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Reply #1140 - Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 10:44pm

Carl D wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 9:33pm:

No, I haven't forgotten.

The orderly slaughter of our elderly in Australian Aged Care continues while our governments remain silent and probably continue to rub their hands together with glee thinking about all the money they're saving on pensions and healthcare costs.

Another 12
Covid deaths in Australian Aged Care last week.

And what exactly do you think the government should do?

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #1141 - Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 11:04pm

Aurora Complexus wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 10:44pm:

And what exactly do you think the government should do?

Oh, gee... I dunno?

Perhaps mandatory (high quality, not 'baggy blue' surgical) masks in aged care , hospitals and all healthcare settings would be a good start?

Anyone working in healthcare or aged care who thinks this is too much of an imposition on their "comfort" or "freedom" or whatever (and there's lots of them, apparently) is obviously in the wrong line of work and should consider looking for other employment.

Here's an example (from the UK).

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Student with us on ward round today. Consultant masked, senior nurse masked. Student states “oh I don’t have to mask, that’s the rules”.

Hubris? Stupidity? Something else?

It keeps getting weirder.

It definitely does. And it's the same here in Australia.

Oh, and it would also help if the government (and the media) would end their "vow of silence" regarding everything Covid related these days (which is their cowardly way of attempting to escape accountability for their disastrous "vaccines only and let Covid rip" decision 3 years ago) and stop pretending that everything's fine and Covid doesn't exist anymore.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #1142 - Nov 24^th, 2024 at 12:03am

Carl D wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 11:04pm:

Aurora Complexus wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 10:44pm:

And what exactly do you think the government should do?

Oh, gee... I dunno?

Perhaps mandatory (high quality, not 'baggy blue' surgical) masks in aged care , hospitals and all healthcare settings would be a good start?

Anyone working in healthcare or aged care who thinks this is too much of an imposition on their "comfort" or "freedom" or whatever (and there's lots of them, apparently) is obviously in the wrong line of work and should consider looking for other employment.

Here's an example (from the UK).

Quote:

Student with us on ward round today. Consultant masked, senior nurse masked. Student states “oh I don’t have to mask, that’s the rules”.

Hubris? Stupidity? Something else?

It keeps getting weirder.

It definitely does. And it's the same here in Australia.

Oh, and it would also help if the government (and the media) would end their "vow of silence" regarding everything Covid related these days (which is their cowardly way of attempting to escape accountability for their disastrous "vaccines only and let Covid rip" decision 3 years ago) and stop pretending that everything's fine and Covid doesn't exist anymore.

OK, I agree with that. Government should definitely do more to protect nursing home and hospital residents.

I sometimes suffer ill health (being 60-something and with a long history of smoking drinking and other drug use, it's fairly predictable.) But I'm afraid of going to hospital, because among the diseases that are concentrated there, is COVID.

I'm vaccinated with boosters by the way. The selling point for me isn't just because I might get sick and die. I'm more concerned about getting infected and passing it on to my mother or father, who are both in their 90's.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #1143 - Nov 24^th, 2024 at 1:43am

And, we really must keep asking ourselves...

... what happened with this fraud?

https://x.com/AlboMP/status/1438663671283019780

Sep 17, 2021

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This morning I outlined our plan to tackle Covid and ensure we come out of this pandemic stronger than ever.

That was 8 months before the last Federal election which Albanese and the ALP won, of course.

And he had several more 'Tweets' at around about the same time criticising Scott Morrison's handling of the pandemic and how he (Albanese) and Labor had a 'plan' to deal with it.

So, what happened after the Federal election in May 2022? NOTHING.

In fact, Albanese and the ALP made things worse by gradually removing all remaining protections like masks, quarantine for overseas arrivals, testing and isolation, etc., etc.

And then, in cahoots with the State Premiers at one of their 'Secret Squirrel' National Cabinet meetings they all decided to take a vow of silence regarding everything Covid related from that point on so now the majority of the population believe Covid has 'gone away' or, at worst, it's now "just a cold".

The most incredible thing is - exactly the same thing happened in the US, the UK, Canada and nearly every other country in the world at almost the same time.

And the media worldwide has also taken a 'vow of silence' about Covid since late 2021 or early 2022.

And, it's absolutely incredible that when governments have changed - the Federal and some State governments here in Australia and, more recently, the UK government, NOTHING CHANGES REGARDING THE ONGOING PANDEMIC. Still the same 'conspiracy of silence' regarding all things Covid related from ALL the pollies, regardless of whatever political party they belong to.

Like Albanese, lots of talk while they're in Opposition. But when they win government nothing happens accompanied by the abovementioned 'conspiracy of silence'.

It was obviously planned in advance worldwide once it became obvious that SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) wasn't going to 'fizzle out' after a year or two like the original SARS did 20 years ago (that should have been a BIG warning) and people had to continue to die (and be disabled by 'Long Covid') for the economy.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #1144 - Nov 24^th, 2024 at 2:07am

Carl D wrote on Nov 24^th, 2024 at 1:43am:

And, we really must keep asking ourselves...

... what happened with this fraud?

https://x.com/AlboMP/status/1438663671283019780

Sep 17, 2021

Quote:

This morning I outlined our plan to tackle Covid and ensure we come out of this pandemic stronger than ever.

That was 8 months before the last Federal election which Albanese and the ALP won, of course.

And he had several more 'Tweets' at around about the same time criticising Scott Morrison's handling of the pandemic and how he (Albanese) and Labor had a 'plan' to deal with it.

So, what happened after the Federal election in May 2022? NOTHING.

In fact, Albanese and the ALP made things worse by gradually removing all remaining protections like masks, quarantine for overseas arrivals, testing and isolation, etc., etc.

And then, in cahoots with the State Premiers at one of their 'Secret Squirrel' National Cabinet meetings they all decided to take a vow of silence regarding everything Covid related from that point on so now the majority of the population believe Covid has 'gone away' or, at worst, it's now "just a cold".

The most incredible thing is - exactly the same thing happened in the US, the UK, Canada and nearly every other country in the world at almost the same time.

And the media worldwide has also taken a 'vow of silence' about Covid since late 2021 or early 2022.

And, it's absolutely incredible that when governments have changed - the Federal and some State governments here in Australia and, more recently, the UK government, NOTHING CHANGES REGARDING THE ONGOING PANDEMIC. Still the same 'conspiracy of silence' regarding all things Covid related from ALL the pollies, regardless of whatever political party they belong to.

Like Albanese, lots of talk while they're in Opposition. But when they win government nothing happens accompanied by the abovementioned 'conspiracy of silence'.

It was obviously planned in advance worldwide once it became obvious that SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) wasn't going to 'fizzle out' after a year or two like the original SARS did 20 years ago (that should have been a BIG warning) and people had to continue to die (and be disabled by 'Long Covid') for the economy.

Perhaps the leaders are concerned about the economy, and think all mask mandates are bad for the economy.

It was much easier in South Korea, where people were already accustomed to wearing masks when they thought they might have a cold, or when there was a cold around. Compulsory masking sat easy with them. South Korea had the best COVID outcome of any developed economy which wasn't an island (New Zealand had a better outcome, but they're islands.)

But masking does not sit easy with Australians. We're a lot like Americans, we feel safe when others keep their distance but we have blind spot for the circumstances (like standing in line) when we're seriously at risk of respiratory diseases. Perhaps there's a vanity factor too.

Rather ghoulishly perhaps, I'm curious what happens if another respiratory disease, with equal of worse fatality than COVID, should happen to break loose. I think world governments will bifurcate, into those willing to spend millions of lives for the sake of the economy, and those willing to "lock down" and to hell with the economy. So many governments have been overthrown, despite doing what I think was the right thing (lives over economy.) Incombent governments may be willing to roll the dice on a future infection, even if that kills half of humanity.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #1145 - Nov 24^th, 2024 at 8:01am

-Aurora Complexus wrote on Nov 24^th, 2024 at 2:07am:

Perhaps the leaders are concerned about the economy, and think all mask mandates are bad for the economy.

It was much easier in South Korea, where people were already accustomed to wearing masks when they thought they might have a cold, or when there was a cold around. Compulsory masking sat easy with them. South Korea had the best COVID outcome of any developed economy which wasn't an island (New Zealand had a better outcome, but they're islands.)

But masking does not sit easy with Australians. We're a lot like Americans, we feel safe when others keep their distance but we have blind spot for the circumstances (like standing in line) when we're seriously at risk of respiratory diseases. Perhaps there's a vanity factor too.

Rather ghoulishly perhaps, I'm curious what happens if another respiratory disease, with equal of worse fatality than COVID, should happen to break loose. I think world governments will bifurcate, into those willing to spend millions of lives for the sake of the economy, and those willing to "lock down" and to hell with the economy. So many governments have been overthrown, despite doing what I think was the right thing (lives over economy.) Incombent governments may be willing to roll the dice on a future infection, even if that kills half of humanity.

Exactly.

Governments such as ours (all Western governments, in fact) have deliberately 'sold' Covid (and flu, etc.) containment measures such as masks, isolation, etc. as restrictions rather than protections.

And selfish and gullible populations such as ours were more than happy to go along with it. Can't have anything interfering with our overseas holidays (especially Bali) now, can we?

It looks like the next big pandemic is getting ready to start - H5N1 "bird flu" which, at the moment, is a lot more dangerous and deadly than Covid. As I've said several times, our governments may have a bit more difficulty convincing (almost) everyone that H5N1 is "just a cold" like they've done with Covid but I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if they succeed eventually.

As a perfect example of how governments have been trying to pretend Covid is over look no further than here:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1609817412/2156#2156

Western Australia's 5.2 million dollar "Don't Assume You're Immune" vaccination advertising campaign which ran on TV and in the newspapers a few months back.

They mention making sure you're up to date with all of your vaccinations except for COVID-19. Not a mention of Covid anywhere. When someone asked the WA Department of Health "why?", a spokesperson said the omission of Covid was "based on consumer research". Yeah, right.

This "omission" was despite the fact that from January 1st to July 31st this year there were 260 Covid deaths but "only" 14 flu deaths and 0 RSV deaths in WA.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1609817412/2171#2171

Queensland also did the same thing (no mention of Covid at all) in their vaccination advertising campaign which they started just after WA's and I also believe the UK's "new" government did it too - not a word about Covid even though it's still killing a lot more people than the flu and other illnesses.

Totally unreal... it feels like I'm living in an episode of The Twilight Zone.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #1147 - Nov 29^th, 2024 at 11:29pm

Another 21
Covid deaths in Australian Aged Care this week.

https://x.com/BigBadDenis/status/1862314720558293424

Outbreaks and cases still on the increase.

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COVID-19 outbreaks in Australian residential aged care facilities: 28 November 2024

🔹Active cases: 1,377 (+29)
🔹Active outbreaks: 237 (+42)
🔹Residents: 1,016 (+19)
🔹Staff: 361 (+10)
🔹Reported deaths in 2024: 1,033 (+21)

https://x.com/BigBadDenis/status/1862314723766935969

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7,159 aged care COVID deaths since beginning of pandemic

🔸686 reported deaths in 2020
🔸226 reported deaths in 2021
🔸3,855 reported deaths in 2022
🔸1,359 reported deaths in 2023
🔸1,033 reported deaths in 2024

Not that anyone seems to care, of course (too busy with stupid "Black Friday"/"Cyber Monday" sales and Christmas/New Year coming up).

And the pollies are undoubtedly still counting all the money they're saving on pensions and healthcare costs (while distracting everyone with stupid things like social media bans for under 16's).

Disgraceful stuff.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #1148 - Nov 29^th, 2024 at 11:36pm

Carl D wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 11:29pm:

Another 21
Covid deaths in Australian Aged Care this week.

https://x.com/BigBadDenis/status/1862314720558293424

Outbreaks and cases still on the increase.

Quote:

COVID-19 outbreaks in Australian residential aged care facilities: 28 November 2024

🔹Active cases: 1,377 (+29)
🔹Active outbreaks: 237 (+42)
🔹Residents: 1,016 (+19)
🔹Staff: 361 (+10)
🔹Reported deaths in 2024: 1,033 (+21)

https://x.com/BigBadDenis/status/1862314723766935969

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7,159 aged care COVID deaths since beginning of pandemic

🔸686 reported deaths in 2020
🔸226 reported deaths in 2021
🔸3,855 reported deaths in 2022
🔸1,359 reported deaths in 2023
🔸1,033 reported deaths in 2024

Not that anyone seems to care, of course (too busy with stupid "Black Friday"/"Cyber Monday" sales and Christmas/New Year coming up).

And the pollies are undoubtedly still counting all the money they're saving on pensions and healthcare costs (while distracting everyone with stupid things like social media bans for under 16's).

Disgraceful stuff.

ABS data shows median age for covid deaths is over 83 years of age.

How many old people in aged care Carl?

My Aunt has caught covid twice in aged care she is still alive despite refusing any vax boosters beyond the 2 she had to have.

I tell her to get outside in the sun her Vit D levels are pretty good.

Numerous studies have shown severe covid is linked to low Vit D levels your immune system needs Vit D to function.

Have peple bothered to kepp up to date and read this stuff or do they still believe the lies they were told in the media and by politicians?

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #1149 - Nov 29^th, 2024 at 11:46pm

1. How many Aged Care Covid deaths would there be in Australia if our governments had done their job and stopped the virus entering the country and then letting it rip?

2. How many total Covid deaths would there be in Australia if our governments had done their job and stopped the virus entering the country and then letting it rip?

Answers:

1. ZERO (instead of 7,159 and counting).

2. ZERO (instead of 25,000 plus and counting).

Go ahead and try to prove me wrong.

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Reply #1150 - Nov 30^th, 2024 at 8:50am

Where is the acknowledgement of all these ongoing Covid deaths and condolences offered to the families by our pollies?

Why are all the pollies from our spineless PM down (and the media) afraid to even say the "C(ovid)" word anymore?

As I've said many times before - if 21 elderly Australians had died in a bus crash last week it would be all over the news for at least a week.

And Albanese would be there offering his fake condolences (and taking a few more 'selfies' to add to the collection).

Disgraceful stuff.

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Carl D Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9500 Rivervale, Perth Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #1151 - Nov 30^th, 2024 at 11:01am And.. I am still wondering if the government is taking the piss or they're just terminally stupid when they keep putting "BE COVIDSAFE" on these reports every week? Probably a bit of both. "Inconsiderate" would be the politest way for me to descibe it.
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Reply #1152 - Nov 30^th, 2024 at 6:13pm

We could do with another pandemic.
You know. One that is ten times as deadly and spreadable than Covid. Wipe out a few billion or more.
The timing is just right.
WHO sends out the alarm and the world goes "not that trick again" because Covid wasn't really as pandemic and terrible. It turned out to be a real fizzer and seemed to be over once Hospital patient Joe Biden got in power.
The timing is right because the world will ignore it. No lockdowns, etc .
...until it is way too late to be effective.

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Reply #1153 - Nov 30^th, 2024 at 6:32pm

Carl D wrote on Nov 30^th, 2024 at 8:50am:

Where is the acknowledgement of all these ongoing Covid deaths and condolences offered to the families by our pollies?

Why are all the pollies from our spineless PM down (and the media) afraid to even say the "C(ovid)" word anymore?

As I've said many times before - if 21 elderly Australians had died in a bus crash last week it would be all over the news for at least a week.

And Albanese would be there offering his fake condolences (and taking a few more 'selfies' to add to the collection).

Disgraceful stuff.

nope

if 21 school kids died in a bus crash it would.

you think way too highly of yourself

most people who go to a funeral are thinking about the traffic, or what to cook for tea tonight before they get to their car , before they get out the door of the funeral service .

to the vast majority ,an old person dying in a nursing home is less traumatic then a koala dying crossing the motorway.

get some humility please

get a dose of realism

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Reply #1154 - Nov 30^th, 2024 at 8:15pm

Jasin wrote on Nov 30^th, 2024 at 6:13pm:

We could do with another pandemic.
You know. One that is ten times as deadly and spreadable than Covid. Wipe out a few billion or more.
The timing is just right.
WHO sends out the alarm and the world goes "not that trick again" because Covid wasn't really as pandemic and terrible. It turned out to be a real fizzer and seemed to be over once Hospital patient Joe Biden got in power.
The timing is right because the world will ignore it. No lockdowns, etc .
...until it is way too late to be effective.

It's already on the way... H5N1 "bird flu" which is about to mutate into 'full blown' human to human transmission (i.e. airborne). If it hasn't already - and some believe it has.

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