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Re: the wrong referendum
Reply #30 - Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:33am

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:13am:

The topic is the referendum. If you knew anything at all about this country you would know what that means.

Aha...an attempt at real debate.

So, the Nats reject a yes vote in the referendum, because "it won't close the gap".

See your error; what is the referendum FOR?

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Communism is...etc

You deplorable diversionary fraud... but let's see if there is anything on topic in the following:

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classless system in which the means of production are owned communally and private property is nonexistent or severely curtailed....How is allowing individual groups Like Aborigines to have input into their own lives Communism?

Non market-based employment (which is what is required to end welfare dependency in Oz) requires the local community to determine what is useful work to develop their own community.

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Freediver....It is actually the complete opposite....

FD talking about "communism", totally irrelevant in the "wrong referendum" debate (except in so far as a JG established by govt. acting as employer of last resort is a form of "communism").

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Why do you oppose giving Aboriginal people any autonomy

Non-market based employment REQUIRES local community autonomy and input in employment design, managed/funded by the federal govt. which is the ultimate arbiter of resource allocation.

[Note: you abandoned the Job Guarantee debate out of sheer incompetence. and ignorance.

[quote]Freediver....Are you that self serving and extreme you cannot see any good in anyone you denigrate on a daily basis??? [/quote]

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It is explained pretty clearly in the article. I'll give you a hint: the means of production are owned communally.

Nothing to do with ending welfare dependency among Oz blacks....meantime I see you carrying on a debate (above) about communism with another poster.

Real transparent debating...(not)...

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Re: the wrong referendum
Reply #31 - Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:36am

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:29am:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:23am:

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:13am:

The topic is the referendum. If you knew anything at all about this country you would know what that means.

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Communism is a classless system in which the means of production are owned communally and private property is nonexistent or severely curtailed....How is allowing individual groups Like Aborigines to have input into their own lives Communism Freediver....It is actually the complete opposite....Why do you oppose giving Aboriginal people any autonomy Freediver....Are you that self serving and extreme you cannot see any good in anyone you denigrate on a daily basis???

It is explained pretty clearly in the article. I'll give you a hint: the means of production are owned communally.

Where....In Australia what means of production are owned communally....Most means of production are privately owned....How is allowing individual groups Like Aborigines to have input into their own lives Communism Freediver???

Huh

In the article. It is explained very clearly in the article. Why are you criticising it if you haven't read it?

The article is bullshit....Why can't you spell out why it is Communism to give Aboriginal people a say in there lives Freediver....You are deflecting because you cannot support your argument apart from pointing to a racist load of bullshit you wrote....How is allowing individual groups Like Aborigines to have input into their own lives Communism Freediver you keep avoiding the question???

Huh

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Re: the wrong referendum
Reply #32 - Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:42am

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Why can't you spell out why it is Communism

I did. In the article. That's why you are asking the question. I'll give you a hint: the means of production are owned communally. If you want more detail, go back to the bit in the article that talks about the means of production being owned communally.

Why is this so complicated for you?

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Re: the wrong referendum
Reply #33 - Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:58am

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:42am:

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Why can't you spell out why it is Communism

I did. In the article. That's why you are asking the question. I'll give you a hint: the means of production are owned communally. If you want more detail, go back to the bit in the article that talks about the means of production being owned communally.

Why is this so complicated for you?

FD talking about "communism", totally irrelevant in the "wrong referendum" debate ...except in so far as a Job Guarantee established by govt. acting as employer of last resort - as an alternative to maintaining destructive welfare dependency - might be considered as a form of "communism".

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48814 At my desk.	Re: the wrong referendum Reply #34 - Apr 9^th, 2023 at 12:03pm Quote: FD talking about "communism", totally irrelevant in the "wrong referendum" debate Again, if you actually lived in this country, rather than parroting idiotic propaganda at us from your mothers basement on the outskirts of Beijing, you would understand the relevance.
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Re: the wrong referendum
Reply #35 - Apr 9^th, 2023 at 12:14pm

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:42am:

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Why can't you spell out why it is Communism

I did. In the article. That's why you are asking the question. I'll give you a hint: the means of production are owned communally. If you want more detail, go back to the bit in the article that talks about the means of production being owned communally.

Why is this so complicated for you?

Why is it so hard to articulate your argument in a rational way....You could just copy and paste the part of the article that supports your argument....I fail to see what is communist about giving people a Voice???

Huh

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Re: the wrong referendum
Reply #36 - Apr 9^th, 2023 at 12:22pm

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 12:03pm:

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FD talking about "communism", totally irrelevant in the "wrong referendum" debate

Again, if you actually lived in this country, rather than parroting idiotic propaganda at us from your mothers basement on the outskirts of Beijing, you would understand the relevance.

Again, if you had a shred of integrity and honesty, you would debate the issue of enforced welfare dependency, its relationship to the gap, and what to do about it - even under the tricky heading of

the "wrong" referendum

" designed to invalidate a Yes vote......

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Reply #37 - Apr 9^th, 2023 at 12:57pm

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:29am:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:23am:

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:13am:

The topic is the referendum. If you knew anything at all about this country you would know what that means.

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Communism is a classless system in which the means of production are owned communally and private property is nonexistent or severely curtailed....How is allowing individual groups Like Aborigines to have input into their own lives Communism Freediver....It is actually the complete opposite....Why do you oppose giving Aboriginal people any autonomy Freediver....Are you that self serving and extreme you cannot see any good in anyone you denigrate on a daily basis???

It is explained pretty clearly in the article. I'll give you a hint: the means of production are owned communally.

Where....In Australia what means of production are owned communally....Most means of production are privately owned....How is allowing individual groups Like Aborigines to have input into their own lives Communism Freediver???

Huh

In the article. It is explained very clearly in the article. Why are you criticising it if you haven't read it?

Do you have a link to this article besides your homepage Freediver....I see no citations to support the opinions made in the article!!!

Huh

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Re: the wrong referendum
Reply #38 - Apr 9^th, 2023 at 2:02pm

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 12:57pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:29am:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:23am:

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:13am:

The topic is the referendum. If you knew anything at all about this country you would know what that means.

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Communism is a classless system in which the means of production are owned communally and private property is nonexistent or severely curtailed....How is allowing individual groups Like Aborigines to have input into their own lives Communism Freediver....It is actually the complete opposite....Why do you oppose giving Aboriginal people any autonomy Freediver....Are you that self serving and extreme you cannot see any good in anyone you denigrate on a daily basis???

It is explained pretty clearly in the article. I'll give you a hint: the means of production are owned communally.

Where....In Australia what means of production are owned communally....Most means of production are privately owned....How is allowing individual groups Like Aborigines to have input into their own lives Communism Freediver???

Huh

In the article. It is explained very clearly in the article. Why are you criticising it if you haven't read it?

Do you have a link to this article besides your homepage Freediver....I see no citations to support the opinions made in the article!!!

Huh

Have you figured out what "the means of production are owned communally" means yet?

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Again, if you had a shred of integrity and honesty, you would debate the issue of enforced welfare dependency

I have, about a dozen times now. It's like talking to a robot. Or a parrot.

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Re: the wrong referendum
Reply #39 - Apr 9^th, 2023 at 2:12pm

FD is online, let's see if (and how) he replies to #36....

edit: after 1 minute, he's still connected...

2nd edit: FD still online for another 5 mins or so,

......but logged out some time after that.. ..and still no reply to#36; his incompetence and fraudulence is egregious.

3rd Edit: just noticed a "reply" (in his post to another person) in which he claims he responded to #36; namely:

"I have, about a dozen times now. It's like talking to a robot or a parrot."

His refusal to address, even once, the issue of 'enforced welfare dependency' (which he agreed was a real thing) is easily seen in the relevant sequence of posts between him and myself, starting in #10.

Once again, FD proves himself to be a straight-out liar (as well as a fraud.... 'FTW') . Deplorable!

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Re: the wrong referendum
Reply #40 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 10:27am

Come on FD, where are you?

You need to prove you are not the most egregious liar on Ozpol, ....starting with post #10 and following the subsequent exchanges until you abandoned the discussion., in #38.

(I know you visted Ozpol yesterday, without replying to your own thread...)

Hey, this is your chance to extract an apology from me, ...after all, being exposed as a liar, as I am asserting, is not a trivial thing.

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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 73854 Gender:	Re: the wrong referendum Reply #41 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 4:22pm Is FD still crying about the voice?
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Re: the wrong referendum
Reply #42 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 4:53pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 4:22pm:

Is FD still crying about the voice? Grin

Are you?

Hey - I've got a good offer for you....... just sign this contract over your home and property and we'll take a vote on it, and once our premise is accepted, we'll sit down with the stakeholder future owners and spend six months working out how we'll divide it up for you.... then we'll just take it all legal, eh?

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Valkie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16104 Central Coast Gender:	Re: the wrong referendum Reply #43 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 5:11pm The real question is Should we stop throwing billions, tens of billions of dollars at a pack of lazy deadbeats who will never amount to anything anyway.
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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 73854 Gender:	Re: the wrong referendum Reply #44 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 5:44pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 4:53pm: Are you? no Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 4:53pm: I've got a good offer for you no thanks, you're to stupid to do deals with
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