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Reply #90 - May 3rd, 2023 at 5:13pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 5:04pm:
The semi auto rifles we restricted were used in just over 1% of all firearm deaths from 1980-1995.



And now, in this century, that figure has tripled..

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Reply #91 - May 3rd, 2023 at 5:15pm
 
Karnal wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 12:18am:


Guess where the cartels get the bulk of their illegal weapons from.

Tip: it's a former Mexican state with liberal gun laws.


They got their firearms from Obamas Mexican gun running operation called Fast and Furious

Quote:
'Fast And Furious' Just Might Be President Obama's Watergate


Why a gunrunning scandal codenamed "Fast and Furious," a program run secretly by the U.S. government that sent thousands of firearms over an international border and directly into the hands of criminals, hasn't been pursued by an army of reporters all trying to be the next Bob Woodward or Carl Bernstein is a story in itself.

Fast and Furious was an operation so cloak-and-dagger Mexican authorities weren't even notified that thousands of semi-automatic firearms were being sold to people in Arizona thought to have links to Mexican drug cartels. According to ATF whistleblowers, in 2009 the U.S. government began instructing gun storeowners to break the law by selling firearms to suspected criminals. ATF agents then, again according to testimony by ATF agents turned whistleblowers, were ordered not to intercept the smugglers but rather to let the guns "walk" across the U.S.-Mexican border and into the hands of Mexican drug-trafficking organizations.

A Jan. 8, 2010 briefing paper from the ATF Phoenix Field Division Group VII says: "This investigation has currently identified more than 20 individual connected straw purchasers…. To date (September 2009-present) this group has purchased in excess of 650 firearms (mainly AK-47 variants) for which they have paid cash totaling more than $350,000."

This is an important fact because the U.S. Justice Department hasn't made it clear to tell congressional investigators when the Fast and Furious operation began and who authorized it; as a result, this ATF briefing paper's mention of September 2009 is thus far the earliest we can trace the operation.

The next important event we know of occurred in October 2009 when the ATF's Phoenix Field Division established a gun-trafficking group called "Group VII." Group VII began using the strategy of allowing suspects to walk away with illegally purchased guns, according to a report from the U.S. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee and the staff of Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), ranking member of the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee. The report says, "The purpose was to wait and watch, in hope that law enforcement could identify other members of a trafficking network and build a large, complex conspiracy case…. Group VII initially began using the new gunwalking tactics in one of its investigations to further the Department's strategy. The case was soon renamed 'Operation Fast and Furious.'"

This report and later official explanations from the ATF say the Fast and Furious program was created to deal with the problem that arresting low-level suspects doesn't necessarily help ATF agents get to the heads of Mexican cartels.

On Oct. 26, 2009, a month or so after Fast and Furious seems to have been initiated, a document shows that a teleconference was held between 13 officials. One of the issues discussed was the possible "adoption of the Department's strategy for Combating Mexican Drug Cartels." The officials listed to have been in on the call included Kenneth Melson, who was then the director of the ATF, Robert Mueller, the director of the FBI and a number of attorneys with the U.S. Department of Justice. B. Todd Jones, the current director of the ATF, was not listed in the document, but the title he held in September 2009 is listed as being in on the conference call.

Later in 2009 the ATF started the Fast and Furious program by allowing firearms to be smuggled from U.S. gun stores into the arsenals of Mexican criminal gangs. As these guns wouldn't be seen again until they resurfaced in crimes (there were no tracking devices installed or other means to trace these guns), the only purpose for letting these guns "walk" seems to be to back up the president's position that guns used in Mexican crimes mostly come from the U.S. (Though the Obama administration insists the gun sales were a part of a new crime-fighting technique.)

More here- https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2011/09/28/fast-and-furious-just-might-be-...



The leftards with TDS have forgotten about Obamas Mexican gun running scandal.

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Reply #92 - May 3rd, 2023 at 5:38pm
 
yep,
thats one of the crazier ones.

china also gives the cartels weapons grade fentanyl to poison yanks with in exchange for mining rights to minerals for EV batteries.

oh heres a fun fact

the most common ethnicity of a person calling ICE  us immigration and customs enforcement in the state of california is a latino.  the latinos literally dont want illegals to stay.

neither, it seems , do the residents of marthas vinyard who couldnt make roon for even 1 busload of illegals  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #93 - May 3rd, 2023 at 5:51pm
 
aquascoot wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 5:38pm:
yep,
thats one of the crazier ones.

china also gives the cartels weapons grade fentanyl to poison yanks with in exchange for mining rights to minerals for EV batteries.

oh heres a fun fact

the most common ethnicity of a person calling ICE  us immigration and customs enforcement in the state of california is a latino.  the latinos literally dont want illegals to stay.

neither, it seems , do the residents of marthas vinyard who couldnt make roon for even 1 busload of illegals  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


My American friend said he was going to smoke some weed with a Mexican.

He asked him have you got any papers and the Mexican ran away

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Reply #94 - May 3rd, 2023 at 5:53pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 5:51pm:
aquascoot wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 5:38pm:
yep,
thats one of the crazier ones.

china also gives the cartels weapons grade fentanyl to poison yanks with in exchange for mining rights to minerals for EV batteries.

oh heres a fun fact

the most common ethnicity of a person calling ICE  us immigration and customs enforcement in the state of california is a latino.  the latinos literally dont want illegals to stay.

neither, it seems , do the residents of marthas vinyard who couldnt make roon for even 1 busload of illegals  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


My American friend ...



Yeah, I'm calling bullshit right there.

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Reply #95 - May 3rd, 2023 at 6:36pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 5:04pm:
looked at the statistics they might realise they have been conned.


Where exactly does it show that?
Australia has more than 3.5 million registered firearms, an average of four for each licensed gun owner. So 4% of population own a gun.

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the U.S. International Trade Commission, and the Congressional Research Service in  2020 reported that 'the estimated total number of overall firearms in civilian possession is 433.9 million' in US of 332mill people. On the same basis of four guns each, that's 108mill owners or 30% of population, seven times the rate in Oz. That's very close to the actual gun death rate of 1.2 Oz to about 8 US per 100,000 people.
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Reply #96 - May 3rd, 2023 at 6:42pm
 
aquascoot wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 5:38pm:
yep,
thats one of the crazier ones.

china also gives the cartels weapons grade fentanyl to poison yanks with in exchange for mining rights to minerals for EV batteries.

oh heres a fun fact

the most common ethnicity of a person calling ICE  us immigration and customs enforcement in the state of california is a latino.  the latinos literally dont want illegals to stay.

neither, it seems , do the residents of marthas vinyard who couldnt make roon for even 1 busload of illegals  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


No, dear, that's what we call a fun lie. Spitballing.

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Zoom in: Volunteers Thursday morning brought food, water, diapers and clothing to the church, which was bustling with families, state legislators, interpreters and other volunteers — a Herculean effort that the community can’t sustain long-term, Belcastro said.

Neighbors walked over and delivered cash to a volunteer to give to Martha’s Vineyard Community Services, a nonprofit that’s providing food for the asylum seekers.
Fernandes, state Rep. Jon Santiago and Massachusetts Health and Human Services Secretary Marylou Sudders visited the church Thursday afternoon to meet with organizers.
Iván Espinoza-Madrigal, executive director of Lawyers for Civil Rights, said attorneys are trying to figure out how to handle appointments that migrants have with federal immigration authorities in the cities they were supposed to go.

Asylum seekers go through a rigorous, often years-long process through immigration courts that requires them to check in with Immigration and Customs Enforcement periodically. Missing an appointment could be detrimental to their case.
What’s next: Volunteers expect to keep the asylum seekers at the church for at least another day before they are taken to another part of Massachusetts, Belcastro says.

It’s unclear where their next destination is, but Boston-based organizations have made preparations to take in the migrants.
Local restaurants, nonprofits and officials have rallied around the group and offered enough food to last through Saturday, Belcastro says.


https://www.axios.com/2022/09/15/migrants-marthas-vineyard-immigration
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Reply #97 - May 3rd, 2023 at 7:08pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 5:04pm:
they have been conned.



“We need to at least have equal or better to what is out there in the community,” Police Union President Ian Leavers said.
Queensland Police like US Police know their chances against semi automatics. The .303 was OK in WWI, sort of worked in WWII and is now in museums.
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Reply #98 - May 3rd, 2023 at 7:51pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 5:15pm:
Karnal wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 12:18am:


Guess where the cartels get the bulk of their illegal weapons from.

Tip: it's a former Mexican state with liberal gun laws.


They got their firearms from Obamas Mexican gun running operation called Fast and Furious

Quote:
'Fast And Furious' Just Might Be President Obama's Watergate


Why a gunrunning scandal codenamed "Fast and Furious," a program run secretly by the U.S. government that sent thousands of firearms over an international border and directly into the hands of criminals, hasn't been pursued by an army of reporters all trying to be the next Bob Woodward or Carl Bernstein is a story in itself.

Fast and Furious was an operation so cloak-and-dagger Mexican authorities weren't even notified that thousands of semi-automatic firearms were being sold to people in Arizona thought to have links to Mexican drug cartels. According to ATF whistleblowers, in 2009 the U.S. government began instructing gun storeowners to break the law by selling firearms to suspected criminals. ATF agents then, again according to testimony by ATF agents turned whistleblowers, were ordered not to intercept the smugglers but rather to let the guns "walk" across the U.S.-Mexican border and into the hands of Mexican drug-trafficking organizations.

A Jan. 8, 2010 briefing paper from the ATF Phoenix Field Division Group VII says: "This investigation has currently identified more than 20 individual connected straw purchasers…. To date (September 2009-present) this group has purchased in excess of 650 firearms (mainly AK-47 variants) for which they have paid cash totaling more than $350,000."

This is an important fact because the U.S. Justice Department hasn't made it clear to tell congressional investigators when the Fast and Furious operation began and who authorized it; as a result, this ATF briefing paper's mention of September 2009 is thus far the earliest we can trace the operation.

The next important event we know of occurred in October 2009 when the ATF's Phoenix Field Division established a gun-trafficking group called "Group VII." Group VII began using the strategy of allowing suspects to walk away with illegally purchased guns, according to a report from the U.S. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee and the staff of Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), ranking member of the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee. The report says, "The purpose was to wait and watch, in hope that law enforcement could identify other members of a trafficking network and build a large, complex conspiracy case…. Group VII initially began using the new gunwalking tactics in one of its investigations to further the Department's strategy. The case was soon renamed 'Operation Fast and Furious.'"

This report and later official explanations from the ATF say the Fast and Furious program was created to deal with the problem that arresting low-level suspects doesn't necessarily help ATF agents get to the heads of Mexican cartels.

On Oct. 26, 2009, a month or so after Fast and Furious seems to have been initiated, a document shows that a teleconference was held between 13 officials. One of the issues discussed was the possible "adoption of the Department's strategy for Combating Mexican Drug Cartels." The officials listed to have been in on the call included Kenneth Melson, who was then the director of the ATF, Robert Mueller, the director of the FBI and a number of attorneys with the U.S. Department of Justice. B. Todd Jones, the current director of the ATF, was not listed in the document, but the title he held in September 2009 is listed as being in on the conference call.

Later in 2009 the ATF started the Fast and Furious program by allowing firearms to be smuggled from U.S. gun stores into the arsenals of Mexican criminal gangs. As these guns wouldn't be seen again until they resurfaced in crimes (there were no tracking devices installed or other means to trace these guns), the only purpose for letting these guns "walk" seems to be to back up the president's position that guns used in Mexican crimes mostly come from the U.S. (Though the Obama administration insists the gun sales were a part of a new crime-fighting technique.)

More here- https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2011/09/28/fast-and-furious-just-might-be-...



The leftards with TDS have forgotten about Obamas Mexican gun running scandal.

Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin


Strange. An army of journalists have covered this story in the fake news media, Baron.

Thanks for the info though - I had never heard of this. Why did the ATF conduct this operation?
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Reply #99 - May 3rd, 2023 at 7:56pm
 
Karnal wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 7:51pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 5:15pm:
Karnal wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 12:18am:


Guess where the cartels get the bulk of their illegal weapons from.

Tip: it's a former Mexican state with liberal gun laws.


They got their firearms from Obamas Mexican gun running operation called Fast and Furious

Quote:
'Fast And Furious' Just Might Be President Obama's Watergate


Why a gunrunning scandal codenamed "Fast and Furious," a program run secretly by the U.S. government that sent thousands of firearms over an international border and directly into the hands of criminals, hasn't been pursued by an army of reporters all trying to be the next Bob Woodward or Carl Bernstein is a story in itself.

Fast and Furious was an operation so cloak-and-dagger Mexican authorities weren't even notified that thousands of semi-automatic firearms were being sold to people in Arizona thought to have links to Mexican drug cartels. According to ATF whistleblowers, in 2009 the U.S. government began instructing gun storeowners to break the law by selling firearms to suspected criminals. ATF agents then, again according to testimony by ATF agents turned whistleblowers, were ordered not to intercept the smugglers but rather to let the guns "walk" across the U.S.-Mexican border and into the hands of Mexican drug-trafficking organizations.

A Jan. 8, 2010 briefing paper from the ATF Phoenix Field Division Group VII says: "This investigation has currently identified more than 20 individual connected straw purchasers…. To date (September 2009-present) this group has purchased in excess of 650 firearms (mainly AK-47 variants) for which they have paid cash totaling more than $350,000."

This is an important fact because the U.S. Justice Department hasn't made it clear to tell congressional investigators when the Fast and Furious operation began and who authorized it; as a result, this ATF briefing paper's mention of September 2009 is thus far the earliest we can trace the operation.

The next important event we know of occurred in October 2009 when the ATF's Phoenix Field Division established a gun-trafficking group called "Group VII." Group VII began using the strategy of allowing suspects to walk away with illegally purchased guns, according to a report from the U.S. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee and the staff of Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), ranking member of the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee. The report says, "The purpose was to wait and watch, in hope that law enforcement could identify other members of a trafficking network and build a large, complex conspiracy case…. Group VII initially began using the new gunwalking tactics in one of its investigations to further the Department's strategy. The case was soon renamed 'Operation Fast and Furious.'"

This report and later official explanations from the ATF say the Fast and Furious program was created to deal with the problem that arresting low-level suspects doesn't necessarily help ATF agents get to the heads of Mexican cartels.

On Oct. 26, 2009, a month or so after Fast and Furious seems to have been initiated, a document shows that a teleconference was held between 13 officials. One of the issues discussed was the possible "adoption of the Department's strategy for Combating Mexican Drug Cartels." The officials listed to have been in on the call included Kenneth Melson, who was then the director of the ATF, Robert Mueller, the director of the FBI and a number of attorneys with the U.S. Department of Justice. B. Todd Jones, the current director of the ATF, was not listed in the document, but the title he held in September 2009 is listed as being in on the conference call.

Later in 2009 the ATF started the Fast and Furious program by allowing firearms to be smuggled from U.S. gun stores into the arsenals of Mexican criminal gangs. As these guns wouldn't be seen again until they resurfaced in crimes (there were no tracking devices installed or other means to trace these guns), the only purpose for letting these guns "walk" seems to be to back up the president's position that guns used in Mexican crimes mostly come from the U.S. (Though the Obama administration insists the gun sales were a part of a new crime-fighting technique.)

More here- https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2011/09/28/fast-and-furious-just-might-be-...



The leftards with TDS have forgotten about Obamas Mexican gun running scandal.

Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin


Strange. An army of journalists have covered this story in the fake news media, Baron.

Thanks for the info though - I had never heard of this. Why did the ATF conduct this operation?


They only started to cover it when it couldn't be covered up any longer.

The question should be why did they democRats have this gun running operation?

Not the last time democRats give guns to foreigners just look at the billions in weapons they gave the Taliban.
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Reply #100 - May 3rd, 2023 at 8:00pm
 
Karnal wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 6:42pm:
aquascoot wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 5:38pm:
yep,
thats one of the crazier ones.

china also gives the cartels weapons grade fentanyl to poison yanks with in exchange for mining rights to minerals for EV batteries.

oh heres a fun fact

the most common ethnicity of a person calling ICE  us immigration and customs enforcement in the state of california is a latino.  the latinos literally dont want illegals to stay.

neither, it seems , do the residents of marthas vinyard who couldnt make roon for even 1 busload of illegals  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


No, dear, that's what we call a fun lie. Spitballing.

Quote:
Zoom in: Volunteers Thursday morning brought food, water, diapers and clothing to the church, which was bustling with families, state legislators, interpreters and other volunteers — a Herculean effort that the community can’t sustain long-term, Belcastro said.

Neighbors walked over and delivered cash to a volunteer to give to Martha’s Vineyard Community Services, a nonprofit that’s providing food for the asylum seekers.
Fernandes, state Rep. Jon Santiago and Massachusetts Health and Human Services Secretary Marylou Sudders visited the church Thursday afternoon to meet with organizers.
Iván Espinoza-Madrigal, executive director of Lawyers for Civil Rights, said attorneys are trying to figure out how to handle appointments that migrants have with federal immigration authorities in the cities they were supposed to go.

Asylum seekers go through a rigorous, often years-long process through immigration courts that requires them to check in with Immigration and Customs Enforcement periodically. Missing an appointment could be detrimental to their case.
What’s next: Volunteers expect to keep the asylum seekers at the church for at least another day before they are taken to another part of Massachusetts, Belcastro says.

It’s unclear where their next destination is, but Boston-based organizations have made preparations to take in the migrants.
Local restaurants, nonprofits and officials have rallied around the group and offered enough food to last through Saturday, Belcastro says.


https://www.axios.com/2022/09/15/migrants-marthas-vineyard-immigration


These illegals were put on the ferry and removed from Marthas Vineyard within 24 hours.

All those empty mansions and they claim there was no room.
Obama could have housed them in his mansion.
Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin

MV is 99% white the leftist NIMBYs only have POC there to clean and do gardening
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Reply #101 - May 3rd, 2023 at 8:13pm
 
chimera wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 6:36pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 5:04pm:
looked at the statistics they might realise they have been conned.


Where exactly does it show that?
Australia has more than 3.5 million registered firearms, an average of four for each licensed gun owner. So 4% of population own a gun.



We banned people from having a type of rifle that was used in just over 1% of all firearm deaths from 1980-1995 how much safer did that make us?

If we exclude family shootings and only count random public mass shootings then we only had Hoddle st, Queen st , Strathfield and Port Arthur for a grand total of 4 mass shootings. How common were public mass shootings here when we only had 4?

We have far more than 3.5 million registered firearms here i see you're quoting numbers from Philip Alpers from gunpolicy.org who failed to impose gun control in NZ then came here.
https://www.ssaa.org.au/?ss_news=philip-alpers-a-most-dubious-researcher

We have over 6 million registered firearms with over 2 million firearm licence holders here. Our license and firearm numbers have doubled since 1996 while our population has increased from 17 to 25 million people.

Page 63 for firearm and license numbers.
https://www.acic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-08/crimtrac_ar_2015-16_final_07...

Our firearm crimes have decreased while firearm numbers have increased more legally owned guns has resulted in less firearm deaths an inconvenient truth for bedwetting hoplophobes.

NSW Police minister Troy Grant says at 1 min 15 sec Greater than 97% of all firearm crimes done by criminals with illegal guns




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Reply #102 - May 3rd, 2023 at 8:31pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 7:56pm:
Karnal wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 7:51pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 5:15pm:
Karnal wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 12:18am:


Guess where the cartels get the bulk of their illegal weapons from.

Tip: it's a former Mexican state with liberal gun laws.


They got their firearms from Obamas Mexican gun running operation called Fast and Furious

Quote:
'Fast And Furious' Just Might Be President Obama's Watergate


Why a gunrunning scandal codenamed "Fast and Furious," a program run secretly by the U.S. government that sent thousands of firearms over an international border and directly into the hands of criminals, hasn't been pursued by an army of reporters all trying to be the next Bob Woodward or Carl Bernstein is a story in itself.

Fast and Furious was an operation so cloak-and-dagger Mexican authorities weren't even notified that thousands of semi-automatic firearms were being sold to people in Arizona thought to have links to Mexican drug cartels. According to ATF whistleblowers, in 2009 the U.S. government began instructing gun storeowners to break the law by selling firearms to suspected criminals. ATF agents then, again according to testimony by ATF agents turned whistleblowers, were ordered not to intercept the smugglers but rather to let the guns "walk" across the U.S.-Mexican border and into the hands of Mexican drug-trafficking organizations.

A Jan. 8, 2010 briefing paper from the ATF Phoenix Field Division Group VII says: "This investigation has currently identified more than 20 individual connected straw purchasers…. To date (September 2009-present) this group has purchased in excess of 650 firearms (mainly AK-47 variants) for which they have paid cash totaling more than $350,000."

This is an important fact because the U.S. Justice Department hasn't made it clear to tell congressional investigators when the Fast and Furious operation began and who authorized it; as a result, this ATF briefing paper's mention of September 2009 is thus far the earliest we can trace the operation.

The next important event we know of occurred in October 2009 when the ATF's Phoenix Field Division established a gun-trafficking group called "Group VII." Group VII began using the strategy of allowing suspects to walk away with illegally purchased guns, according to a report from the U.S. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee and the staff of Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), ranking member of the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee. The report says, "The purpose was to wait and watch, in hope that law enforcement could identify other members of a trafficking network and build a large, complex conspiracy case…. Group VII initially began using the new gunwalking tactics in one of its investigations to further the Department's strategy. The case was soon renamed 'Operation Fast and Furious.'"

This report and later official explanations from the ATF say the Fast and Furious program was created to deal with the problem that arresting low-level suspects doesn't necessarily help ATF agents get to the heads of Mexican cartels.

On Oct. 26, 2009, a month or so after Fast and Furious seems to have been initiated, a document shows that a teleconference was held between 13 officials. One of the issues discussed was the possible "adoption of the Department's strategy for Combating Mexican Drug Cartels." The officials listed to have been in on the call included Kenneth Melson, who was then the director of the t director of the ATF, was not listed in the document, but the title he held in September 2009 is listed as being in on the conference call.

Later in 2009 the ATF started the Fast and Furious program by allowing firearms to be smuggled from U.S. gun stores into the arsenals of Mexican criminal gangs. As these guns wouldn't be seen again until they resurfaced in crimes (there were no tracking devices installed or other means to trace these guns), the only purpose for letting these guns "walk" seems to be to back up the president's position that guns used in Mexican crimes mostly come from the U.S. (Though the Obama administration insists the gun sales were a part of a new crime-fighting technique.)

More here- https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2011/09/28/fast-and-furious-just-might-be-...



The leftards with TDS have forgotten about Obamas Mexican gun running scandal.

Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin


Strange. An army of journalists have covered this story in the fake news media, Baron.

Thanks for the info though - I had never heard of this. Why did the ATF conduct this operation?


They only started to cover it when it couldn't be covered up any longer.

The question should be why did they democRats have this gun running operation?

Not the last time democRats give guns to foreigners just look at the billions in weapons they gave the Taliban.


It's got nothing to do with Democrats, Baron. Why did the ATF conduct that operation?

It's a simple legal/operational question. What was the objective?

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Reply #103 - May 3rd, 2023 at 8:44pm
 
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fake news you reckon


care to check out the house judiciary committee report   Grin Grin Grin Grin

https://judiciary.house.gov/media/in-the-news/atf-set-to-destroy-guns-associated...
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Re: Texas mass shooting
Reply #104 - May 3rd, 2023 at 8:50pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 8:13pm:
We banned people from having a type of rifle that was used in just over 1% of all firearm deaths from 1980-1995 how much safer did that make us?



I quoted the Qld police on semi automatics. The Police work for the state which makes gun laws.
As a trend, more guns mean more dead : wives, kids, cops, internet warriors.
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