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Re: Support for the Voice to Parliament has fallen
Reply #15 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:30pm

Frank wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:26pm:

1. Frauds in Canberra pretend to speak for us.

so you can have your frauds and they can't? Very racist of you sore end

Frank wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:26pm:

2. SOOOO let's have designated Aboriginal frauds speak for Abos in Canberra (however you might define Abos) to frauds in Canberra representing everyone else (1 above).

to many bigots who ignore everything the aborigines say

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Reply #16 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:30pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:25pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:09pm:

No 2, what do you mean by zero representation? Has Mabo not changed the face of Australia regarding just Aboriginal rights to land and destiny?

mabo isn't about representation, it's about legally recognizing that Australia wasn't 'Terra Nullis'.

Terra nullius doesn't mean what you "think" (I am overestimating you here), thicko.

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Reply #17 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:42pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:09pm:

No 1 is whataboutism.

giving that answer is deflection

No. Some politicians may be deceptive in their intent until you understand the work that it takes to succeed as a politician.

But to risk handing power and resources over to those who have less claim to being aboriginal than you have to be Italian?

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Reply #18 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:50pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:25pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:09pm:

No 2, what do you mean by zero representation? Has Mabo not changed the face of Australia regarding just Aboriginal rights to land and destiny?

mabo isn't about representation, it's about legally recognizing that Australia wasn't 'Terra Nullis'.

Terra Nullius was an assessment made to define that there was no government or body that spoke for or represented the people of what turned out to be a continent inhabited by peoples who had less knowledge of each other than the explorers' had.

It did not mean that no humans existed in Terra Australis.

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Reply #19 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 7:27pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:04pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 5:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 4:55pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 11:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 10:26am:

If true, why do you think that is?

One of the most obvious should be: who will be appointed to a 'voice committee'?

People whose claim to Aboriginal ancestry is up to 8 times less than their claim to, say, British/other European ancestry? They will then claim the right to speak for the (non-existent) 'aboriginal people'.

And what will be their demands? Money and power.

No one can claim to have better answers to the irreconcilable and vast sociocultural differences between Aboriginal peoples, those peoples, and other peoples of Australia than can be delivered via legislation.

The 'voice' is a cynically puerile answer that attempts to satisfy the socially and politically naive.

I'd bet even Labour want the Yes vote to fail.

So your answer is 'confusion'?

Uncertainty?

My answer is that most of those who claim to speak for the 'Aboriginal people' are frauds.

Two question to that

1. How is that different from the frauds who claim to speak for us in Canberra?

2. Even if that were the case that that was how people felt, is the solution to do nothing and have zero representation?

Re: you question 2 ..... it's an absolute lie that in the last 60 years that nothing has been done.

Shyteloads have been done, billions of dollars thrown at the issue & still it fails.

Who the

f

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do you blame for that?

Oh that's right ... white people. Where all the money came from.

You are the epitome of a clueless wanker.

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Reply #20 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 7:36pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 5:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 4:55pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 11:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 10:26am:

If true, why do you think that is?

One of the most obvious should be: who will be appointed to a 'voice committee'?

People whose claim to Aboriginal ancestry is up to 8 times less than their claim to, say, British/other European ancestry? They will then claim the right to speak for the (non-existent) 'aboriginal people'.

And what will be their demands? Money and power.

No one can claim to have better answers to the irreconcilable and vast sociocultural differences between Aboriginal peoples, those peoples, and other peoples of Australia than can be delivered via legislation.

The 'voice' is a cynically puerile answer that attempts to satisfy the socially and politically naive.

I'd bet even Labour want the Yes vote to fail.

So your answer is 'confusion'?

Uncertainty?

My answer is that most of those who claim to speak for the 'Aboriginal people' are frauds.

I know, right? Our resident old boy and giggler claims he's speaking on behalf of the "Aboriginal people".

He used to like Danish. Now he's a fan of the Boongs.

Always absolutely never ever, innit.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96560	Re: Support for the Voice to Parliament has fallen Reply #21 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 7:41pm freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:23pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 10:26am: If true, why do you think that is? People have thought about it. It seems like a nice idea, until you think about it. So does raping Muslims with a cactus.
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Re: Support for the Voice to Parliament has fallen
Reply #22 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 7:42pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 7:36pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 5:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 4:55pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 11:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 10:26am:

If true, why do you think that is?

One of the most obvious should be: who will be appointed to a 'voice committee'?

People whose claim to Aboriginal ancestry is up to 8 times less than their claim to, say, British/other European ancestry? They will then claim the right to speak for the (non-existent) 'aboriginal people'.

And what will be their demands? Money and power.

No one can claim to have better answers to the irreconcilable and vast sociocultural differences between Aboriginal peoples, those peoples, and other peoples of Australia than can be delivered via legislation.

The 'voice' is a cynically puerile answer that attempts to satisfy the socially and politically naive.

I'd bet even Labour want the Yes vote to fail.

So your answer is 'confusion'?

Uncertainty?

My answer is that most of those who claim to speak for the 'Aboriginal people' are frauds.

I know, right? Our resident old boy and giggler claims he's speaking on behalf of the "Aboriginal people".

He used to like Danish. Now he's a fan of the Boongs.

Always absolutely never ever, innit.

Change hands before you get RSI ...yes? Roll Eyes

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Re: Support for the Voice to Parliament has fallen
Reply #23 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 8:30pm

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 10:26am:

If true, why do you think that is?

People have thought about it. It seems like a nice idea, until you think about it.

The only people who still support it either stand to benefit financially from it, haven't thought about it much, or like Greg and John, have no principles or moral compass to judge it on.

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Reply #24 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 8:32pm

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 8:30pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 10:26am:

If true, why do you think that is?

People have thought about it. It seems like a nice idea, until you think about it.

The only people who still support it either stand to benefit financially from it, haven't thought about it much, or like Greg and John, have no principles or moral compass to judge it on.

If the 'Yes' vote succeeds, how do you think your life will be adversely affected?

By the way, I have not at any point expressed my support for either a 'Yes' or 'No' vote.

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Reply #25 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 8:34pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 8:32pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 8:30pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 10:26am:

If true, why do you think that is?

People have thought about it. It seems like a nice idea, until you think about it.

The only people who still support it either stand to benefit financially from it, haven't thought about it much, or like Greg and John, have no principles or moral compass to judge it on.

If the 'Yes' vote succeeds, how do you think your life will be adversely affected?

Good point Greg. But I think that one fits in the third category, which I already placed you in. People with no principles or moral compass to judge it on. They don't always act out of pure self interest. Some are just crazy.

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Reply #26 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 8:36pm

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 8:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 8:32pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 8:30pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 10:26am:

If true, why do you think that is?

People have thought about it. It seems like a nice idea, until you think about it.

The only people who still support it either stand to benefit financially from it, haven't thought about it much, or like Greg and John, have no principles or moral compass to judge it on.

If the 'Yes' vote succeeds, how do you think your life will be adversely affected?

Good point Greg. But I think that one fits in the third category, which I already placed you in. People with no principles or moral compass to judge it on. They don't always act out of pure self interest. Some are just crazy.

What's your answer?

And, I have not at any point expressed my support for either a 'Yes' or 'No' vote.

Why do you assume I'll vote 'Yes'?

I'm curious.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106867 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Support for the Voice to Parliament has fallen Reply #27 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 8:36pm Lisping Albo will look very stupid when he loses the voice vote.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139514 Gender:	Re: Support for the Voice to Parliament has fallen Reply #28 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 8:38pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 8:36pm: Lisping Albo will look very stupid when he loses the voice vote. What do you think will happen?
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Reply #29 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 8:39pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:25pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:09pm:

No 2, what do you mean by zero representation? Has Mabo not changed the face of Australia regarding just Aboriginal rights to land and destiny?

mabo isn't about representation, it's about legally recognizing that Australia wasn't 'Terra Nullis'.

Terra Nullius was an assessment made to define that there was no government or body that spoke for or represented the people of what turned out to be a continent inhabited by peoples who had less knowledge of each other than the explorers' had.

It did not mean that no humans existed in Terra Australis.

Ironically...you have that right. The Brits never considered any 'humans' were here. After all....the Aboriginals were considered part of flora and fauna and were persona non grata for how long?

Come on.

Shake the prejudice off.

Not one damn thing will change in anyone's day to day life, but way overdue Constitutional acknowledgement will be finally. given.

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