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Carl D Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9558 Rivervale, Perth Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #180 - May 31^st, 2023 at 5:22pm aquascoot wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 5:19pm: no it tells you that YOU are in the vast MINORITY this is usually refered to as a cult As I said... get back to me in about 6 months time (maybe even less than that) and we'll see who's been right all along.
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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #181 - May 31^st, 2023 at 6:42pm

Carl D wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 4:47pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 1:19pm:

Carl D wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 11:28am:

Oh, aquascoot... while I'm here... I saw somewhere earlier this morning where someone was preparing a petition to the Federal government asking for mandatory masks to be reinstated in hospitals and all healthcare settings Australia wide.

I can't find it again at the moment but when I do I'll let you know just in case you and wife would like to sign it.

she will probably be too busy looking after entitled old hypochondriacs to sign it.

bring it in if they like,

they cant attract staff at the moment, so wearing a mask all day should see more early retirements.

and the young nurses have NO interest in cleaning up after the old demented incontient patients.

so looks like the government will have to start training nurses in voluntary assisted dying

oh wait

they are

I'm sure you'll be pleased to learn that the petition didn't even get off the ground.

https://twitter.com/Mirella_PhD/status/1663789222137036802

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Mandating Masks In Healthcare: I will be ENDING this campaign as I can't even get 100+ likes, let alone more than several supportive comments - Few care to even spend 1 second placing a like

No wonder Govts can let it rip

No wonder indeed.

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That’s because the vast majority of Westerners are Naive, Selfish, & Cavalier.

Yes, that's it. 100% correct.

If you want to wear a mask go ahead it just proves you're a bedwetting science denier.

Masks don't work there is no evidence they work for respiratory virus it's unlikely they will ever have mandates for these again.

Data from Random Control Trials (RCT) is conclusive masks are useless for covid.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #182 - May 31^st, 2023 at 7:00pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 6:42pm:

Masks don't work there is no evidence they work for respiratory virus ...

One day, you might say something that's correct.

Today isn't that day, sweetheart.

"A total of 21 studies met our inclusion criteria. Meta-analyses suggest that mask use provided a significant protective effect (OR = 0.35 and 95% CI = 0.24–0.51). Use of masks by healthcare workers (HCWs) and non-healthcare workers (Non-HCWs) can reduce the risk of respiratory virus infection by 80% (OR = 0.20, 95% CI = 0.11–0.37) and 47% (OR = 0.53, 95% CI = 0.36–0.79). The protective effect of wearing masks in Asia (OR = 0.31) appeared to be higher than that of Western countries (OR = 0.45). Masks had a protective effect against influenza viruses (OR = 0.55), SARS (OR = 0.26), and SARS-CoV-2 (OR = 0.04). In the subgroups based on different study designs, protective effects of wearing mask were significant in cluster randomized trials and observational studies."

Efficacy of face mask in preventing respiratory virus transmission: A systematic review and meta-analysis

Conclusions

This study adds additional evidence of the enhanced protective value of masks.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #183 - May 31^st, 2023 at 7:08pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 7:00pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 6:42pm:

Masks don't work there is no evidence they work for respiratory virus ...

One day, you might say something that's correct.

Today isn't that day, sweetheart.

"A total of 21 studies met our inclusion criteria. Meta-analyses suggest that mask use provided a significant protective effect (OR = 0.35 and 95% CI = 0.24–0.51). Use of masks by healthcare workers (HCWs) and non-healthcare workers (Non-HCWs) can reduce the risk of respiratory virus infection by 80% (OR = 0.20, 95% CI = 0.11–0.37) and 47% (OR = 0.53, 95% CI = 0.36–0.79). The protective effect of wearing masks in Asia (OR = 0.31) appeared to be higher than that of Western countries (OR = 0.45). Masks had a protective effect against influenza viruses (OR = 0.55), SARS (OR = 0.26), and SARS-CoV-2 (OR = 0.04). In the subgroups based on different study designs, protective effects of wearing mask were significant in cluster randomized trials and observational studies."

Efficacy of face mask in preventing respiratory virus transmission: A systematic review and meta-analysis

Conclusions

This study adds additional evidence of the enhanced protective value of masks.

RCT are Random Controlled Trials the highest standard for evidence.

Masks don't work.

Dodgey studies are not the same standard as RCT which are gold standard.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #184 - May 31^st, 2023 at 7:09pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 6:42pm:

Masks don't work there is no evidence they work for respiratory virus it's unlikely they will ever have mandates for these again.

Believe an uneducated internet troll, or 21 scientific studies? Undecided

"A total of 21 studies met our inclusion criteria. Meta-analyses suggest that mask use provided a significant protective effect (OR = 0.35 and 95% CI = 0.24–0.51). Use of masks by healthcare workers (HCWs) and non-healthcare workers (Non-HCWs) can reduce the risk of respiratory virus infection by 80% (OR = 0.20, 95% CI = 0.11–0.37) and 47% (OR = 0.53, 95% CI = 0.36–0.79). The protective effect of wearing masks in Asia (OR = 0.31) appeared to be higher than that of Western countries (OR = 0.45). Masks had a protective effect against influenza viruses (OR = 0.55), SARS (OR = 0.26), and SARS-CoV-2 (OR = 0.04). In the subgroups based on different study designs, protective effects of wearing mask were significant in cluster randomized trials and observational studies."

Efficacy of face mask in preventing respiratory virus transmission: A systematic review and meta-analysis

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This study adds additional evidence of the enhanced protective value of masks.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #185 - May 31^st, 2023 at 7:09pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 6:42pm:

Masks don't work there is no evidence they work for respiratory virus it's unlikely they will ever have mandates for these again.

Wrong again, sweety.

"A total of 21 studies met our inclusion criteria. Meta-analyses suggest that mask use provided a significant protective effect (OR = 0.35 and 95% CI = 0.24–0.51). Use of masks by healthcare workers (HCWs) and non-healthcare workers (Non-HCWs) can reduce the risk of respiratory virus infection by 80% (OR = 0.20, 95% CI = 0.11–0.37) and 47% (OR = 0.53, 95% CI = 0.36–0.79). The protective effect of wearing masks in Asia (OR = 0.31) appeared to be higher than that of Western countries (OR = 0.45). Masks had a protective effect against influenza viruses (OR = 0.55), SARS (OR = 0.26), and SARS-CoV-2 (OR = 0.04). In the subgroups based on different study designs, protective effects of wearing mask were significant in cluster randomized trials and observational studies."

Efficacy of face mask in preventing respiratory virus transmission: A systematic review and meta-analysis

Conclusions

This study adds additional evidence of the enhanced protective value of masks.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #186 - May 31^st, 2023 at 7:28pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 7:09pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 6:42pm:

Masks don't work there is no evidence they work for respiratory virus it's unlikely they will ever have mandates for these again.

Wrong again, sweety.

"A total of 21 studies met our inclusion criteria. Meta-analyses suggest that mask use provided a significant protective effect (OR = 0.35 and 95% CI = 0.24–0.51). Use of masks by healthcare workers (HCWs) and non-healthcare workers (Non-HCWs) can reduce the risk of respiratory virus infection by 80% (OR = 0.20, 95% CI = 0.11–0.37) and 47% (OR = 0.53, 95% CI = 0.36–0.79). The protective effect of wearing masks in Asia (OR = 0.31) appeared to be higher than that of Western countries (OR = 0.45). Masks had a protective effect against influenza viruses (OR = 0.55), SARS (OR = 0.26), and SARS-CoV-2 (OR = 0.04). In the subgroups based on different study designs, protective effects of wearing mask were significant in cluster randomized trials and observational studies."

Efficacy of face mask in preventing respiratory virus transmission: A systematic review and meta-analysis

Conclusions

This study adds additional evidence of the enhanced protective value of masks.

you breath through a mask onto a glass what do you see ?? How is that stopping a virus Cheesy

LOL

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #187 - May 31^st, 2023 at 7:37pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 6:42pm:

If you want to wear a mask go ahead it just proves you're a bedwetting science denier.

https://twitter.com/DoencaProf/status/1663743879798214658 (this is a parody account, btw)

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Condoms, seatbelts, safety goggles, harnesses = signs people are living in fear.

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Not eating raw chicken = living in fear .

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And don’t start me on safety fencing on cliffs

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Fencing off swimming pools has destroyed many a garden aesthetic.

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Bungee cords… 😆

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Sunscreen, gyms, soap, back up cameras, shoes, umbrellas, guns, insulin, viagra.

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Helmets are soooooo restricting and ugly!!!! I far prefer to ride my horse with the wind in my hair and the sun burning my face!!!!

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Seatbelts/harnesses = torso nappies
Safety goggles = eye nappies
Helmets = head nappies
Condoms = 🍆 nappies

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safety boots = toe nappies
hearing protection = ear nappies
personal gas detectors ( NH3, H2S, S02, CO, HCN, 02 depletion ) = lung nappies
welders hoods = eye nappies (ask ScoMo)
electrical safety switches = heart nappies
fume cupboards = lung nappies

And, you've brought up the Cochrane Review.... again...

Yes, masks reduce the risk of spreading COVID, despite a review saying they don’t

You're welcome (again).

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #188 - May 31^st, 2023 at 7:39pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 7:09pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 6:42pm:

Masks don't work there is no evidence they work for respiratory virus it's unlikely they will ever have mandates for these again.

Believe an uneducated internet troll, or 21 scientific studies? Undecided

Efficacy of face mask in preventing respiratory virus transmission: A systematic review and meta-analysis

I doubt anyone with more than half a functioning brain will believe a dickhead troll like you.

From your link

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4.5. Limitations and future perspective

The present meta-analysis still has several limitations. First, well-designed high-quality prospective studies and studies of masking in the general public are still insufficient.

Fourth, control subjects without masking are generally lacking in studies conducted in healthcare settings mainly due to the ethical issue.

We have current Random Controlled Trials (RCT) of masked vs unmasked which your link doesn't have any data on. What is the date on you link how much older and obsolete is it compared to Cochrane report?

Thanks for proving to everyone what a dopey dickhead troll you are. I don't know why i waste my time with dopey trolls like you
Cheesy

Masks don't work case closed only an idiot would argue against RCT data.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105333 Melbourne Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #189 - May 31^st, 2023 at 7:41pm People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia - so the vaccines were fake.
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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #190 - May 31^st, 2023 at 7:54pm

Sir lastnail wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 7:28pm:

you breath through a mask onto a glass what do you see ?? How is that stopping a virus Cheesy

LOL

I see gas molecules that are way, way smaller than virus particles.

I suspect you've been looking at too many of those "BRAVE ENOUGH TO INJECT UNKNOWN SUBSTANCES BUT AFRAID TO BREATH AIR" stupid memes you post here from time to time.

Or are you the creator of them? Undecided

And the gas molecules being so small is the reason why you can smell things like cigarette smoke and cooking smells (yes, even farts) through masks.

We've been through this many times on here.

Can You Still Smell Odours Through N95 Mask?

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You can still smell odours through N95 masks because the gas molecules are small enough to fit through the filters. N95 face masks are designed to stop viral-type diseases, such as COVID19, from spreading. While it can protect against large and smaller particles, the filtration isn’t enough to stop gas molecules.

(I notice Baronvonrort 'sailed' right past my previous post where I mentioned the Cochrane Review and he's posted the same image again) Roll Eyes

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #191 - May 31^st, 2023 at 8:00pm

Carl D wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 7:54pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 7:28pm:

you breath through a mask onto a glass what do you see ?? How is that stopping a virus Cheesy

LOL

I see gas molecules that are way, way smaller than virus particles.

I suspect you've been looking at too many of those "BRAVE ENOUGH TO INJECT UNKNOWN SUBSTANCES BUT AFRAID TO BREATH AIR" stupid memes you post here from time to time.

Or are you the creator of them? Undecided

And the gas molecules being so small is the reason why you can smell things like cigarette smoke and cooking smells (yes, even farts) through masks.

We've been through this many times on here.

Can You Still Smell Odours Through N95 Mask?

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You can still smell odours through N95 masks because the gas molecules are small enough to fit through the filters. N95 face masks are designed to stop viral-type diseases, such as COVID19, from spreading. While it can protect against large and smaller particles, the filtration isn’t enough to stop gas molecules.

So these bio hazard suits are totally pointless carl ?? Why don't we test an ordinary paper mask on you in a bio hazard environment and see if you are right carl ? Cheesy

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105333 Melbourne Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #192 - May 31^st, 2023 at 8:01pm Carl, viruses are so small that they can't be seen even with the most powerful optical microscopes. Even electron microscopes don't take clear pictures of viruses.
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Reply #193 - May 31^st, 2023 at 8:05pm

Multiple scientific studies, or a couple of internet trolls who barely graduated from primary school - who to believe? Undecided

"A total of 21 studies met our inclusion criteria. Meta-analyses suggest that mask use provided a significant protective effect (OR = 0.35 and 95% CI = 0.24–0.51). Use of masks by healthcare workers (HCWs) and non-healthcare workers (Non-HCWs) can reduce the risk of respiratory virus infection by 80% (OR = 0.20, 95% CI = 0.11–0.37) and 47% (OR = 0.53, 95% CI = 0.36–0.79). The protective effect of wearing masks in Asia (OR = 0.31) appeared to be higher than that of Western countries (OR = 0.45). Masks had a protective effect against influenza viruses (OR = 0.55), SARS (OR = 0.26), and SARS-CoV-2 (OR = 0.04). In the subgroups based on different study designs, protective effects of wearing mask were significant in cluster randomized trials and observational studies."

Efficacy of face mask in preventing respiratory virus transmission: A systematic review and meta-analysis

Conclusions

This study adds additional evidence of the enhanced protective value of masks.

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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30089 Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #194 - May 31^st, 2023 at 8:07pm Bobby. wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 8:01pm: Carl, viruses are so small that they can't be seen even with the most powerful optical microscopes. Even electron microscopes don't take clear pictures of viruses. carl can see them with his magnifying glass LOL
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