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People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia (Read 41700 times)
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Reply #1125 - Nov 16th, 2024 at 8:28pm
 
Carl D wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 8:19pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 7:26pm:
carl,

i know a lot of people.

i have NEVER met ANYONE who engaged in a conversation obsessing over whether people on airplanes were filling out their cough symptoms correctly before boarding a flight

it would be of zero interest to anyone

i imagine qantas just throw them in the bin


Yeah, I've just checked and they may as well throw these in the bin:

Incoming Passenger Card - Australia

As I suspected, not worth the paper (or cardboard) it's printed on.

"If you are NOT an Australian Citizen: Do you have tuberculosis? Yes/No"

lol... I wonder if the airline staff would notice if someone boarded the plane with tuberculosis? It's quite possible they wouldn't - and even if they did the passenger would probably still be allowed to fly anyway ($$$ again).

I'm also wondering if that means it's OK to fly to Australia if you do have tuberculosis as long as you're an Australian Citizen?  Roll Eyes

And they seem to be more concerned about illegal pornography, tobacco and alcohol than they do about infectious diseases like Covid that has killed over 25,000 Australians so far.

Mind you, the card hasn't been updated since July 2019 (how convenient - just before the ongoing Covid pandemic started).

Of course, questions 6 to 11 are obviously more to do with protecting the economy... what a surprise!

What a sick joke (literally).



What action do you recommend?

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #1126 - Nov 16th, 2024 at 8:34pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 8:28pm:
What action do you recommend?


Stopping obviously sick people coming into Australia would be a good start. You know, the ones hacking up a lung and blowing their noses endlessly when they arrive at the airport to board the plane.

Masks on planes and in airports. No exceptions. But the airlines and airports don't like that as we've seen during the Covid pandemic. Apparently it discourages people from travelling which costs them $$$. Plus, it's a constant reminder that we're still in a pandemic when everyone is supposed to believe it's over.

Testing and quarantine would be even better... except that everyone from the airlines right down to the Bali Bogans would be complaining endlessly about the 'inconvenience' and cost (assuming they had to pay for it - which they should).
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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #1127 - Nov 16th, 2024 at 9:01pm
 
Carl D wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 8:34pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 8:28pm:
What action do you recommend?


Stopping obviously sick people coming into Australia would be a good start. You know, the ones hacking up a lung and blowing their noses endlessly when they arrive at the airport to board the plane.

Masks on planes and in airports. No exceptions. But the airlines and airports don't like that as we've seen during the Covid pandemic. Apparently it discourages people from travelling which costs them $$$. Plus, it's a constant reminder that we're still in a pandemic when everyone is supposed to believe it's over.

Testing and quarantine would be even better... except that everyone from the airlines right down to the Bali Bogans would be complaining endlessly about the 'inconvenience' and cost (assuming they had to pay for it - which they should).


Only for Covid or for every respiratory illness like colds and the rest?
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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #1128 - Nov 16th, 2024 at 9:23pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 9:01pm:
Only for Covid or for every respiratory illness like colds and the rest?


Measures to stop Covid would also be effective against other respiratory illnesses.

I thought that would be obvious seeing as they all spread in the same way.

As I've said before - the measures taken in 2020 and most of 2021 to stop Covid entering Australia and spreading were also effective against the flu.

After Australia's borders were closed (well, sort of) and quarantine for overseas arrivals started in late March 2020 I remember saying to one of the ladies at our local TerryWhite Chemmart when I was asking about the flu shot that I didn't think the flu was going to be a problem in Australia that year.

She said "Do you think so?" and I said "Yep".

And I was right.

And then we threw all that away from late 2021 onwards when the government gave up and surrendered to Covid (under pressure from big business) just like the rest of the world did.
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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #1129 - Nov 16th, 2024 at 9:38pm
 
Carl D wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 9:23pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 9:01pm:
Only for Covid or for every respiratory illness like colds and the rest?


Measures to stop Covid would also be effective against other respiratory illnesses.

I thought that would be obvious seeing as they all spread in the same way.

As I've said before - the measures taken in 2020 and most of 2021 to stop Covid entering Australia and spreading were also effective against the flu.

After Australia's borders were closed (well, sort of) and quarantine for overseas arrivals started in late March 2020 I remember saying to one of the ladies at our local TerryWhite Chemmart when I was asking about the flu shot that I didn't think the flu was going to be a problem in Australia that year.

She said "Do you think so?" and I said "Yep".

And I was right.

And then we threw all that away from late 2021 onwards when the government gave up and surrendered to Covid (under pressure from big business) just like the rest of the world did.

Wasn't that because of those wonderful, tested and effective vaccines against covid?

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #1130 - Nov 16th, 2024 at 11:09pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 9:38pm:
Wasn't that because of those wonderful, tested and effective vaccines against covid?


Ah, yes - the good old "vax and relax" approach.

As effective as the vaccines are, our government should have known (and probably did know) that this was never going to be an effective 'strategy' against a constantly mutating SARS virus.

Especially after they must have seen what happened in the US, the UK, Canada and several other countries that tried the same thing ("vax and relax") before us and failed.

But, our government had to go with it anyway (no doubt under pressure from big business, as I said).

After it proved to be a failure with the result of having 25,000 Covid deaths (so far) and countless Long Covid cases (which are also increasing) our governments (Federal and State) have now taken the cowardly approach of going completely silent about everything Covid related even with continuing wave after wave of Covid and steadily increasing death and sickness numbers.

They're not even mentioning Covid in vaccination campaign ads as we've seen in the recent ads in WA and Queensland (and also in the UK, so I believe) in an attempt to evade accountability for the Covid disaster they've unleashed upon their populations.

As I've also said several times - let's see how good they are at getting everyone to believe H5N1 "bird flu" is "just a cold" like they've done with Covid. Mind you, with a population as stupid and selfish as the majority of Australians are it wouldn't surprise me at all if government manages to pull it off.

The first thing they will probably try is staying silent about H5N1 for as long as possible, especially with Christmas coming up (which is also the reason why I doubt we'll hear anything from government and the media about this latest XEC "I've never felt sicker in my life" Covid variant currently sweeping across Australia after being flown in from overseas, as usual).
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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #1131 - Nov 17th, 2024 at 2:00pm
 
carl thats way too long

no one is going to read that much about the sniffles

if it was cancer they might be prepared to read it but with the sniffles, they just want some tissues and a panadol

not a 1000 word lecture from a hypochondriac
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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #1132 - Nov 17th, 2024 at 2:31pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 17th, 2024 at 2:00pm:
carl thats way too long

no one is going to read that much about the sniffles

if it was cancer they might be prepared to read it but with the sniffles, they just want some tissues and a panadol

not a 1000 word lecture from a hypochondriac


I'm betting you read it.

All of it.

After all, why comment if you didn't?

And I see by your reply that you have nothing to refute what I've posted. As usual.

But, if you want something useful to do, please find us some proof that SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) is now just "the sniffles".

You'll find it in the same place as the proof that Covid is now just a "mild respiratory virus".

Good luck (you'll need it).

Thanks.  Smiley
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Reply #1133 - Nov 17th, 2024 at 2:56pm
 
no i didnt

too much word salad

keep it simple

"personal responsibility " has a nice ring to it .
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Reply #1134 - Nov 17th, 2024 at 3:20pm
 
You two are so funny Grin
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #1135 - Nov 17th, 2024 at 3:35pm
 
Only the first strain of Covid-19 was the really dangerous bioweapon -

it wiped out 100s of healthy young doctors and nurses in Italy who were caring for Covid patients.

The later mutant strains mostly wiped out nursing homes full of very old fragile people
at the end of their lives who would have died anyway if they had caught a common cold -
even died if they would have fallen out of bed on to soft carpet.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #1136 - Nov 17th, 2024 at 4:11pm
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 17th, 2024 at 3:20pm:
You two are so funny Grin


Why, thank you Jasin.

We aim to please.  Smiley

If you don't have time to stay around to see the inevitable conclusion of our latest 'exchange' I am going to predict it will end (as they always do) with aquascoot owing me another white flag.

Oh, wait...

aquascoot wrote on Nov 17th, 2024 at 2:56pm:
no i didnt

too much word salad

keep it simple

"personal responsibility " has a nice ring to it .


There it is. From the OzPolitic King of Word Salads, no less.  Roll Eyes

Just add it to the pile (of white flags). Thanks.  Smiley

Helpful hint (I may have mentioned this before): If you send all the white flags you me, Greg and Karnal at the same time you'll only need to make one trip to the Post Office and they may also give you a bulk discount.  Cool
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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #1137 - Nov 17th, 2024 at 6:54pm
 
Carl D wrote on Nov 17th, 2024 at 4:11pm:
Jasin wrote on Nov 17th, 2024 at 3:20pm:
You two are so funny Grin


Why, thank you Jasin.

We aim to please.  Smiley

If you don't have time to stay around to see the inevitable conclusion of our latest 'exchange' I am going to predict it will end (as they always do) with aquascoot owing me another white flag.

Oh, wait...

aquascoot wrote on Nov 17th, 2024 at 2:56pm:
no i didnt

too much word salad

keep it simple

"personal responsibility " has a nice ring to it .


There it is. From the OzPolitic King of Word Salads, no less.  Roll Eyes

Just add it to the pile (of white flags). Thanks.  Smiley

Helpful hint (I may have mentioned this before): If you send all the white flags you me, Greg and Karnal at the same time you'll only need to make one trip to the Post Office and they may also give you a bulk discount.  Cool



gweg and karnal are on suicide watch

trump derangement may take them out before they catch the sniffling virus  Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #1138 - Nov 23rd, 2024 at 9:33pm
 
No, I haven't forgotten.

The orderly slaughter of our elderly in Australian Aged Care continues while our governments remain silent and probably continue to rub their hands together with glee thinking about all the money they're saving on pensions and healthcare costs.

Another
12
Covid deaths in Australian Aged Care last week.

Cases and outbreaks are still on the increase.

https://x.com/BigBadDenis/status/1859806029887963181

Quote:
COVID-19 outbreaks in Australian residential aged care facilities: 21 November 2024

🔹Active cases: 1,393 (+79)
🔹Active outbreaks: 204 (+25)
🔹Residents: 1,025 (+22)
🔹Staff: 368 (+57)
🔹Reported deaths in 2024: 1,012 (+12)


https://x.com/BigBadDenis/status/1859806032878502113

Quote:
7,138 aged care COVID deaths since beginning of pandemic

🔸686 reported deaths in 2020
🔸226 reported deaths in 2021
🔸3,855 reported deaths in 2022
🔸1,359 reported deaths in 2023
🔸1,012 reported deaths in 2024


Disgraceful stuff.

I have to wonder -  if/when H5N1 "bird flu" becomes the next big pandemic (not far away now) will the government abandon the young like they have done/are still doing with Covid and the elderly?

Because it looks like H5N1 may sicken and kill a lot of younger people too.

Spoiler alert: Probably (after they try to stay silent about it as long as they possibly can - at least until after Christmas and the New Year anyway).
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Reply #1139 - Nov 23rd, 2024 at 10:35pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 10th, 2023 at 6:18pm:
The virus arose in the wet market, not a lab.


There is some middle ground.

Firstly there's the "wet market" theory.

But there's quite a bit of evidence that the virus escaped from a lab. That doesn't mean it was genetically engineered, or improved. What labs do, is breed viruses (or bacteria) so there is enough to test. The lab in Wuhan may have bred an otherwise very rare virus, and then through negligence allowed it out of the lab.

And there aren't just two options. There's also the possibility that Chinese scientists deliberately bred a virus which would affect Europeans the most, and then released it in China. But this requires that Chinese scientists are more advanced than Western ones (they padded the designed virus with end molecules to disguise it.)

Virus engineers aren't a big number of people. They're academics who don't want to waste time researching what has already been researched. They have little interest in international rivalry ... I could sum it up by saying they're scientists.

It is possible that virus scientists in China were bought off by government. But really not likely. The most likely explanation, in my opinion, is that the Wuhan lab was experimenting with the COVID virus, but negligently disposed of some of their stock.
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