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Support for the Voice to Parliament has fallen
Apr 21^st, 2023 at 10:15am

Support for the Voice to Parliament has fallen across all six states, with a new poll suggesting two jurisdictions showing a majority would vote 'no' at the referendum later this year.

Support for the Voice to Parliament has fallen across all six Australian states, with only one jurisdiction showing a majority would vote 'Yes' in the referendum. April 21, 2023 - 7:18AM Support for the Voice to Parliament has fallen across all six Australian states, with only one jurisdiction showing a majority would vote"Yes" in the referendum.

New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia and Tasmania recorded single to double figure falls, according to the Roy Morgan poll.

The largest drop in support was in Tasmania, with backing for the independent advisory body falling a massive 30 points down to 38 per cent. The lowest dip was in Victoria where a three per cent fall was reported.

Support for the Voice to Parliament has fallen across all six states, with two jurisdictions showing a majority would vote"No", according to a new poll. Picture: Matt Jelonek/Getty Images The survey also suggested if Australians were to cast their vote in the referendum today, only one state would vote in majority to support the Voice. headtopics.com

Victoria is the only jurisdiction with more than 50 per cent of its respondents backing the body, which would advise parliament and federal government on Indigenous policy.

https://headtopics.com/au/two-states-firmly-oppose-voice-as-support-drops-across...

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 139312 Gender:	Re: Support for the Voice to Parliament has fallen Reply #1 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 10:26am If true, why do you think that is?
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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85255 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Support for the Voice to Parliament has fallen Reply #2 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 11:17am Couldn't fall much lower out in the real community where the real people are.
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Reply #3 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 11:18am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 10:26am:

If true, why do you think that is?

Because it's the most mindless, unthinking, useless idea anyone has ever come up with and people are starting to wake up and think, though that must make their heads ache.

Yeah - well - you just can't help Victorians.... those cafe sidewalk WOPS have never seen any of the Outback etc and have no idea WTF they are voting for, hill peasants that they are in mud huts ... do all the Chinese voters around Rhodes etc have a single idea WTF they are voting for in this referendum? Apart from some mystical belief in a Party or something.....?

Now you see the fruits of mass immigration from totally different countries... they have zero idea of this country and its real issues and yet they have a vote .....

That needs to change as well. I don't see St Julia of the Gillard being part of Asia while jet-setting the world on our cash and preaching to silly young girls how wonderful they are compared to those stupid boys etc.... FFS.... madness is running the show and has been for forty years now.

Sisters etc are all doing it for themselves inside the buildings and social structures etc built by Old White Men.... without whom their 'advantages' would be next to zero.....

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 47777 Gender:	Re: Support for the Voice to Parliament has fallen Reply #4 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 11:29am People are beginning to see the cloven hoof and dagger under the cloak.
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Re: Support for the Voice to Parliament has fallen
Reply #5 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 11:46am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 10:26am:

If true, why do you think that is?

One of the most obvious should be: who will be appointed to a 'voice committee'?

People whose claim to Aboriginal ancestry is up to 8 times less than their claim to, say, British/other European ancestry? They will then claim the right to speak for the (non-existent) 'aboriginal people'.

And what will be their demands? Money and power.

No one can claim to have better answers to the irreconcilable and vast sociocultural differences between Aboriginal peoples, those peoples, and other peoples of Australia than can be delivered via legislation.

The 'voice' is a cynically puerile answer that attempts to satisfy the socially and politically naive.

I'd bet even Labour want the Yes vote to fail.

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Reply #6 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 4:43pm

The truth about the effects of ethnic, cultural, social, religious, and political differences within human societies creates outcomes greater than what we have in common - why else have war and genocide been a constant threat throughout human history?

These vast differences are possibly as potent in their effects as subspecies differences - e.g. the differences between homo-sapiens and homo-neanderthal.

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Reply #7 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 4:55pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 11:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 10:26am:

If true, why do you think that is?

One of the most obvious should be: who will be appointed to a 'voice committee'?

People whose claim to Aboriginal ancestry is up to 8 times less than their claim to, say, British/other European ancestry? They will then claim the right to speak for the (non-existent) 'aboriginal people'.

And what will be their demands? Money and power.

No one can claim to have better answers to the irreconcilable and vast sociocultural differences between Aboriginal peoples, those peoples, and other peoples of Australia than can be delivered via legislation.

The 'voice' is a cynically puerile answer that attempts to satisfy the socially and politically naive.

I'd bet even Labour want the Yes vote to fail.

So your answer is 'confusion'?

Uncertainty?

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Reply #8 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 5:30pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 4:55pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 11:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 10:26am:

If true, why do you think that is?

One of the most obvious should be: who will be appointed to a 'voice committee'?

People whose claim to Aboriginal ancestry is up to 8 times less than their claim to, say, British/other European ancestry? They will then claim the right to speak for the (non-existent) 'aboriginal people'.

And what will be their demands? Money and power.

No one can claim to have better answers to the irreconcilable and vast sociocultural differences between Aboriginal peoples, those peoples, and other peoples of Australia than can be delivered via legislation.

The 'voice' is a cynically puerile answer that attempts to satisfy the socially and politically naive.

I'd bet even Labour want the Yes vote to fail.

So your answer is 'confusion'?

Uncertainty?

My answer is that most of those who claim to speak for the 'Aboriginal people' are frauds.

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Reply #9 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:04pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 5:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 4:55pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 11:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 10:26am:

If true, why do you think that is?

One of the most obvious should be: who will be appointed to a 'voice committee'?

People whose claim to Aboriginal ancestry is up to 8 times less than their claim to, say, British/other European ancestry? They will then claim the right to speak for the (non-existent) 'aboriginal people'.

And what will be their demands? Money and power.

No one can claim to have better answers to the irreconcilable and vast sociocultural differences between Aboriginal peoples, those peoples, and other peoples of Australia than can be delivered via legislation.

The 'voice' is a cynically puerile answer that attempts to satisfy the socially and politically naive.

I'd bet even Labour want the Yes vote to fail.

So your answer is 'confusion'?

Uncertainty?

My answer is that most of those who claim to speak for the 'Aboriginal people' are frauds.

Two question to that

1. How is that different from the frauds who claim to speak for us in Canberra?

2. Even if that were the case that that was how people felt, is the solution to do nothing and have zero representation?

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Re: Support for the Voice to Parliament has fallen
Reply #10 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:09pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:04pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 5:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 4:55pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 11:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 10:26am:

If true, why do you think that is?

One of the most obvious should be: who will be appointed to a 'voice committee'?

People whose claim to Aboriginal ancestry is up to 8 times less than their claim to, say, British/other European ancestry? They will then claim the right to speak for the (non-existent) 'aboriginal people'.

And what will be their demands? Money and power.

No one can claim to have better answers to the irreconcilable and vast sociocultural differences between Aboriginal peoples, those peoples, and other peoples of Australia than can be delivered via legislation.

The 'voice' is a cynically puerile answer that attempts to satisfy the socially and politically naive.

I'd bet even Labour want the Yes vote to fail.

So your answer is 'confusion'?

Uncertainty?

My answer is that most of those who claim to speak for the 'Aboriginal people' are frauds.

Two question to that

1. How is that different from the frauds who claim to speak for us in Canberra?

2. Even if that were the case that that was how people felt, is the solution to do nothing and have zero representation?

No 1 is whataboutism.

No 2, what do you mean by zero representation? Has Mabo not changed the face of Australia regarding just Aboriginal rights to land and destiny?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49402 At my desk.	Re: Support for the Voice to Parliament has fallen Reply #11 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:23pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 10:26am: If true, why do you think that is? People have thought about it. It seems like a nice idea, until you think about it.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75137 Gender:	Re: Support for the Voice to Parliament has fallen Reply #12 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:24pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:09pm: No 1 is whataboutism. giving that answer is deflection
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75137 Gender:	Re: Support for the Voice to Parliament has fallen Reply #13 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:25pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:09pm: No 2, what do you mean by zero representation? Has Mabo not changed the face of Australia regarding just Aboriginal rights to land and destiny? mabo isn't about representation, it's about legally recognizing that Australia wasn't 'Terra Nullis'.
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Reply #14 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:26pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:04pm:

Two question to that

1. How is that different from the frauds who claim to speak for us in Canberra?

2. Even if that were the case that that was how people felt, is the solution to do nothing and have zero representation?

Cheeses, you ard EVEN THICKER than I though - and I thought you were thick as **** mince in concrete between several short planks.

1. Frauds in Canberra pretend to speak for us.

2. SOOOO let's have designated Aboriginal frauds speak for Abos in Canberra (however you might define Abos) to frauds in Canberra representing everyone else (1 above).

Even Bbwian stops short half the time from spelling out just how stupid he is, content to tut tut and eyeroll suggestively.
Not you, cazzo, you rush in to make sure nobody misunderstands just how proud you are of your fat head.
A spectacle. You like that. It's your idea of "bella figura", Plankers.

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