you'd better look him in the eye.

You.
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Reply #66 - Apr 20th, 2023 at 5:49pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 20th, 2023 at 5:33pm:
aquascoot wrote on Apr 20th, 2023 at 2:44pm:
you are such a dumbie matty fisk.

politics is now a reality tv show.

just like reality tv, most of the day is boring and so they just get the few interesting bits and those are the dramatic bits and they sell that to the public and the public love it.


good guys and bad guys, heroes and villians .

american politics is now akin to "the real housewifes of washington"

smart politicians know you get NO brownie points for slaving away at your desk 18 hrs a day.
if you do that, you will become a nobody and disappear.

the smart pollie knows that to win the game, you have to have a big personality.

you have to be a trump or an AOC or a lydia thorpe or a jaqui lambie or a pauline hanson or a maxine waters .
you have to be a star.

you and gweg are totally addicted to the soap opera. admit it.

there are heaps of mayors and congressmen and politicians doing a good solid job and you have no time for them, cant name them and have no interest in them

you are the audience, the "entertainer in chief" is playing to.
congratulations.
without people like you, there would be no trump

if you were devoted to family and career and community , trump would wither on the vine.

your love of the drama is the reason the drama exists.

so dont be blaming trump
go look in the mirror.
he is the manifestation of your low vibration state  Grin Grin Grin


Vlad is the coldest fish in the tank, dear. He is the very manifestation of the low vibration state. He's a cold-blooded plotter. He came to power by sticking time bombs in Russian apartment buildings. His latest is the bombing of Ukrainian schools and hospitals. He's the only world leader currently on an Interpol watch list for war crimes. If his private jet ever passes through European airspace, fighter jets will escort him to the nearest airport, where he will be arrested and sent to the Hague.

Politics, as understood by all noble citizens, is about providing the maximum good to the greatest number of people. It is about minimising your fellow citizens' pain. For Vlad, it is the exact opposite. He is the first leader to invade a sovereign European country since WWII. He is universally despised by all noble citizens.

Your Dear Leader is just an imitator. All he ever achieved in office was a few new moves to the Village People. That, and a lot of pain to the greatest number. He certainly achieved the highest death toll - for the most spending too. By every measure as a modern world leader, he failed. You've even conceded that.

But I'm curious. What sort of deplorable would go for Vlad?

You?


vlad is a james bond type character.
you consider him a villain, his own supporters consider him a super hero.
either way, he has a starring role in the drama and hence he has taken up residence in your head
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Reply #67 - Apr 20th, 2023 at 6:28pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 20th, 2023 at 5:45pm:
Just so. Yesterday, we got to see Fox News own up to a $786,000,000 lie. Two weeks ago, we witnessed your Dear Leader put his shoulder through a Manhattan courtroom door when he didn't have it opened for him.

We'll win so much. Very soon, we'll get to see Aquascoot's "noble Vlad" die of cancer. I've already met Russians in voluntary exile burning through their life savings waiting on this.

Beware the one in whom the instinct to punish is strong, Bobby. Your Dear Leader is the "law and order candidate". You like a good hanging, no?

When you hang a man, Bobby, you'd better look him in the eye.

You.



I know you wanna hang Trump
but you couldn't do the job - you're too weak -
you have to look at em.


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Reply #68 - Apr 20th, 2023 at 6:33pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Apr 20th, 2023 at 5:49pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 20th, 2023 at 5:33pm:
aquascoot wrote on Apr 20th, 2023 at 2:44pm:
you are such a dumbie matty fisk.

politics is now a reality tv show.

just like reality tv, most of the day is boring and so they just get the few interesting bits and those are the dramatic bits and they sell that to the public and the public love it.


good guys and bad guys, heroes and villians .

american politics is now akin to "the real housewifes of washington"

smart politicians know you get NO brownie points for slaving away at your desk 18 hrs a day.
if you do that, you will become a nobody and disappear.

the smart pollie knows that to win the game, you have to have a big personality.

you have to be a trump or an AOC or a lydia thorpe or a jaqui lambie or a pauline hanson or a maxine waters .
you have to be a star.

you and gweg are totally addicted to the soap opera. admit it.

there are heaps of mayors and congressmen and politicians doing a good solid job and you have no time for them, cant name them and have no interest in them

you are the audience, the "entertainer in chief" is playing to.
congratulations.
without people like you, there would be no trump

if you were devoted to family and career and community , trump would wither on the vine.

your love of the drama is the reason the drama exists.

so dont be blaming trump
go look in the mirror.
he is the manifestation of your low vibration state  Grin Grin Grin


Vlad is the coldest fish in the tank, dear. He is the very manifestation of the low vibration state. He's a cold-blooded plotter. He came to power by sticking time bombs in Russian apartment buildings. His latest is the bombing of Ukrainian schools and hospitals. He's the only world leader currently on an Interpol watch list for war crimes. If his private jet ever passes through European airspace, fighter jets will escort him to the nearest airport, where he will be arrested and sent to the Hague.

Politics, as understood by all noble citizens, is about providing the maximum good to the greatest number of people. It is about minimising your fellow citizens' pain. For Vlad, it is the exact opposite. He is the first leader to invade a sovereign European country since WWII. He is universally despised by all noble citizens.

Your Dear Leader is just an imitator. All he ever achieved in office was a few new moves to the Village People. That, and a lot of pain to the greatest number. He certainly achieved the highest death toll - for the most spending too. By every measure as a modern world leader, he failed. You've even conceded that.

But I'm curious. What sort of deplorable would go for Vlad?

You?


vlad is a james bond type character.
you consider him a villain, his own supporters consider him a super hero.
either way, he has a starring role in the drama and hence he has taken up residence in your head


Oh, I know. We've seen you attributing him with every heroic accolade from ace fighter pilot to champion test cricketer.

He most certainly is not in my head dear. His hackers have my data. Vlad, grand chess master, judo expert and concert pianist has also single-handedly turned the Doomsday clock twenty minutes closer to midnight.

Yes, while your Dear Leader was busting his moves to the YMCA in 2020, Vlad was planning his invasion of Ukraine. Your Dear Leader's other pal Kim was happily developing his own long-range nuclear weapons system.

Strange, your Dear Leader was on Tucker only last week, entertaining the chodes with the N word he never dared to use, but now threatens life as we know it, if he's not erected in 2024.

These are the guys you profess to love.

Deslicable stuff.
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Reply #69 - Apr 20th, 2023 at 7:34pm
 
these are the guys i profess to study.

i leave the adoration to you and gweg who hang around trump like lovesick teenagers

trump is the first president in 40 years to start no new wars

it is the biden administration who have moved the doomsday clock closer to midnight

vlad could respect donny as the type of guy who told nato to stop sucking on the USA's titties and that america would be looking after america . note vlad did not invade during trumps presidency because he felt his motherland to be safe

biden walked that all back and so vlad felt compelled to act.

why are the left the worlds new war mongers
Cry Cry Cry Cry

why do they love arming 16 yo ukrainian boys and sending them off to die.
Cry Cry Cry Cry
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Reply #70 - Apr 20th, 2023 at 10:58pm
 
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/04/17/leaks-spelling-the-end-for-ukraine/

Leaks Spelling the End for Ukraine


April 17, 2023
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Leaked U.S. intelligence documents have exposed Western disinformation  about Ukraine winning the war.
Now the heavy fighting moves to Washington, writes Joe Lauria. 


A Washington Post headline last week was a bombshell for someone who has only been reading about the Ukraine war in The Washington Post and other Western media: “U.S. doubts Ukraine counteroffensive will yield big gains, leaked document says.”

The story admits that Western media audiences have been misled about the course of the war, that essentially what mainstream media has been reporting about Ukraine has been a pack of lies: namely that Ukraine is winning the war and is poised to launch an offensive that will lead to a final victory.

Instead, the second paragraph of the piece makes clear the leaked documents show the long-planned Ukrainian offensive will fail miserably — “a marked departure from the Biden administration’s public statements about the vitality of Ukraine’s military.” 

In other words, U.S. officials have been lying about the state of the war to the public and to reporters who have faithfully reported their every word without a hint of skepticism.

The Post said, as if it’s a bad thing, that the leaks will likely “embolden critics who feel the United States and NATO should do more to push for a negotiated settlement to the conflict.”

That has begun to happen. Writing in the uber-Establishment Foreign Affairs, former State Department official Richard Haass and Charles Kupchan, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, write that “it is difficult to feel sanguine about where the war is headed.”

In “The West Needs a New Strategy in Ukraine: A Plan for Getting From the Battlefield to the Negotiating Table,” they say:

“The best path forward is a sequenced two-pronged strategy aimed at first bolstering Ukraine’s military capability and then, when the fighting season winds down late this year, ushering Moscow and Kyiv from the battlefield to the negotiating table.”
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Reply #71 - Apr 21st, 2023 at 12:32am
 
aquascoot wrote on Apr 20th, 2023 at 7:34pm:
these are the guys i profess to study.

i leave the adoration to you and gweg who hang around trump like lovesick teenagers

trump is the first president in 40 years to start no new wars

it is the biden administration who have moved the doomsday clock closer to midnight

vlad could respect donny as the type of guy who told nato to stop sucking on the USA's titties and that america would be looking after america . note vlad did not invade during trumps presidency because he felt his motherland to be safe

biden walked that all back and so vlad felt compelled to act.

why are the left the worlds new war mongers
Cry Cry Cry Cry

why do they love arming 16 yo ukrainian boys and sending them off to die.
Cry Cry Cry Cry


Incorrect. Ukrainians are defending themselves against your Dear Leader, who enabled Vlad to invade. Your Dear Leader is the first president to withhold congressional military aid to a country under seige. He is the first prez to stand before the world and say this: I see no reason why it would be Russia. He subsequently called Vlad a genius, a peacemaker, very savvy, and said he knows him well.

Vlad currently holds a video of him being pissed on by Russian hos.

Not looking good, is it?
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Reply #72 - Apr 21st, 2023 at 4:32am
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 21st, 2023 at 12:32am:
aquascoot wrote on Apr 20th, 2023 at 7:34pm:
these are the guys i profess to study.

i leave the adoration to you and gweg who hang around trump like lovesick teenagers

trump is the first president in 40 years to start no new wars

it is the biden administration who have moved the doomsday clock closer to midnight

vlad could respect donny as the type of guy who told nato to stop sucking on the USA's titties and that america would be looking after america . note vlad did not invade during trumps presidency because he felt his motherland to be safe

biden walked that all back and so vlad felt compelled to act.

why are the left the worlds new war mongers
Cry Cry Cry Cry

why do they love arming 16 yo ukrainian boys and sending them off to die.
Cry Cry Cry Cry


Incorrect. Ukrainians are defending themselves against your Dear Leader, who enabled Vlad to invade. Your Dear Leader is the first president to withhold congressional military aid to a country under seige. He is the first prez to stand before the world and say this: I see no reason why it would be Russia. He subsequently called Vlad a genius, a peacemaker, very savvy, and said he knows him well.

Vlad currently holds a video of him being pissed on by Russian hos.

Not looking good, is it?


what video  Grin Grin Grin Grin.

even if he did, that wouldnt drop donnys ratings

it would confirm he is a party animal.

Jill biden has similar videos of being pissed on by Joe but its because he gets confused at night and cant find the toilet.

Donny is the first president in 40 years to not start a war.

vlad hates having nato on his doorstep. but he felt safe with donny in charge because donny was telling nato to fig off.

then sleepy joe comes in and starts cosying up to nato and vlad moves to secure his borders.

why did the left start and now support this newest version of vietnam

why the turnaround?

the ultra woke washington post published an article a few years ago on the total corruption of ukraine , painting it as worse then russia
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Reply #73 - Apr 21st, 2023 at 6:12am
 
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Leaked U.S. intelligence documents have exposed Western disinformation  about Ukraine winning the war.


I must have missed that bit of disinformation Bobby. You?
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Reply #74 - Apr 21st, 2023 at 7:53am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 21st, 2023 at 6:12am:
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Leaked U.S. intelligence documents have exposed Western disinformation  about Ukraine winning the war.


I must have missed that bit of disinformation Bobby. You?



Hi FD,
you could easily put  "Ukraine is winning the war" into Google and check.


Example:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/21/qa-dr-pavel-felgenhauer-russia-ukraine-...

Felgenhauer: The Russian military turned out to be not as strong as not only the West believes, but its own leadership believes. It’s not ready for modern warfare.

The Ukrainians are much better, they were better prepared organisationally and in terms of command and control, in terms of command personnel, and then they got better weapons than the Russians.

The Russian military has been isolated for more than 100 years from world tendencies in war-making. They are still living in the world of tanks, believing that if you mass enough, victory falls into your lap.

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