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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #630 - Feb 11^th, 2024 at 4:36pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11^th, 2024 at 3:47pm:

JC Denton wrote on Feb 11^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

JC Denton wrote on Feb 11^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

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Most people who die from COVID now are either very old or have significant health problems that are a burden on the health system.

always were bro

Not always.

The earlier strains were more lethal to the young - kids were dying from COVID.

That's rare now.

My main point still stands: the government (system) wants old and sick people - on the pension and sickness benefits - to die.

no lol

they were always waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more lethal to old people than young people, unless youre saying that the older strains were a bit more lethal to the young than newer ones are, not saying that the older strains were in absolute terms more deadly to young ppl than older people

death rate always looked about like this, even in april 2020

https://i.imgur.com/ogGBlZX.jpeg

when you subtract obese people, it gets even less deadly for everyone

You're completely missing the point.

For the sake of the argument, let's say that COVID has never killed a child. It has never killed a healthy person. It has never killed anyone under 90 years of age. It has never .... fill in the blanks. You are 100% right, and are the true master of the universe. There, now we can move on.

My main point still stands: the government (system) wants old and sick people - on the pension and sickness benefits - to die.

It benefits them, and thus they encourage it.

if the govt wanted really wanted old ppl to die, then they should have just let covid rip in 2020 rather than do absolutely everything they could to reduce the infection rate

but even then it would have been a crappy plan - bc covid is simply too piss weak to kill that many old people anyway

the reason we don't have any covid protections anymore is bc everyone got bored of the SimCrisis larp and didn't want to play it anymore. if they did and there was still an appetite for covid doomerism in australia and abroad, we would still be locked down. it was a novelty and a bit of a meme, but like all fads and trends it got old after a while.

ofc people are still dying from it, but no one can quantify just how many because no one is checking/testing anymore anyway. it's all obviously enormously hypocritical and illogical but don't tell that to me tell that to the people who desperately demanded lockdowns in 2020-2021 and now pretend like covid doesn't exist at all in 2024

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #631 - Feb 11^th, 2024 at 5:13pm

JC Denton wrote on Feb 11^th, 2024 at 4:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11^th, 2024 at 3:47pm:

JC Denton wrote on Feb 11^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

JC Denton wrote on Feb 11^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

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Most people who die from COVID now are either very old or have significant health problems that are a burden on the health system.

always were bro

Not always.

The earlier strains were more lethal to the young - kids were dying from COVID.

That's rare now.

My main point still stands: the government (system) wants old and sick people - on the pension and sickness benefits - to die.

no lol

they were always waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more lethal to old people than young people, unless youre saying that the older strains were a bit more lethal to the young than newer ones are, not saying that the older strains were in absolute terms more deadly to young ppl than older people

death rate always looked about like this, even in april 2020

https://i.imgur.com/ogGBlZX.jpeg

when you subtract obese people, it gets even less deadly for everyone

You're completely missing the point.

For the sake of the argument, let's say that COVID has never killed a child. It has never killed a healthy person. It has never killed anyone under 90 years of age. It has never .... fill in the blanks. You are 100% right, and are the true master of the universe. There, now we can move on.

My main point still stands: the government (system) wants old and sick people - on the pension and sickness benefits - to die.

It benefits them, and thus they encourage it.

if the govt wanted really wanted old ppl to die, then they should have just let covid rip in 2020 rather than do absolutely everything they could to reduce the infection rate

but even then it would have been a crappy plan - bc covid is simply too piss weak to kill that many old people anyway

the reason we don't have any covid protections anymore is bc everyone got bored of the SimCrisis larp and didn't want to play it anymore. if they did and there was still an appetite for covid doomerism in australia and abroad, we would still be locked down. it was a novelty and a bit of a meme, but like all fads and trends it got old after a while.

ofc people are still dying from it, but no one can quantify just how many because no one is checking/testing anymore anyway. it's all obviously enormously hypocritical and illogical but don't tell that to me tell that to the people who desperately demanded lockdowns in 2020-2021 and now pretend like covid doesn't exist at all in 2024

very true

10/10

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Carl D Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9286 Rivervale, Perth Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #632 - Feb 11^th, 2024 at 11:03pm Here's something else that's very true and scores 10/10. Tim the ex virologist sums things up pretty well about how screwed up this country is at the moment. https://nitter.poast.org/LettersfromTim/status/1756609967657029835#m In case the link doesn't work here's a screenshot:
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Jasin Gold Member Online Posts: 47329 Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #633 - Feb 11^th, 2024 at 11:11pm COUGH ON A CHINESE PERSON - FOR GOOD LUCK & FORTUNE.
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Jasin Gold Member Online Posts: 47329 Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #634 - Feb 11^th, 2024 at 11:19pm ...remember, 100 years ago. That Pandemic was swept under the rug as well. People, Newspapers, etc - all no longer talked about it. While millions still died.
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Reply #635 - Feb 16^th, 2024 at 6:55pm

This week's Covid report in Light's "post-pandemic" Australia.

61
deaths from the States that are still reporting, another 34 in Victoria.

Aged care deaths continue unabated - 167 deaths so far in just a month and a half.

Meanwhile, for those who keep telling us that "hitting the gym" and "keeping fit" is the best way to deal with Covid:

Long COVID can destroy your ability to exercise. Now we know why.

As a new study shows, the answer lies in some long COVID sufferers’ muscle damage and their bodies’ ability to make energy.

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For many people with long COVID, a major symptom is difficulty with exercising, because when these patients push past their limits it can lead to a devastating cycle of fatigue that boosts the risk of worsening their condition.

These issues with exercise, which is known as post-exertional malaise (PEM), are also the defining symptoms of myalgic encephalomyelitis / chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS).

Now a new study, published in the journal Nature Communications, provides an explanation for this feeling of exhaustion, suggesting that patients with long COVID experience a range of changes in their body after exercising, including widespread muscle damage, changes in muscle composition, and disrupted energy metabolism.

This study “actually shows the damage” to the body that is being caused by post-exertional malaise, says Lucinda Bateman, a physician at the Bateman Horne Center, who specializes in treating patients with ME/CFS and long COVID. As Bateman notes, this includes showing “the inflammation, the damage, the scarring, the clots,” which are all found in the muscles of long COVID patients. Researchers also found differences in the activity of the mitochondria—the body’s microscopic energy factories—following exercise.

But... but... it's "just a cold" now, right?

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #636 - Feb 16^th, 2024 at 7:18pm

JC Denton wrote on Feb 11^th, 2024 at 4:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11^th, 2024 at 3:47pm:

JC Denton wrote on Feb 11^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

JC Denton wrote on Feb 11^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

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Most people who die from COVID now are either very old or have significant health problems that are a burden on the health system.

always were bro

Not always.

The earlier strains were more lethal to the young - kids were dying from COVID.

That's rare now.

My main point still stands: the government (system) wants old and sick people - on the pension and sickness benefits - to die.

no lol

they were always waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more lethal to old people than young people, unless youre saying that the older strains were a bit more lethal to the young than newer ones are, not saying that the older strains were in absolute terms more deadly to young ppl than older people

death rate always looked about like this, even in april 2020

https://i.imgur.com/ogGBlZX.jpeg

when you subtract obese people, it gets even less deadly for everyone

You're completely missing the point.

For the sake of the argument, let's say that COVID has never killed a child. It has never killed a healthy person. It has never killed anyone under 90 years of age. It has never .... fill in the blanks. You are 100% right, and are the true master of the universe. There, now we can move on.

My main point still stands: the government (system) wants old and sick people - on the pension and sickness benefits - to die.

It benefits them, and thus they encourage it.

if the govt wanted really wanted old ppl to die, ...

Oh, but they do.

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AusGeoff Gold Member Offline Sage of Gippsland Posts: 5999 Victoria Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #637 - Feb 16^th, 2024 at 8:56pm Carl D wrote on Feb 16^th, 2024 at 6:55pm: This week's Covid report in Light's "post-pandemic" Australia. ... But... but... it's "just a cold" now, right? Thanks for the update Carl.
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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #638 - May 17^th, 2024 at 7:38pm

In case anyone's still interested.

Nobody knows exactly how many Covid deaths (or cases) there are in Australia every week now because the States are no longer reporting them - or they only report them monthly (usually buried away in an obscure corner of their Health Department websites).

But, there were 40
Covid deaths in aged care around Australia last week which is a huge increase over the 10 to 15 weekly deaths since the start of this year.

https://x.com/LettersfromTim/status/1791387575451795555

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40 Australians died in Residential Aged Care in the last 7 days

2,150 residents and

960 staff all infected with COVID

THIS is a National CRISIS

Meanwhile @AlboMP
and @Mark_Butler_MP
are doing NOTHING

Yes, it is a National CRISIS
Yes, Albanese and Butler continue to do NOTHING.

And the useless Federal Minister for Aged Care (and Sport), Anika Wells, also continues to do NOTHING.

But, as long as the economy is 'chugging along' (for the moment) and the mindless masses can enjoy their Netflix, footy and Bali holidays nothing else matters (to them), eh?

"BE COVIDSAFE"? I don't think so, especially not in any Australian Aged Care facility right now.

Oh, and in case anyone hasn't noticed yet - Australia is having another massive Covid surge (thanks to another new variant or variants brought here from overseas) but you won't hear about it from the pollies or the mainstream media of course.

Just in time for winter with it's usual flu and other respiratory illnesses and an uninformed population the majority of whom can't be bothered to take even the slightest precautions to protect themselves and others.

Disgraceful stuff.

Let's see what happens if/when H5N1 "bird flu" mutates into a human to human transmission variant (not far away now I'm guessing) with a 50% fatality rate. Should be interesting to say the least.

I'm also guessing it won't be too easy for the pollies and big business to BS everyone into believing H5N1 is "just a cold" like they've done with SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19).

As I've said before... if we get human to human transmission of H5N1 with a 50% fatality rate the pollies won't need to be too afraid to mandate masks, quarantine, lockdowns and other protections like they are nowadays with Covid and the flu, etc.

The majority will start doing those things without any government mandates once they see people starting to drop like flies which, sadly, will probably be about the only thing that will wake them up.

Also...

https://x.com/pjfred60/status/1791391746674524287

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@AnikaWells
Do you have any words of consolation to those 40 families who have lost a loved one directly from covid this week? I'm pretty sure if a bus load of pensioners died together in a road accident we'd hear something from you or @AlboMP
or @Mark_Butler_MP
Need to do more.

No, of course she doesn't.

And, yes... I'm sure we'd hear from them if it was a busload of pensioners in a road accident. Even if it's for no other reason than another photo op for Albanese (and another distraction from his almost legendary incompetence).

And, yes... they need to do more (which wouldn't be too hard seeing as they're doing NOTHING at the momemt - except perhaps rubbing their hands together with glee thinking about all the money they're saving on pensions and healthcare costs).

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #639 - May 18^th, 2024 at 10:38am

We were told by the pollies that the elderly and other medically vulnerable people would be protected when Australia opened up it's borders and let Covid rip.

They lied.

People can't even get safe access to healthcare anymore because doctors and staff won't even put on a mask "Wahhhh... masks are too uncomfortable". If that's the case then maybe the antimaskers should consider a new career outside of health care - where part of the job should be that they're supposed to be responsible for patients' health and wellbeing.

Don't forget - Federal election next year and it's time to take out the trash... starting with the three pieces of human (and I use the term loosely) garbage that I mentioned in my previous post - Albanese, Butler and Wells.

And Butler.... medically vulnerable people who cannot tolerate the Covid mRNA vaccines are still waiting for Novavax to arrive in Australia and become available. Any chance of that happening in the near future before too many more of them 'drop off the perch'?

Nah, didn't think so (more pension and healthcare costs savings is all he's thinking about these days, same as Albanese and Wells).

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #640 - May 18^th, 2024 at 11:49pm

Speaking of H5N1 "bird flu"...

Raw Milk Sales Skyrocket as Idiots Believe Drinking Bird Flu Will Give Them 'Immunity'

Pasteurization kills H5N1, but raw milk has "high concentrations" of the virus. Please don't drink raw milk.

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Sales of raw milk in the U.S. have risen 21% since bird flu was first confirmed in dairy cattle in late March, according to a report from PBS Newshour, citing new data from research firm NielsenIQ. Why on Earth would people drink raw milk at a time when pasteurization has been shown to kill the virus? Because some people believe intentionally being exposed to H5N1 will give them “immunity” to the disease. Seriously.

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While there have been no known cases of human-to-human transmission of the virus, that has the potential to change if mutations occur. The World Health Organization has globally identified 889 human cases and 463 deaths from H5N1 since 2003, putting the mortality rate at roughly 52%.

We really are the most stupid species on the planet, aren't we?

And the United States seems to have more stupid people than anywhere else in the world.

From 4 years ago...

Coronavirus: Man dies taking fish tank cleaner as virus drug

Coronavirus: Outcry after Trump suggests injecting disinfectant as treatment

Unbelievable.

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Reply #641 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 7:59am

Things like this (and they're extremely common these days) are the reason why we're in the current sh!tshow with Covid and the flu, etc. here in Australia.

https://x.com/NjbBari3/status/1792835057755058232

Dr. Noor Bari.
MBBS BSc Hons Infectious Diseases.

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@NSWCHO

I am in a situation that could only be true as a comedy skit.

It’s autumn going into a nasty winter.

Waves are rising of many viruses.

I’m in a medical centre.

Everyone is coughing and has a runny nose.

No one is in a mask of any sort.

If you don't have an X/Twitter account here's the whole thread.

https://nitter.poast.org/NjbBari3/status/1792835057755058232#m

If that doesn't work then here's the rest of it:

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The doctor is sick and unmasked

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The pathology person is sick and unmasked

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The receptionist is sick and unmasked

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All the patients, the patients parents friends and relatives are sick, and unmasked

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I’m pretty sure that if advice is not achieving the outcome needed, then mandates are required when winter hospital overwhelm looms.

Yes, agreed. But our governments are now too gutless to mandate masks and other Covid/flu/etc. protections. Even in hospitals and other healthcare places.

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Countdown to the article about the person that died in the ED waiting room.

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Tick tock @RyanPark_Keira

He's the NSW Minister for "Health", by the way (Ryan Park MP).

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Yes, there is a point to mask if everyone is sick.

They probably don’t all have the same virus. Turning up with one virus and leaving with three is more likely to result in a trip to ED

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Oh my word.

An entire family of mask wearers have turned up now… and they are in baggy blues… in this environment.

Snowflakes and hot places spring to mind. Poor things.

Another public health promotion failure. Where are the TV ads for respirators? And kid respirators?

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snow ball rather...

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One tiny dot is turning blue with coughing… 👀 a Dad of another kid is talking loudly on the phone about mycoplasma.

Wonder what happens to babies when you expose them in a medical centre to mycoplasma, whooping cough and every other virus that’s here?

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I’m supposed to be in a waiting room. Turns out I’m actually at a horror show

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There is no air cleaning device visible.

I don’t even think I’m gonna get away with being here.

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Oh and after hours spent in the pathogen 🔥 that is this waiting area... turns out they don't have properly trained staff to do the procedures they advertise they do anyway... wonder what on the earth could have cause such a skills shortage right about now? Hmmm?

I noticed the same thing yesterday when I had a blood test at a local pathology place... I was the only person there wearing a mask and while I was in the waiting area a lady came in with a young child who was visibly (and audibly) unwell.

They both (presumably reluctantly) put on masks before they went with the (unmasked) staff member to have the blood test done.

Oh, there was a small air purifier in the waiting area but it wasn't turned on, of course. The same air purifier that was there the last time I had a blood test 6 months ago. It was turned on at the time but there was a big flashing red light on the top of it which I assume indicated the filter needed to be replaced. That probably wasn't done so I'm guessing the thing is now totally clogged up so they just leave it off.

This country is so screwed right now.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #642 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 3:17pm

Carl D wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 7:59am:

Things like this (and they're extremely common these days) are the reason why we're in the current sh!tshow with Covid and the flu, etc. here in Australia.

https://x.com/NjbBari3/status/1792835057755058232

Dr. Noor Bari.
MBBS BSc Hons Infectious Diseases.

Quote:

@NSWCHO

I am in a situation that could only be true as a comedy skit.

It’s autumn going into a nasty winter.

Waves are rising of many viruses.

I’m in a medical centre.

Everyone is coughing and has a runny nose.

No one is in a mask of any sort.

If you don't have an X/Twitter account here's the whole thread.

https://nitter.poast.org/NjbBari3/status/1792835057755058232#m

If that doesn't work then here's the rest of it:

Quote:

The doctor is sick and unmasked

Quote:

The pathology person is sick and unmasked

Quote:

The receptionist is sick and unmasked

Quote:

All the patients, the patients parents friends and relatives are sick, and unmasked

Quote:

I’m pretty sure that if advice is not achieving the outcome needed, then mandates are required when winter hospital overwhelm looms.

Yes, agreed. But our governments are now too gutless to mandate masks and other Covid/flu/etc. protections. Even in hospitals and other healthcare places.

Quote:

Countdown to the article about the person that died in the ED waiting room.

Quote:

Tick tock @RyanPark_Keira

He's the NSW Minister for "Health", by the way (Ryan Park MP).

Quote:

Yes, there is a point to mask if everyone is sick.

They probably don’t all have the same virus. Turning up with one virus and leaving with three is more likely to result in a trip to ED

Quote:

Oh my word.

An entire family of mask wearers have turned up now… and they are in baggy blues… in this environment.

Snowflakes and hot places spring to mind. Poor things.

Another public health promotion failure. Where are the TV ads for respirators? And kid respirators?

Quote:

snow ball rather...

Quote:

One tiny dot is turning blue with coughing… 👀 a Dad of another kid is talking loudly on the phone about mycoplasma.

Wonder what happens to babies when you expose them in a medical centre to mycoplasma, whooping cough and every other virus that’s here?

Quote:

I’m supposed to be in a waiting room. Turns out I’m actually at a horror show

Quote:

There is no air cleaning device visible.

I don’t even think I’m gonna get away with being here.

Quote:

Oh and after hours spent in the pathogen 🔥 that is this waiting area... turns out they don't have properly trained staff to do the procedures they advertise they do anyway... wonder what on the earth could have cause such a skills shortage right about now? Hmmm?

I noticed the same thing yesterday when I had a blood test at a local pathology place... I was the only person there wearing a mask and while I was in the waiting area a lady came in with a young child who was visibly (and audibly) unwell.

They both (presumably reluctantly) put on masks before they went with the (unmasked) staff member to have the blood test done.

Oh, there was a small air purifier in the waiting area but it wasn't turned on, of course. The same air purifier that was there the last time I had a blood test 6 months ago. It was turned on at the time but there was a big flashing red light on the top of it which I assume indicated the filter needed to be replaced. That probably wasn't done so I'm guessing the thing is now totally clogged up so they just leave it off.

This country is so screwed right now.

What about the people who ARE wearing masked, and HAVE been vaccinated? Why ARE these people STILL being infected and dying from this flu-virus?

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #643 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 3:59pm

ShellShilo wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 3:17pm:

What about the people who ARE wearing masked, and HAVE been vaccinated? Why ARE these people STILL being infected and dying from this flu-virus?

Masks and vaccinations have proven to be quite effective, but not 100% effective.

Moreover, COVID is not the flu.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #644 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 4:08pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 3:59pm:

ShellShilo wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 3:17pm:

What about the people who ARE wearing masked, and HAVE been vaccinated? Why ARE these people STILL being infected and dying from this flu-virus?

Masks and vaccinations have proven to be quite effective, but not 100% effective.

Moreover, COVID is not the flu.

I agree.

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