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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #1080 - Sep 17^th, 2024 at 1:16pm

its not sarcastic at all.

politicians thought they could get votes early in covid by presenting themselves as the people who would "keep you safe"

now that there is no votes in covid and they are under the pump with housing shortage, knocking off 5000 old homeowners a year and seeing them come on the market makes political sense

5000 homes at maybe a million each is 5 billion worth of housing, they dont have to build

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #1081 - Sep 19^th, 2024 at 9:48am

Yes, of course.

Tell us something we didn't already know.

https://x.com/BigBadDenis/status/1836542322835857645

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Why Albanese never wanted a COVID royal commission. By Scott Prasser

"Because the government wanted to avoid exposing any of the five Labor states and territories that held office during the pandemic to any detailed scrutiny."

(Click on the images to read the article because the direct link is paywalled, as usual).

After all the "We have a plan to tackle Covid" BS and the attacks on Scott Morrison from Albanese before the Federal election he and his useless government did absolutely nothing (except make things worse by removing all remaining protections).

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Reply #1082 - Sep 19^th, 2024 at 6:30pm

Ah, yes... the "you do you" era of COVID mitigation.

People can't make "risk assessments" without knowing the risks

Julia Doubleday
Sep 17, 2024

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As politicians pushed us all “back to normal”, a common refrain from the top was that we “had the tools” to deal with COVID, and that individuals could now make their own decisions about what sorts of risks they were comfortable taking.

I’ve written at length about the absurdity of attempting to individualize what is a collective problem. What was once a libertarian, far-right wing idea - disease control should be the territory of individuals, not society at large- was first promoted by Republicans, then mainstreamed by liberals in order to paint Biden’s failed vaccine-only herd-immunity strategy as a success.

As we settled into a cycle of endless waves of disease driven by rapidly evolving new variants, our government and public health bodies continued to promote the fantasy that everyone can make their own decisions about whether or not to get infected.

Of course, anyone who does make the “risk assessment” that catching COVID is unsafe for them is functionally shut out of society. It’s hardly a choice freely made, as the social and economic punishments for failing to “return to normal” continue to intensify.

But it wasn’t enough to snatch away free tests, vaccines and COVID treatments, all but eliminate the isolation period for active infections, and push people to view disease control as a personal responsibility. Along with instructing people to make their own “risk assessments” about COVID, our government also downplays, minimizes, and flat out denies the risks of recurrent infections.

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For example: COVID causes cognitive damage. That seems like an important piece of information to give the American public while you encourage them to make risk assessments about whether to contract it every year, does it not?

What about parents deciding to send their kids back to schools with zero precautions?

Should they be warned that COVID carries a significant risk of brain damage following infection, before deciding whether it’s a good idea to let their children catch it twice a year?

And if that information is quite deliberately kept from the public by the same bodies failing to provide collective mitigations, are you asking people to make “risk assessments”, or are you just pushing them to catch COVID?

This is in the US but it also applies to Australia and most of the rest of the world.

And, from Tim (the ex virologist):

https://x.com/LettersfromTim/status/1836680723346100280

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Ahhhhhhhh

The @AlboMP
special

The pretend PM tried many times, as protections were removed by him, to say it was up to individuals to “assess their own risk”

Bit hard to do when he removed every last vestige of Govt reporting

I wish he’d stay in Delaware with Joe

Yep, me too.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #1083 - Sep 20^th, 2024 at 1:53pm

Carl D wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 6:30pm:

Ah, yes... the "you do you" era of COVID mitigation.

People can't make "risk assessments" without knowing the risks

Julia Doubleday
Sep 17, 2024

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As politicians pushed us all “back to normal”, a common refrain from the top was that we “had the tools” to deal with COVID, and that individuals could now make their own decisions about what sorts of risks they were comfortable taking.

I’ve written at length about the absurdity of attempting to individualize what is a collective problem. What was once a libertarian, far-right wing idea - disease control should be the territory of individuals, not society at large- was first promoted by Republicans, then mainstreamed by liberals in order to paint Biden’s failed vaccine-only herd-immunity strategy as a success.

As we settled into a cycle of endless waves of disease driven by rapidly evolving new variants, our government and public health bodies continued to promote the fantasy that everyone can make their own decisions about whether or not to get infected.

Of course, anyone who does make the “risk assessment” that catching COVID is unsafe for them is functionally shut out of society. It’s hardly a choice freely made, as the social and economic punishments for failing to “return to normal” continue to intensify.

But it wasn’t enough to snatch away free tests, vaccines and COVID treatments, all but eliminate the isolation period for active infections, and push people to view disease control as a personal responsibility. Along with instructing people to make their own “risk assessments” about COVID, our government also downplays, minimizes, and flat out denies the risks of recurrent infections.

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For example: COVID causes cognitive damage. That seems like an important piece of information to give the American public while you encourage them to make risk assessments about whether to contract it every year, does it not?

What about parents deciding to send their kids back to schools with zero precautions?

Should they be warned that COVID carries a significant risk of brain damage following infection, before deciding whether it’s a good idea to let their children catch it twice a year?

And if that information is quite deliberately kept from the public by the same bodies failing to provide collective mitigations, are you asking people to make “risk assessments”, or are you just pushing them to catch COVID?

This is in the US but it also applies to Australia and most of the rest of the world.

And, from Tim (the ex virologist):

https://x.com/LettersfromTim/status/1836680723346100280

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Ahhhhhhhh

The @AlboMP
special

The pretend PM tried many times, as protections were removed by him, to say it was up to individuals to “assess their own risk”

Bit hard to do when he removed every last vestige of Govt reporting

I wish he’d stay in Delaware with Joe

Yep, me too.

a labor PM telling people to take "personal responsibility"

this will not go down well with those who see themselves as "eternal infants"

carl suffers from learned helplessness

here is one of his pleas for help to albo....

help!

help!

please help me

albo, please help me

i thought you were my mummy albo

can i suck on your booby albo

dont leave me albo

i am incapable of "personal responsibility" Grin

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #1084 - Sep 20^th, 2024 at 6:14pm

aquascoot wrote on Sep 20^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

a labor PM telling people to take "personal responsibility"

this will not go down well with those who see themselves as "eternal infants"

carl suffers from learned helplessness

here is one of his pleas for help to albo....

help!

help!

please help me

albo, please help me

i thought you were my mummy albo

can i suck on your booby albo

dont leave me albo

i am incapable of "personal responsibility" Grin

Ever thought of creating and entering a Vogon Poetry competition?

You'd win for sure.

Meanwhile, there have been another 5
Covid deaths in Australian Aged Care this week.

https://x.com/BigBadDenis/status/1837016332145152268

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COVID-19 outbreaks in Australian residential aged care facilities: 19 September 2024

🔹Active cases: 803 (+134)
🔹Active outbreaks: 117 (+18)
🔹Residents: 582 (+106)
🔹Staff: 221 (+28)
🔹Reported deaths in 2024: 882 (+5)

Outbreaks and cases are on the increase again.

https://x.com/BigBadDenis/status/1837016334783369377

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7,008 aged care COVID deaths since beginning of pandemic

🔸686 reported deaths in 2020
🔸226 reported deaths in 2021
🔸3,855 reported deaths in 2022
🔸1,359 reported deaths in 2023
🔸882 reported deaths in 2024

And, the usual silence from the pollies. of course.

Disgraceful.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 45888 Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #1085 - Sep 21^st, 2024 at 7:40pm Vogon poetry? Too, too cruel Carl!
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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #1086 - Sep 22^nd, 2024 at 3:56pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 21^st, 2024 at 7:40pm:

Vogon poetry? Too, too cruel Carl!

Grin

Vogon poetry is the third worst in the universe.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings wrote the worst with the Azgoths of Kria in second place.

I'm sure aquascoot's word salads would easily put him in first place. Grin

Anyway...

https://x.com/BigBadDenis/status/1837395153155510691

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Sick leave soars amid flu, COVID and cold collision. By Kate Aubusson

"Personal leave among employees of small businesses soared in August to more than 38% above the pre-COVID baseline and 14.3% points higher than in August last year."

https://archive.md/scxNc

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The storm of influenza, pneumonia, colds and other germs circulating this winter drove a massive surge in the number of Australians taking sick leave.
Payroll data from business management platform MYOB shows sick, carers, and personal leave among employees of small businesses soared in August to more than 38 per cent above the pre-COVID baseline and 14.3 percentage points higher than in August last year.

I wonder when the government and business will wake up to the fact that sick (or dead) people don't work, shop, take overseas and interstate holidays, etc.?

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #1087 - Sep 22^nd, 2024 at 10:44pm

Amanda Hu on X:

https://x.com/amandalhu/status/1837666676307026080

(You may have to click the speaker icon at the bottom right of the video to hear it).

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lol @22_Minutes
this was pretty good actually. It captured how absurd our current reality is quite well

Yes, it most certainly does.

ABC... Anything But Covid.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #1088 - Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 5:15am

Carl D wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2024 at 3:56pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 21^st, 2024 at 7:40pm:

Vogon poetry? Too, too cruel Carl!

Grin

Vogon poetry is the third worst in the universe.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings wrote the worst with the Azgoths of Kria in second place.

I'm sure aquascoot's word salads would easily put him in first place. Grin

Anyway...

https://x.com/BigBadDenis/status/1837395153155510691

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Sick leave soars amid flu, COVID and cold collision. By Kate Aubusson

"Personal leave among employees of small businesses soared in August to more than 38% above the pre-COVID baseline and 14.3% points higher than in August last year."

https://archive.md/scxNc

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The storm of influenza, pneumonia, colds and other germs circulating this winter drove a massive surge in the number of Australians taking sick leave.
Payroll data from business management platform MYOB shows sick, carers, and personal leave among employees of small businesses soared in August to more than 38 per cent above the pre-COVID baseline and 14.3 percentage points higher than in August last year.

I wonder when the government and business will wake up to the fact that sick (or dead) people don't work, shop, take overseas and interstate holidays, etc.?

hi ya carl

still trolling on line and obsessing on twitter rather then tending to your sick aunt

by the way, as you point out, this is a disease killing nursing home residents

how many of them are currently commuting to work, hitting the shops and ringing flight centre to organise their next trip?

most are probably hoping for a calm and dignified death

this is only available in the form of the "old mans friend" aka pneumonia

covid is their friend

now, insult me again by calling my informative post "word salad" and maybe have a go at my wife for not masking up whilst looking after sloppy entitled old whingebags in the failing public hospital system Roll Eyes

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #1089 - Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 8:17am

aquascoot wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 5:15am:

hi ya carl

still trolling on line and obsessing on twitter rather then tending to your sick aunt

Not trolling.

Not obsessing.

And, my aunt is elderly, not sick. Oh, and she has a 'message' for you. It consists solely of a raised middle finger. Hope you enjoy it.

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by the way, as you point out, this is a disease killing nursing home residents.

Yes, yes it is. And it is disgraceful that our governments won't lift a finger to prevent any of these deaths, let alone acknowledge them or, at the very least, offer condolences to the families.

But I'm sure they're thinking about the money they're saving on pensions and healthcare costs, as I've said many times before.

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how many of them are currently commuting to work, hitting the shops and ringing flight centre to organise their next trip?

If you're talking about the elderly then obviously most of them are probably retired and no longer working.

As for holidays, I believe quite a lot of elderly people do take interstate and overseas holidays. I always find it interesting that the monthly Senior Newspaper we get here usually has the first half of the paper devoted to how (financially) tough things are for seniors these days but the second half of the paper is almost exclusively ads for holidays (especially cruises).

But, (and I'm sure you knew it) what I was talking about when I said "I wonder when the government and business will wake up to the fact that sick (or dead) people don't work, shop, take overseas and interstate holidays, etc.?" is this:

Long COVID cost Australian economy about $9.6 billion in 2022

And, it's been getting worse since 2022.

You'd think the pollies would be concerned about that if nothing else. But it would require them to admit they stuffed up with their "vaccines only and let it rip" failure and they're now too gutless (and worried about lawsuits... and elections) to admit it.

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most are probably hoping for a calm and dignified death

this is only available in the form of the "old mans friend" aka pneumonia

Really? I wouldn't call hacking up a lung and gasping for air a "calm and dignified death".

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covid is their friend

Sure it is. Roll Eyes

See above.

I'm hoping that the latest, even more contagious XEC Covid variant which has been running rampant in the UK and Europe and has now arrived in Australia (so much for those "I don't have any illnesses" declarations people have to complete before flying to Australia, eh?) "makes friends" with some of our pollies and hits them really, really hard.

Especially when many people in the UK have reported on social media that they cannot even WALK after catching this latest variant and feel sicker than they've ever been in their lives.

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now, insult me again by calling my informative post "word salad" and maybe have a go at my wife for not masking up whilst looking after sloppy entitled old whingebags in the failing public hospital system Roll Eyes

No worries... your "informative" (lol) post is a word salad. As usual.

And, if your maskless wife believes her job consists of "looking after sloppy entitled old whingebags in the failing public hospital system" then perhaps she's in the wrong line of work?

However, I strongly suspect that's probably more to do with the way YOU see her job.

Oh, and I wonder who's responsible for the "failing public hospital system" in Queensland? Go on, have a guess... and when you figure it out perhaps you could "shoot off" another quick email and ask him why he isn't doing his job.

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Reply #1092 - Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 2:17pm

Carl D wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 2:10pm:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 12:54pm:

way too long

i'm not reading 'war and peace" from some old codger with severe death anxiety Roll Eyes

White flag accepted.

Again.

I might have to rent one of those self storage places to keep them all... if you ever get around to sending them to me.

i tried to send them but gweggy stole them to wipe off his keyboard

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Reply #1093 - Sep 24^th, 2024 at 9:29am

My mother died partly of pneumonia because it had turned septic. I have had a pneumonia inoculation plus a booster. I assume Mum would have had the first shot but not the booster.

While her death was a tragedy at least she died before the dementia took away her knowledge of her kids (she didn’t recognise my younger sister earlier, which broke my sister’s heart.) But we went to lunch there twice just before her death so she relearned her youngest child.)

I guess Mum did just lie on her chair in the lounge for two days before I had her taken to the local hospital. Old people’s friend?

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Reply #1094 - Oct 9^th, 2024 at 9:11pm

And look what we have here...

https://x.com/BigBadDenis/status/1843517798582297056

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Chief medical officer Professor Paul Kelly to retire.

"Professor Kelly’s last day in the department will be 21 October 2024."

After that Guardian 'puff piece' let's see what a few people think about that, shall we?

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Maddie
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Oct 8
Replying to @BigBadDenis
He's just collected his salary for 4 1/2 years as he's done SFA except deny the seriousness of Covid-19. Hope he gets a 'good retirement/Christmas gift' like the one he wished on all of us!

Oct 8, 2024 · 5:12 AM UTC

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💜JaguarBeesOz-Indoor Air Quality Legislation
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Oct 8
Replying to @BigBadDenis
This is such good news. 🥳🎉
I thought he'd leave last year. He's obviously remained in the job to maximise his salary for his superannuation benefits.
I hope Brett Sutton is brought in & we get a move on.
#CovidIsAirborne #CovidIsNotOver #CleanAir

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Denise C.
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Oct 8
Replying to @BigBadDenis
Can't come soon enough ...
'Dry tinder' 🤬
'No different to any other respiratory virus' 🤯
'Hybrid immunity' 🤨

Oct 8, 2024 · 5:13 AM UTC

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Jordan Crane
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Oct 8
Replying to @BigBadDenis
Is this because of the upcoming c19 inquiry?

Oct 8, 2024 · 6:03 AM UTC

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Matt Nisselle
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Oct 8
Replying to @BigBadDenis
Hooray!!!
I hope he doesn’t sail off into the sunset though; there’s still his reckoning on the horizon!
Hopefully…

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Alix
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Oct 8
Replying to @BigBadDenis
Preparing for future health threats while failing to procure vaccines for the current ones🤦‍♀️

Hopefully the next CMO might prioritise existing vaccine & medication shortages whilst reclaiming the role of public health from politicians who put the business lobby front & centre.

Oct 8, 2024 · 6:02 AM UTC

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Dan Jago
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Oct 8
Replying to @BigBadDenis
His lack of expertise, leadership and advice led to thousands of deaths and disability.

Professor Kelly’s lack of expertise, and poor communication provided false reassurance to the public

Oct 8, 2024 · 7:06 AM UTC

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Appit
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Replying to @BigBadDenis
It's not like he's done anything of note. He's been the acting head of the CDC since 1st Jan 2024 - I've only seen them appear in the news once since then.

🤔 Think that was only the announcement it had an office!!

Like many before him, he skips away with a healthy pension.

Oct 9, 2024 · 8:31 AM UTC

And many more just like that.

Finally... from Tim (the ex virologist):

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Tim 🇦🇺🇮🇱
@LettersfromTim
Oct 8
I think I speak for many Australians when I say

GOOD RIDDANCE

To this sociopath who facilitated the quiet slaughter of tens of thousands of vulnerable Australians

Agreed.

Now, when do we get rid of aquascoot's hero Dr. Death/Lex Luthor in Queensland?

Come to think of it... where IS he these days? Has he gone into hiding again while Covid and other viruses run rampant (especially the new XEC Covid variant that's caused/ is still causing chaos in the UK, Europe and now Australia)?

And when do we get rid of "Butterballs"? That's Mr. bad Elvis impersonator (and good for nothing else) by the way.

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