Where do you find these idiots ?

This guy made up his own strawman definition of equity and then used it to transport to the twilight zone.

The comparison is brilliant imo.

Many examples are given.

To get the point across.

Ajax wrote on Apr 19^th, 2023 at 9:08am:


Didn't see it and very boring not going to watch it again. To me the whole narrative relied on the strawman at the front. without the base it falls over like a house of cards.

Doubt that he or most viewers would recognise a marxist if they tripped over one.

Dnarever wrote on Apr 19^th, 2023 at 9:15am:

Translation - you didn't understand the first thing, no peas were forthcoming so your head stays firmly in sand/up yet Khyber.

Dnarever wrote on Apr 19^th, 2023 at 9:15am:


What was that strawman at the beginning, duckwit? Are you able to say?

buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 19^th, 2023 at 2:32pm:





When progs like you, mothra etc say 'uneducated' you mean un-indoctrinated or brain washed to the degree you are. To your doctrinaire "minds" (if that's the word I want) disagreement or a different view and value system is simply 'uneducated'.

Your proggy forebears in the Soviet would have said 'false consciousness' for the same thing. For you, having done the three year Bachelor of Indictrination course at uni, you add a little vanity and preening, implying that you, in contrast, are educated.
Totally laughable.

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How funny is this:

Who would have believed it possible that in any combination of words the word INCOGNITO would be the only one that the right may actually understand?

Well at least a 20% chance anyway.

Frank wrote on Apr 20^th, 2023 at 11:50am:


This is a definition for equity it can be put several ways with similar meaning.

Equity: the quality of being fair and impartial.
"equity of treatment"


This is what JL said:

Equity - A administered political economy  in which shares are adjusted so that bla bla bla equally.

What JL has done is to present a rather odd definition of a system for . Probably a misrepresentation.

Here is a more accurate definition for social equity:

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He basically made up his own definition of equity and got it wrong or was not talking about equity at all (who knows). This was the building block that his argument was built on. You know what happens to the house when the foundations crumble.


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JL is arguing that this is Marxism ?

Do you agree that being fair just and equitable = Marxism ? When you correct JL's errors this is what you are left with.

Being a Groucho Marxist I cannot say that I agree with him.

Dnarever wrote on Apr 20^th, 2023 at 12:08pm:

So the definition of equity is to be equitable.

Good one.


You quoted JL as saying: "Equity - A administered political economy  in which shares are adjusted so that bla bla bla equally."

So you didn't understand him, don't remember what he said - but since he didnt use you "correct" definition of equity = being equitable, he was talking strawman and so you excused yourself from listening, understanding - but not from dismissing.

Very duckbrained, very you. Thick. Lamo.

Dnarever wrote on Apr 20^th, 2023 at 3:04pm:




You misquoted him ("bla bla bla") because you didn't understand him. He referenced H George Frederickson who was a pioneer in equity theories in public administration. 
You attributed to JL YOUR error of not understanding him or Frederickson because that is the lazy, lame ducky thing to do.

It was not a different and unrelated concept of equity for what JL was talking about. But since you dont understand what he is talking about, you now say that he should have talked about something ELSE, some other use of equity that you imagine you understand but of course you don't.


Lame duckbrain stands.

Frank wrote on Apr 20^th, 2023 at 3:34pm:


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You are doing the same thing, you keep saying equity but you are both talking about "social equity" - it isn't the same thing. It has a different definition.

Yes H George Frederickson had some idea on "social equity". He defined it poorly.

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He said he was going to define equity - he didn't he was commenting on what Tom said about equity. We don't know what Tom said but assuming that Tom had referred to equity and not "social equity" it is almost certain that Tom was not talking about the same subject as James.

No matter how you look at it James defined the word equity and got it wrong. He went on to base his argument on this failure.

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The bla bla bla was just to shortcut to typing all the words. I assumed that you would know what they were. My bad there for assuming some intelligence at your end.

Frank wrote on Apr 20^th, 2023 at 11:49am:

When you've located YOUR copy of Mr Dictionary,
you might want to look up

"PROGRESS"

,
as practiced by us

"PROGRESSIVES"

Or perhaps you're content to remain a

"REGRESSIVE"

?

..

Frank wrote on Apr 20^th, 2023 at 11:49am:




For starters, I went straight into the workforce, on completing Year 12 of my formal education.
I had no tertiary or university education.
But I never considered or allowed my leaving school to be the end of my broader education experience.
Life - from cradle to grave - is an education

I've learned never to appropriate words from the English language - and give them a new definition to suit my political agenda.







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Frank wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 10:24pm:


Gay or not, he's right.

But trust you to attempt to conduct an 'argument' from the gutter.

Kat wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 4:30pm:


WOKE is even strangling the gays LOL.



"Trans Ideology is the New Homophobia" - Arielle Scarcella

Woke = An excuse for having no policies, direction or idea.

Dnarever wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 3:43pm:



This guy believes he’s a 6 year old girl.

This is progress. No wait - regress.
No, wait, its liberal

willing to understand and respect other people’s behaviour, opinions, etc., especially when they are different from your own; believing people should be able to choose how they behave

Oh, yes.

If transwomen are women then old blokes are 6 year old girls. Coz all there is to being a 6 year old girl is to DECLARE, with a bow in your hair, that you are one and play with a doll's house. It is woke, it is polite and sensitive to treat old bloke as a 6 year old girl. Anything else is hate.


https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1650143426086858753

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 4:50pm:



No, no, no, that's  not the EDUCATED, woke, pwogwessive and liberal answer.
https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1681804724/25#25

Carlson makes an important point.
Woke is religious, not political. Certainly not rational.

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1650299174066216961

Full keynote

https://www.youtube.com/live/ebG2POkoHgU?feature=share

Frank wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 4:39pm:


Frank you normally have something that isn't just insults. not much but something.

Why not get back to something serious like crying about the green M&M or burning some books.

That's enough duckyfruckery nonsense.

At the height of the student protests in Melbourne, sixteen-year-old schoolgirl Ivy Bertram appeared on The Project to discuss her decision to help organise the pro-Palestinian rally. As Miss Bertram, an expert on Gaza and geo-politics, delivered pearl after pearl of wisdom, Mr Ali and his fellow hosts nodded in deference at the insight being proffered by this modern-day oracle of Delphi. Unfortunately, this new breed of political commentator currently gracing our screens typifies everything that is wrong with the education system in this country.

There is no doubt that Miss Bertram is simply repeating what she has been told by her teachers at school. But who is teaching the teachers, and what are they being taught at university? The Institute of Public Affair’s latest report, Who Teaches the Teachers? An Audit of Teaching Degrees at Australian Universities, answers these questions and confirms what we have long suspected: our education faculties have been completely beguiled by the forces of wokery, woke activism is deeply and irrevocably embedded into teacher training and universities are churning out legions of woke activist teachers.

Instead of being taught how to master core academic curricula such as reading, writing, mathematics, history and science, the report reveals that teachers are being trained by their university lecturers to be experts in critical social justice, identity politics, critical race theory, radical gender theory, social and emotional learning, and sustainability. Of the 3,713 subjects taught across 37 universities that offer teaching degrees, 1,169 are classified as woke, or as critical social justice. In contrast, a meagre 371 are devoted to teaching phonics, mathematics and grammar. It’s a wonder that children are able to spell ‘Climate Justice’ on their protest banners.’

Critical social justice and the accompanying theories now entrenched in Australian universities were pioneered by Brazilian Marxist educator Paulo Freire (1921-1977) as a theory of teaching known as ‘critical pedagogy’. Built on Marxist foundations, this sought to turn children into politically conscious participants in a perpetual revolution. Tellingly, Freire’s other heroes were Friedrich Hegel, Vladimir Lenin, Mao Zedong, Fidel Castro and Che Guevara.

By the early 1990s, Freire’s ideas were added to by the social theorists in North American universities who introduced critical race theory and post-colonial theory into the mix. The influence of Freire and his disciples on the teaching landscape in Australia has been far-reaching and profound. He even came to this country in 1974, giving lectures on ‘authority and authoritarianism, conscientisation (critical awareness), violence, class struggle and illusions of neutrality’. Freire’s audience clearly tuned out while he was talking about illusions of neutrality.

As recently as 2021, the Brazilian Marxist was being lauded as ‘one of the most important thinkers of the twentieth century’ by Australian academics at a conference held at the University of South Australia.

Critical social justice requires teachers to be agents of change, a message which is drummed into them throughout their four-year degrees. At Monash University, a student taking ‘Theorising Social Justice’ is told that the unit ‘aims to develop in you a strong grasp of the concept of “cognitive justice”, and the associated notions of “epistemic” and “epistemological” justice which will support you to engage with and give value to, the diversity of thought and different “ways of knowing” that can be applied to the pursuit of social justice in local, national, and international contexts, in educational settings and beyond’.

It also teaches them to approach Aboriginal education through the lens of critical race theory and post-colonial theory. At the University of Melbourne, Masters students ‘will engage in critical discussions and activities that enable them to reflect on the impacts of settler colonialism, racism and unexamined bias on First Nations educational sovereignties as well as build their understanding and awareness of Indigenous knowledges and strategies for working towards decolonisation’.

In extreme cases, such as ‘Rethinking Indigenous Education’ offered by Macquarie University, students are not only taught that all Western knowledge must be decolonised, but that they must also be proficient in ‘abolitionist, futurist and Indigenist thinking’. Those taking ‘Leadership in Indigenous Education’ at the University of Canberra are being taught to monitor the ‘attitudes, beliefs and behaviours of other educators around them’. There must be no wrong think in the classroom!

Clymat Justus ....  Climbit Justis (why did Sir Edmund Hilary climb Everest.... because it was there = climb it - just is) .... buggar ... gotta get this ryght - four the sines at the demo ....gonna need for or is it siks?

Clydmate Justas..... hey Clyde.... watcha reccin?

Doctrine of class conflict and communist internationalism now in dire jeopardy.
December 11, 2017 by Oleg Atbashian

The father of scientific socialism and an inspirational figure to many leading Democrats, Karl Marx has announced that he is resigning as a seminal thinker and is asking all his followers, especially women, to forgive him and forget his doctrine of class conflict and communist internationalism due to allegations of sexual abuse of his female aide and a criminal conspiracy to cover it up.

In his remarks, the author of the Communist Manifesto stated, “This decision is not about me. It’s about the workers of the world. It’s become clear that I can’t both continue to deal with my history of sexual misconduct (some of which I remember differently) and at the same time remain an effective messianic leader of the oppressed in their struggle against capitalist exploitation.”

Marx continued, “As a white cisgendered heterosexual male, I have cheated on my wife, sexually assaulted my subordinate, and otherwise abused my power and privilege to hurt and victimize women. I therefore feel that I no longer have the right, nor the moral authority to defend my philosophy of class victimization, to incite class hatred, provoke violent anti-bourgeois revolutions, and establish proletarian dictatorships.”

The pressure on the leader of the exploited masses to step down has been mounting for days, ever since the New York Times broke the story about how Mr. Marx, a husband and a father of three, sexually exploited his longtime family maid, Helen Demuth. Fearing to lose her job in a volatile capitalist economy, Ms. Demuth yielded to her employer’s sexual harassment. What started as inappropriate touching and groping, soon escalated into what legally amounts to sexual assault in the workplace, which continued daily for years in Mr. Marx’s home, where Mrs. Marx and their daughters also resided.

According to The New York Times, the repeated sexual abuse of Ms. Demuth by her employer, compounded by the unavailability of women’s health services, resulted in the birth of a male child. Fearing that this would destroy his reputation of a rebel against bourgeois morals, Karl Marx organized a conspiracy to cover up both the affair and the baby. His co-conspirators were his close friend and collaborator Friedrich Engels and Ms. Demuth – a powerless victim who was intimidated into silence by the men in positions of power.

The conspiracy involved abandoning the child, Freddy Demuth, who ended up being one of the many fatherless inner-city clients of foster care. Upon discovering the truth, Karl Marx’s wife, Jenny Marx, committed suicide. Their daughter, Laura, killed herself several years later.

Frank wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:32pm:


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Woke as described by the right is a non existent political tool of the right. Nobody thinks themself as woke by the rights definition.

To the right woke means almost anything they don't like.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:28am:


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Do you have a valid comparison.

buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 10:02pm:



It has long since lost that meaning. And in the main it's change has been bought about by those claiming to be described as such ....

being the exact opposite.

Dnarever wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 11:33pm:



No ... woke means what it has become because of the actions of those who deem themselves to be woke as described in the dictionary : "aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)"....

they have become the opposite & help none of those groups they purport to be concerned about.

Gnads wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:38pm:


Using this definition how does Bud Light, Dr Seuss or the green M&M fit in ? This is what woke means to the right ?

Frank wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 8:13pm:


Thank You now go back to slept.

Time the Silenced Majority spoke up... just vote quietly .... slip the knife in without sound...

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 1:32pm:


Many people who say this identify with MAGA the loudest minority.

Dnarever wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 7:24pm:



Maybe so - but they are still Silenced.... just biding their time....

Frank wrote on Apr 20^th, 2023 at 11:49am:












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WOKE, mah man - is bein' ALIVE to the harsh realities an' the rip-offs of Dah Man, whose guv'mint is filled wit' dem Wharte Cracka mofockers to beat down on da poor and da disadvantaged an specially on da BLACK MAN, brudda!  But we's lettin' The Man know we's onto him an' his slavery an' time is comin' fo' Dat Revolution, mah man... Black folks is goin' rise up an' take their rightful place, brudda.... now gimme five!!  Ah said FIVE, Mofocka.. not SIX!  You inbred or somethin'?  OH - you from ALABAMA - well dat explain it raght dere... all dat cotton an' pesticide an' stuff da Wharte Man use ta kill off da Black Man and da Indians  .... so gimme six raght here, brudda!

WOKE is gettin' down on da dudes wit' you brothas... takin' a stand..



https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEB5368B522B81594

Frank wrote on Apr 20^th, 2023 at 11:49am:





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Frank wrote on Sep 8^th, 2024 at 2:22pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 8^th, 2024 at 4:24pm:

Change worship is mindless. But unthinking, right-on pwogs like you just worship change - destruction.

Not all change is for the better.

You know personally I’ve been achingly specific about my critiques of social justice politics, but fine - no woke, it’s a “dogwhistle” for racism. (The term “dogwhistle” is a way for people to simply impute attitudes you don’t hold onto you, to make it easier to dismiss criticism, for the record.) But the same people say there’s no such thing as political correctness, and they also say identity politics is a bigoted term. So I’m kind of at a loss. Also, they propose sweeping changes to K-12 curricula, but you can’t call it CRT, even though the curricular documents specifically reference CRT, and if you do you’re an idiot and also you’re a racist cryptofascist. Also nobody (nobody!) ever advocated for defunding the police, and if they did it didn’t actually mean defunding the police. Seems to be a real resistance to simple, comprehensible terms around here. Serwer is a guy who constantly demands that he and his allies be allowed to do politics on easy mode, but he’s just part of a broader communal rejection of basic self-definition and comprehensible terms for this political tendency. Also if you say things they don’t like they might try to beat you up. Emphasis on try.

If you ask these people, are you part of a social revolution?, they’ll loudly tell you yes! Yes they are! They’re going to shake society at its very foundations. Well, OK then -what do I call your movement? You reject every name that organically develops! I’ll use the name you pick, but you have to actually pick one. You can’t just bitch on Twitter every time someone tries to describe your political cohort, which again you yourself say intends to change the world. Name yourself or you will be named.
https://web.archive.org/web/20211108155321/https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/...

Dnarever wrote on Nov 30^th, 2024 at 7:45pm:

Please Just ****ing Tell Me What Term I Am Allowed to Use for the Sweeping Social and Political Changes You Demand