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Reply #47 - Jan 17^th, 2024 at 10:11am

Karl Marx to Resign, Ditch Legacy Due to Sexual Misconduct

Doctrine of class conflict and communist internationalism now in dire jeopardy.
December 11, 2017 by Oleg Atbashian

The father of scientific socialism and an inspirational figure to many leading Democrats, Karl Marx has announced that he is resigning as a seminal thinker and is asking all his followers, especially women, to forgive him and forget his doctrine of class conflict and communist internationalism due to allegations of sexual abuse of his female aide and a criminal conspiracy to cover it up.

In his remarks, the author of the Communist Manifesto stated, “This decision is not about me. It’s about the workers of the world. It’s become clear that I can’t both continue to deal with my history of sexual misconduct (some of which I remember differently) and at the same time remain an effective messianic leader of the oppressed in their struggle against capitalist exploitation.”

Marx continued, “As a white cisgendered heterosexual male, I have cheated on my wife, sexually assaulted my subordinate, and otherwise abused my power and privilege to hurt and victimize women. I therefore feel that I no longer have the right, nor the moral authority to defend my philosophy of class victimization, to incite class hatred, provoke violent anti-bourgeois revolutions, and establish proletarian dictatorships.”

The pressure on the leader of the exploited masses to step down has been mounting for days, ever since the New York Times broke the story about how Mr. Marx, a husband and a father of three, sexually exploited his longtime family maid, Helen Demuth. Fearing to lose her job in a volatile capitalist economy, Ms. Demuth yielded to her employer’s sexual harassment. What started as inappropriate touching and groping, soon escalated into what legally amounts to sexual assault in the workplace, which continued daily for years in Mr. Marx’s home, where Mrs. Marx and their daughters also resided.

According to The New York Times, the repeated sexual abuse of Ms. Demuth by her employer, compounded by the unavailability of women’s health services, resulted in the birth of a male child. Fearing that this would destroy his reputation of a rebel against bourgeois morals, Karl Marx organized a conspiracy to cover up both the affair and the baby. His co-conspirators were his close friend and collaborator Friedrich Engels and Ms. Demuth – a powerless victim who was intimidated into silence by the men in positions of power.

The conspiracy involved abandoning the child, Freddy Demuth, who ended up being one of the many fatherless inner-city clients of foster care. Upon discovering the truth, Karl Marx’s wife, Jenny Marx, committed suicide. Their daughter, Laura, killed herself several years later.

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Reply #48 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:32pm

The people who think of themselves as ‘woke’ are the enemies of freedom.

The sort of freedom I am talking about is what Os Guiness calls ‘soul freedom’ (in his book The Global Public Square, IVP Books, 2013). By ‘soul freedom’ he means, ‘freedom of thought, freedom of conscience, and freedom of belief’. Do you think the angry protestors at the pro-Palestinian rallies want the rest of us to have those freedoms? Do the trans-activists want us to have those freedoms? Do those people who push ‘cancel culture’ to drive people out of the public square really want everyone to have those freedoms? Of course not! The ‘woke’ are people who believe they should have ‘freedom of thought, freedom of conscience, freedom of belief’ – but that you should not. Because they are right, and you are wrong. More importantly, they think you are morally wrong. You are morally inferior to them. Which means that you have no right to freedom of thought, or freedom of conscience, or freedom of belief. Instead, your freedoms should be taken away, and you should be guided by them. That is why this now tired word ‘woke’ still matters.
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Reply #49 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 11:33pm

Frank wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:32pm:

The people who think of themselves as ‘woke’ are the enemies of freedom.

The sort of freedom I am talking about is what Os Guiness calls ‘soul freedom’ (in his book The Global Public Square, IVP Books, 2013). By ‘soul freedom’ he means, ‘freedom of thought, freedom of conscience, and freedom of belief’. Do you think the angry protestors at the pro-Palestinian rallies want the rest of us to have those freedoms? Do the trans-activists want us to have those freedoms? Do those people who push ‘cancel culture’ to drive people out of the public square really want everyone to have those freedoms? Of course not! The ‘woke’ are people who believe they should have ‘freedom of thought, freedom of conscience, freedom of belief’ – but that you should not. Because they are right, and you are wrong. More importantly, they think you are morally wrong. You are morally inferior to them. Which means that you have no right to freedom of thought, or freedom of conscience, or freedom of belief. Instead, your freedoms should be taken away, and you should be guided by them. That is why this now tired word ‘woke’ still matters.
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The people who think of themselves as ‘woke’

Woke as described by the right is a non existent political tool of the right. Nobody thinks themself as woke by the rights definition.

To the right woke means almost anything they don't like.

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Reply #50 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:28am

"Nobody thinks themself as woke"

Of course not - they think themselves woke by a totally false set of standards and beliefs...... you only need to look here for some such - as regards what Frank was saying - who reach for the high moral ground every time in the absolute belief that they are morally superior and you are their moral inferior, and thus you have no right to speak.

mothra is a classic - always posting empty phrases of moral superiority without addressing issues in any meaningful way... the grab for moral superiority far out-weighs the need for rational discussion and examination of ideas and positions taken.....

Unteachables to the core...

Herr Colonel Dokteur Professor Grappler:- "Hmm - looks like that doctor speaking without the patient or a blood test and such is speaking from her accumulated records in front of him - clearly about mental health issues and substance abuse and memory problems. That must make Deuce feel great - guilty of dismal taste..."

mothra (lettuce leaf in hand):- "Oooo, you brute! You think all women who complain of rape are of the one type, like that one (is that an admission that this patient IS of 'that type'!"

Grappler:- "Let us look at the facts of THIS patient... clearly long term treated for mental health issues and substance abuse to the extent that her records are filled with indications of memory losses and lapses..... hmmm - where does that put Deuce in a complaint made 48 days later and based solely on a half-remembered awakening in mid-stroke .... hmmmm ... just hmmmmm.... yes - his piggy eyes will make him guilty! Guilty of the worst possible taste - well - he looks autistic...."

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Reply #51 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 12:02pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:28am:

"Nobody thinks themself as woke"

Of course not - they think themselves woke by a totally false set of standards and beliefs...... you only need to look here for some such - as regards what Frank was saying - who reach for the high moral ground every time in the absolute belief that they are morally superior and you are their moral inferior, and thus you have no right to speak.

mothra is a classic - always posting empty phrases of moral superiority without addressing issues in any meaningful way... the grab for moral superiority far out-weighs the need for rational discussion and examination of ideas and positions taken.....

Unteachables to the core...

Herr Colonel Dokteur Professor Grappler:- "Hmm - looks like that doctor speaking without the patient or a blood test and such is speaking from her accumulated records in front of him - clearly about mental health issues and substance abuse and memory problems. That must make Deuce feel great - guilty of dismal taste..."

mothra (lettuce leaf in hand):- "Oooo, you brute! You think all women who complain of rape are of the one type, like that one (is that an admission that this patient IS of 'that type'!"

Grappler:- "Let us look at the facts of THIS patient... clearly long term treated for mental health issues and substance abuse to the extent that her records are filled with indications of memory losses and lapses..... hmmm - where does that put Deuce in a complaint made 48 days later and based solely on a half-remembered awakening in mid-stroke .... hmmmm ... just hmmmmm.... yes - his piggy eyes will make him guilty! Guilty of the worst possible taste - well - he looks autistic...."

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as regards what Frank was saying

Do you have a valid comparison.

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Reply #52 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 12:33pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 19^th, 2023 at 2:32pm:

... and ANOTHER one
to add too the LONG list of uneducated right-wing morons
who've never thought to consult Mr Oxford on the correct definition of the word "woke" before putting it to print

SkyTV being the original, uneducated, right-wing morons

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What type of moron are you again?

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Reply #53 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:10pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 10:02pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 20^th, 2023 at 11:49am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 19^th, 2023 at 2:32pm:

... and ANOTHER one
to add too the LONG list of uneducated right-wing morons
who've never thought to consult Mr Oxford on the correct definition of the word "woke" before putting it to print

SkyTV being the original, uneducated, right-wing morons

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For you, having done the three year Bachelor of Indictrination course at uni, you add a little vanity and preening, implying that you, in contrast, are educated.

For starters, I went straight into the workforce, on completing Year 12 of my formal education.
I had no tertiary or university education.
But I never considered or allowed my leaving school to be the end of my broader education experience.
Life - from cradle to grave - is an education

I've learned never to appropriate words from the English language - and give them a new definition to suit my political agenda.

woke

well-informed, up-to-date, alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice.

progressive

in favour of new ideas, modern methods and change

Opposite of retrogressive

(of an action) making a situation worse or returning to how something was in the past.

liberal

willing to understand and respect other people’s behaviour, opinions, etc., especially when they are different from your own; believing people should be able to choose how they behave

Oxford English Dictionary

So if anyone wants to compliment me - as a
woke, liberal, progressive
- I'd be more than flattered

It has long since lost that meaning. And in the main it's change has been bought about by those claiming to be described as such ....

being the exact opposite.

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Reply #55 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:38pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 11:33pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:32pm:

The people who think of themselves as ‘woke’ are the enemies of freedom.

The sort of freedom I am talking about is what Os Guiness calls ‘soul freedom’ (in his book The Global Public Square, IVP Books, 2013). By ‘soul freedom’ he means, ‘freedom of thought, freedom of conscience, and freedom of belief’. Do you think the angry protestors at the pro-Palestinian rallies want the rest of us to have those freedoms? Do the trans-activists want us to have those freedoms? Do those people who push ‘cancel culture’ to drive people out of the public square really want everyone to have those freedoms? Of course not! The ‘woke’ are people who believe they should have ‘freedom of thought, freedom of conscience, freedom of belief’ – but that you should not. Because they are right, and you are wrong. More importantly, they think you are morally wrong. You are morally inferior to them. Which means that you have no right to freedom of thought, or freedom of conscience, or freedom of belief. Instead, your freedoms should be taken away, and you should be guided by them. That is why this now tired word ‘woke’ still matters.
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The people who think of themselves as ‘woke’

Woke as described by the right is a non existent political tool of the right. Nobody thinks themself as woke by the rights definition.

To the right woke means almost anything they don't like.

No ... woke means what it has become because of the actions of those who deem themselves to be woke as described in the dictionary : "aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)"....

they have become the opposite & help none of those groups they purport to be concerned about.

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Reply #56 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 3:21pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 11:33pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:32pm:

The people who think of themselves as ‘woke’ are the enemies of freedom.

The sort of freedom I am talking about is what Os Guiness calls ‘soul freedom’ (in his book The Global Public Square, IVP Books, 2013). By ‘soul freedom’ he means, ‘freedom of thought, freedom of conscience, and freedom of belief’. Do you think the angry protestors at the pro-Palestinian rallies want the rest of us to have those freedoms? Do the trans-activists want us to have those freedoms? Do those people who push ‘cancel culture’ to drive people out of the public square really want everyone to have those freedoms? Of course not! The ‘woke’ are people who believe they should have ‘freedom of thought, freedom of conscience, freedom of belief’ – but that you should not. Because they are right, and you are wrong. More importantly, they think you are morally wrong. You are morally inferior to them. Which means that you have no right to freedom of thought, or freedom of conscience, or freedom of belief. Instead, your freedoms should be taken away, and you should be guided by them. That is why this now tired word ‘woke’ still matters.
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The people who think of themselves as ‘woke’

Woke as described by the right is a non existent political tool of the right. Nobody thinks themself as woke by the rights definition.

To the right woke means almost anything they don't like.

Ducky nonsense.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1678962098/71#71

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Reply #57 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 8:11pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:38pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 11:33pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:32pm:

The people who think of themselves as ‘woke’ are the enemies of freedom.

The sort of freedom I am talking about is what Os Guiness calls ‘soul freedom’ (in his book The Global Public Square, IVP Books, 2013). By ‘soul freedom’ he means, ‘freedom of thought, freedom of conscience, and freedom of belief’. Do you think the angry protestors at the pro-Palestinian rallies want the rest of us to have those freedoms? Do the trans-activists want us to have those freedoms? Do those people who push ‘cancel culture’ to drive people out of the public square really want everyone to have those freedoms? Of course not! The ‘woke’ are people who believe they should have ‘freedom of thought, freedom of conscience, freedom of belief’ – but that you should not. Because they are right, and you are wrong. More importantly, they think you are morally wrong. You are morally inferior to them. Which means that you have no right to freedom of thought, or freedom of conscience, or freedom of belief. Instead, your freedoms should be taken away, and you should be guided by them. That is why this now tired word ‘woke’ still matters.
Kel Richards

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The people who think of themselves as ‘woke’

Woke as described by the right is a non existent political tool of the right. Nobody thinks themself as woke by the rights definition.

To the right woke means almost anything they don't like.

No ... woke means what it has become because of the actions of those who deem themselves to be woke as described in the dictionary : "aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)"....

they have become the opposite & help none of those groups they purport to be concerned about.

Using this definition how does Bud Light, Dr Seuss or the green M&M fit in ? This is what woke means to the right ?

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Reply #58 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 8:13pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 8:11pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:38pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 11:33pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:32pm:

The people who think of themselves as ‘woke’ are the enemies of freedom.

The sort of freedom I am talking about is what Os Guiness calls ‘soul freedom’ (in his book The Global Public Square, IVP Books, 2013). By ‘soul freedom’ he means, ‘freedom of thought, freedom of conscience, and freedom of belief’. Do you think the angry protestors at the pro-Palestinian rallies want the rest of us to have those freedoms? Do the trans-activists want us to have those freedoms? Do those people who push ‘cancel culture’ to drive people out of the public square really want everyone to have those freedoms? Of course not! The ‘woke’ are people who believe they should have ‘freedom of thought, freedom of conscience, freedom of belief’ – but that you should not. Because they are right, and you are wrong. More importantly, they think you are morally wrong. You are morally inferior to them. Which means that you have no right to freedom of thought, or freedom of conscience, or freedom of belief. Instead, your freedoms should be taken away, and you should be guided by them. That is why this now tired word ‘woke’ still matters.
Kel Richards

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The people who think of themselves as ‘woke’

Woke as described by the right is a non existent political tool of the right. Nobody thinks themself as woke by the rights definition.

To the right woke means almost anything they don't like.

No ... woke means what it has become because of the actions of those who deem themselves to be woke as described in the dictionary : "aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)"....

they have become the opposite & help none of those groups they purport to be concerned about.

Using this definition how does Bud Light, Dr Seuss or the green M&M fit in ? This is what woke means to the right ?

Ducky - YOU are woke! Woke up, ducky!

You are a dreadful woke.

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Reply #59 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 8:19pm

Frank wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 8:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 8:11pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:38pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 11:33pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:32pm:

The people who think of themselves as ‘woke’ are the enemies of freedom.

The sort of freedom I am talking about is what Os Guiness calls ‘soul freedom’ (in his book The Global Public Square, IVP Books, 2013). By ‘soul freedom’ he means, ‘freedom of thought, freedom of conscience, and freedom of belief’. Do you think the angry protestors at the pro-Palestinian rallies want the rest of us to have those freedoms? Do the trans-activists want us to have those freedoms? Do those people who push ‘cancel culture’ to drive people out of the public square really want everyone to have those freedoms? Of course not! The ‘woke’ are people who believe they should have ‘freedom of thought, freedom of conscience, freedom of belief’ – but that you should not. Because they are right, and you are wrong. More importantly, they think you are morally wrong. You are morally inferior to them. Which means that you have no right to freedom of thought, or freedom of conscience, or freedom of belief. Instead, your freedoms should be taken away, and you should be guided by them. That is why this now tired word ‘woke’ still matters.
Kel Richards

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The people who think of themselves as ‘woke’

Woke as described by the right is a non existent political tool of the right. Nobody thinks themself as woke by the rights definition.

To the right woke means almost anything they don't like.

No ... woke means what it has become because of the actions of those who deem themselves to be woke as described in the dictionary : "aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)"....

they have become the opposite & help none of those groups they purport to be concerned about.

Using this definition how does Bud Light, Dr Seuss or the green M&M fit in ? This is what woke means to the right ?

Ducky - YOU are woke! Woke up, ducky!

You are a dreadful woke.

Thank You now go back to slept.

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