AND... as for recognition being symbolic - that's all it can ever be, given that every rule under the sun has changed since 1787 and no small group can any longer claim huge swathes of land simply because they walked across it at some time.

There is no way any country with any brain at all would simply hand over anything demanded by a small minority - well revolutionary Russia may have done so at the point of a gun, but I wouldn't try that here...

It is for this reason that every land claim must be severely limited in size to suit the current percentage of the claimant group to the general population and not just be some open-ended thing based on 1787, and decided upon by back-room primarily sheila public servants who've been raised in the cities, received their fancy arts degrees there, work there, and haven't so much as set foot on the ground apart from a five minute obligatory tour to check out their fiefdom ready to give away without consultation with the general populace.

How many of those fat sheilas in capital cities, drinking their latte's at lunch in the sidewalk cafes, drawing the huge and unnecessary salaries and perks and aggrandising themselves as the new ruling elite ruling over everyone else, has ever actually climbed one of our National Park mountains or walked a National Park?

Will the good people of Queensland toss the Pale Assed Chick government out for all the sht going down up there to suit tiny whining minorities who make outlandish claims of spiritual things in rocks?  and where will they turn given the history of turkey governments they've had there?  Who will have the balls to come forward and clear out and drain the swamps and set things back on course with equal rights to free use of public lands etc for all and genuine equal rights to have a say in issues that are being decided behind closed doors in sheila-run public service offices advising the government what they can g et away with and knowing that nobody else affected has the cash to fight it?

Will it take the utter disaster of a voice insanity to finally make Australia wake up that it's now the 21st century and the 1787 rules of ownership by conquest and enforcement no longer apply, and that their governments respective have been leading us all down the garden path for decades now without let or interference?

First stop the voice then bring your governments and their agencies to heel.  No closures, no giftings, no nothing without the consent of the people in a referendum.  You reckon that costs too much, Ms Government Man of Today?  Then don't go there at all in the first place - your rights stop at the village gates....

Aussie wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 8:39pm:


That's a bs myth ....they were never considered flora or fauna.

Why don't you swat up a bit shyster?

https://dictionaryofsydney.org/entry/governor_phillip_and_the_eora

It is not merely Constitutional acknowledgement & you know that.

It's a Constitutional amendment to enshrine another "body" of representation to Govt based on race.

The Constitution is for "all" Australians as it stands - not for specifically catering to one racial identity out of a feeling of guilt & wanting to feel better about yourself.

Pure emotion without thought or substance.

 

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 11:22pm:


The voice is toxic. And racist. The "debate" has been a bit slow to catch up. Perhaps people just got sick of waiting to find out exactly what they would be voting for.

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The very first poll I saw showed the referendum failing.

Boris wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 7:41am:


Not only that, but even legislating for any department or departments to not have to heed the voice will itself give rise to court problems.

How is it possible to provide 'equal treatment' in the narrow sphere of the Indigenous voice 'right' to advise, wnen some departments etc are excluded by legislation?

No, thanks - just another problem just over the horizon....

Could someone give me a list of those countries outside of Australia that actually consider this voice a good idea?  Would make an interesting list, methinks.

Let's see now - New Zealand!!                    

https://twitter.com/actionforalice/status/1649639640230678531

Welcome to The Territory mate

2pm
In the beautiful spot of Adelaide River - eye witness

I wanted to share a post with you.
Not related to Alice but still sad.

I’m currently moving up to the NT and so far it’s been a great experience. Everyone’s been lovely but I’ve been avoiding certain areas.

I just pulled up in Adelaide river, people there with there kids having something to eat
Minding there own business,
a car pulls up with 8 people in it, no number plate with mental written on the side of it.
Next minute they drive up the street at speed and start smashing everyone’s cars with metal pipes including a school bus. They drive back up yelling at everyone and threw a
Metal pipe at a women and child and swerve at the bus driver who was trying to stop them smashing up his bus. Pricks also got my car when they through a metal pole out.

Absolutely crazy man,
no care in the world.

Legit I jumped in my car took off

Attack lasted approximately 3 minutes then they drove off

I’m from Victoria and just accepted a job up here so I have no idea, I stayed in Alice two night ago

I just thought I’d share I’m in shock I’ve never seen anything like that and I’m a paramedic

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2023 at 1:23pm:

Like your military service, innit.

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i'm under the impression most show it winning. i think it will win. there is not enough boomers and old people/genuine racists left in australia for it to lose. it is basically a referendum on whether somebody thinks abos are good or not, you need to understand that is what people are voting on. most people are not going to vote that they don't like abos. if more people had direct contact w/ them it could lose but most australians have not.

JC Denton wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2023 at 2:44pm:


The March 2023 essential poll showed 51% opposition and 49% support in QLD. That's a fail.

https://essentialreport.com.au/reports/21-march-2023

This month, Roy Morgan showed 2 states voting no:

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/majority-of-voters-in-queensland-and-south-australia-oppose-voice-to-parliament-as-support-falls-across-all-jurisdictions-according-to-roy-morgan-poll/news-story/8cb7215e465f87940ef25cadb4bcf681?amp