He's got a point though FD.
Besides 'Sanctions' against Communist Countries. Nearly everyone was guaranteed 'employment' and education, qualification, etc.
Take those Sanctions (From America's doing) away and the USSR and CCP were productive.
No ghettos, junkies, living on the streets, crime gangs, drug lords - like in the USA.

Even now, Americans are swimming to Cuba for better health care.

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 5:55pm:

So they stuffed up with the 'Great Leap Forward' with too much emphasis upon Industrial Revolution.
Remember, China had to adapt quickly, or suffer more 'exploitation' and invasion from surrounding nations near and afar. USA has never really been exploited by Canada, Mexico or Cuba like China has been.
For better or worse, China is no longer being bullied and being a victim. The path towards this was never going to be easy.

Look at Britain now - just a Service Provider nation.
Let's not forget the many who starved, died and were exploited during their Industrial Revolution.

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 5:39pm:


No, are you dementing? The discussion was about the relationship between  welfare dependency and the gap.

YOU changed the topic to the CCP; and then were unable to refute my comments re how the CCP deals with poverty, other than via  welfare dependency which is  the Oz method.

So get back on topic...where were we... oh yes:

Me: "So you deny the obvious fact welfare dependency is forced onto people, not 'chosen' by them?"


You: "I actually agree with you, at least in this context."

but then you diverted the debate from getting rid of welfare dependency in Oz, to what is happening in China.

And then you have the sheer incompetence to claim I make every  topic about CCP policy, when it's YOU who is doing that, as shown above. 

Another example of your fraudulent tendencies in debate, using diversion (and eg, changing topic from MMT to privatization, sheer fraudulent diversion, which you actually admitted to ..."FTW"...).

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 8:26pm:

That'll be chicken feed soon.

China is only a few years away from a demographic collapse, largely due to the one-child policy and the refusal of many Chinese women to have even one child now.

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 8:26pm:

No worries. Plenty more of them, where they come from.

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 10:43am:


You deplorable fraud: STAY ON TOPIC.

ie  enforced welfare dependency and the gap in Oz, under the heading 'the "wrong" referendum', no less...

Not surprisingly, I see most posters here at present are also happy to divert to criticize the CCP, rather than to examine the terrible dysfunctional Oz policy of welfare dependency  used to deal with entrenched unemployment and poverty , manifested especially in the gap (special because both cultural AND  economic issues are at play in the case of Oz blacks).

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:13am:


Where....In Australia what means of production are owned communally....Most means of production are privately owned....How is allowing individual groups Like Aborigines to have input into their own lives Communism Freediver???

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:23am:


In the article. It is explained very clearly in the article. Why are you criticising it if you haven't read it?