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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #675 - May 27th, 2024 at 12:17pm
 
Carl D wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 7:10am:
aquascoot wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 5:18am:
dystopian covid nightmare  Grin Grin Grin Grin

thats YOUR  nightmare carl and totally of your own creation.


Saw a comment on X (formerly Twitter) the other day from someone who's medical issues meant that if they caught Covid they could possibly die.

Oh, and there's many, many people like that, by the way. The same people (like the elderly) who were told by our lying, spineless governments that they would be protected when the borders opened and Covid was unleashed on the population.

Anyway, this medically vulnerable person said on X that it might have been better if Covid had turned out to be a zombie apocalypse because then it would have been easier to see and avoid the infected when out shopping, etc.

Because - at the moment - for every maskless person with a hacking cough, sneezing, runny nose, etc. walking around in crowded public places (and there's LOTS of them) there's probably one or two more who are infected but not yet showing symptoms. But they're still potentially infecting others.

Not just with Covid, but with the flu, RSV and whatever else is 'doing the rounds' right now.

And that could only be described as a massive (deliberate) public health messaging failure by our governments.


saw a comment on X (formerly twitter)  recently from someone who was nearly killed in a car accident.
oh and there are many other people who have been injured in car accidents
anyway , this person said it might have been better if we set the speed limit at 20 kph

because at the moment, for every driver out there driving around, braking and changing lanes and accelerating, theres a risk they are going to hit others

and the fact the authorities wont reduce the speed limit to 20 kph could only be described as a massive (deliberate) road transport messaging failure by our governments  Cry Cry Cry Cry
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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #676 - May 27th, 2024 at 7:50pm
 
OK... moving on after reading aquascoot's stupid and pointless post.

https://x.com/CrabbBrendan/status/1794925855342469260

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No accurate figures so it's up to the brilliance of @Mike_Honey_
@dbRaevn
& a few others to estimate what's going on. This suggests that over 1 million people have C0VID in Oz right now, & that almost half of the entire population has had C0VID in the last 6 months. These numbers are extraordinary.


Yes. Yes they are.

And the number of upcoming deaths and Long Covid cases will also be extraordinary... if we ever get to see these numbers.

Also...

https://x.com/briankirsty/status/1794716388495593528

This is also extraordinary (see attached image).
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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #677 - May 27th, 2024 at 10:52pm
 
It doesn't matter if every man, woman, or child is infected with Covid-19. Or, even if they are re-infected every year for the rest of their lives. All that matters is it's virulence and case fatality rates. Vaccinated or not.

I just don't understand your obsesion with this disease. This illness has been doing the same thing for over 4 years. No matter WHAT variant form it takes from its standard. Still, over 98% of its victims recover. And, since 80% of covid-19 suffer from zero to moderate symptoms, it's not a very virulent pathogen at all. Did you know that around 80% of the elderly DO RECOVER??

Does your daily death list indicate if those in palliative care laying immobile in nursing and respite center, have DNR orders? What are the ages listed on your daily death list? How many on your list had multiple comorbidities and other chronic illnesses listed on their death certificate?  How many died FROM the virus, and how many died WITH the virus? The death certificate in some states make no distinctions.

I think for people living under these conditions in nursing/respite centers under palliative care, their death is more a mercy than a tragedy.

Maybe you could list also the number of recoveries. Just to avoid claims of bias, and just fear-mongering.

Maybe you can credit the government for providing the hospitals with the antiviral resources to treat people.



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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #678 - May 28th, 2024 at 8:53am
 
ShellShilo wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 10:52pm:
It doesn't matter if every man, woman, or child is infected with Covid-19. Or, even if they are re-infected every year for the rest of their lives. All that matters is it's virulence and case fatality rates. Vaccinated or not.

I just don't understand your obsesion with this disease. This illness has been doing the same thing for over 4 years. No matter WHAT variant form it takes from its standard. Still, over 98% of its victims recover. And, since 80% of covid-19 suffer from zero to moderate symptoms, it's not a very virulent pathogen at all. Did you know that around 80% of the elderly DO RECOVER??

Does your daily death list indicate if those in palliative care laying immobile in nursing and respite center, have DNR orders? What are the ages listed on your daily death list? How many on your list had multiple comorbidities and other chronic illnesses listed on their death certificate?  How many died FROM the virus, and how many died WITH the virus? The death certificate in some states make no distinctions.

I think for people living under these conditions in nursing/respite centers under palliative care, their death is more a mercy than a tragedy.

Maybe you could list also the number of recoveries. Just to avoid claims of bias, and just fear-mongering.

Maybe you can credit the government for providing the hospitals with the antiviral resources to treat people.



Almost everything you've posted there has been addressed by me (and others) many, many times over the past year or so and I am not going to waste my time repeating them again.

Oh, except (and this has been explained here many, many times):

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How many died FROM the virus, and how many died WITH the virus?


COVID-19 Mortality in Australia: Deaths registered until 31 January 2024 (this is the most recent report I can find).

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21,827 of the 687,639 death registrations received by the ABS between March 2020 and January 2024 were of people who died from or with COVID-19.
The underlying cause of death for 17,276 of these people was COVID-19.

There were a further 4,551 people who died of other causes (e.g. cancer) but COVID-19 contributed to their death. 


And, again, the reason why I am "obsessed" with this virus is because it has killed and disabled millions worldwide - and continues to do so.

And I'm sure the majority of the population would also be "obsessed" with this virus if they knew about the steadily mounting evidence of the damage that it can do to multiple body organs but they don't. And no one, especially our governments, is telling them.

Especially after multiple infections and even if you're up to date with vaccinations - and the majority of people are not. Another (deliberate) government messaging failure (saves them money on vaccines).

All of this is due to deliberate government silence nowadays. They know they stuffed up with their "vaccines only and let it rip" approach and they're now too gutless to admit they were wrong and it has cost many, many lives (approximately 25,000 so far in Australia alone).

As I've also said before - I'm sure governments have also been given legal advice to stay silent about Covid now in an attempt to avoid liabilty for the deaths and long Covid cases. Gutless wonders, the lot of them.

And, this "disease" and "illness" is still classified as a Level 3 Biohazard which is one level above the flu (2) and one level below things like Ebola (4 - the highest level) despite recent attempts by that useless and quite possibly corrupt body, the World "Health" Organization to have SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) 'reclassified' as Level 2, and I'll bet hardly anyone knows about that as well.
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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #679 - May 28th, 2024 at 11:32am
 
carl,

get over yourself

admit it is a mild respiratory virus and stop calling everyone else out for being part of some grand conspiracy  Roll Eyes
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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #680 - May 28th, 2024 at 12:38pm
 
aquascoot wrote on May 28th, 2024 at 11:32am:
carl,

get over yourself

admit it is a mild respiratory virus and stop calling everyone else out for being part of some grand conspiracy  Roll Eyes


Got anything useful to add to the thread apart from your usual repetitive trolling?

Perhaps you could actually do something useful for once and shoot off a quick email to Mark Butler and ask him what happened to the Novavax Covid vaccine the many people who cannot tolerate mRNA vaccines have been waiting for?

https://x.com/realanitawhite/status/1795252268524302826

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XBB Novavax application for  TGA registration withdrawn by Sponsor.😡😡😡

@Mark_Butler_MP
Australians who cannot get vaccinated because they need this particular vaccine deserve an explanation and REMEDY from YOU.

Call a press conference.


Yes, call a press conference you useless excuse for a Federal Minister for Health and Aged Care.

And...

https://x.com/LettersfromTim/status/1795253224594932064

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What a disgrace

why have @Novavax
withdrawn their application?

What hurdles did @Mark_Butler_MP
put in the way to prevent this from being registered in Australia?

#ThirdWorldVaccineNation


Yes, Tim. I'm wondering the same thing.

More proof that the government is more than happy to see the elderly and other medically vulnerable people 'bumped off' by Covid to save money on pensions and health care costs. Oh, and vaccine costs as well.
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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #681 - May 28th, 2024 at 1:44pm
 
aquascoot wrote on May 28th, 2024 at 11:32am:
admit it is a mild respiratory virus and stop calling everyone else out for being part of some grand conspiracy  Roll Eyes


Might be getting harder to obtain Covid case numbers and deaths in Australia but here's what your "mild respiratory virus" has been doing in the United States in the past 5 months:

https://x.com/BNOFeed/status/1795195453627048409

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So far this year, nearly 3.3 million COVID cases have been reported in the U.S., causing 283,605 hospitalizations and 29,370 deaths.


Wow, so very, very mild, isn't it?
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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #682 - May 28th, 2024 at 2:12pm
 
Carl D wrote on May 28th, 2024 at 12:38pm:
More proof that the government is more than happy to see the elderly and other medically vulnerable people 'bumped off' by Covid to save money on pensions and health care costs. Oh, and vaccine costs as well.


Yes.

That's exactly what's happening.

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Reply #683 - May 28th, 2024 at 11:26pm
 
Carl D wrote on May 28th, 2024 at 8:53am:
And, again, the reason why I am "obsessed" with this virus is because it has killed and disabled millions worldwide - and continues to do so.

And I'm sure the majority of the population would also be "obsessed" with this virus if they knew about the steadily mounting evidence of the damage that it can do to multiple body organs but they don't. And no one, especially our governments, is telling them.

Especially after multiple infections and even if you're up to date with vaccinations - and the majority of people are not. Another (deliberate) government messaging failure (saves them money on vaccines).


It sounds like we humans just can't protect/defend ourselves from this raging indiscriminate killing viral behemoth.

I remembered asking you sometime ago a few important questions. You ignored them all and continued ranting that the viral end is nigh. And, that a medically-imposed form of fascism is our only hope.

You clearly are not interested in any actual perspective or objectivity. You are not interested in any unbiased truth. You are a fear-mongerer of half-truths. Hense why a little knowledge can be so dangerous. But let me ask you,

Do you want every man woman and child in Australia to wear masks in public indefinately?

Do you want every man woman and child in Australia to take vaccines and booster shots indefinately?

Do you want every man woman and child in Australia to keep 2 meters apart indefinately?

Do you want our personal liberties/freedoms pre-Civid-19 to be suspended indefinately?

Should we shutdown all sporting venues, schools, parks, beaches, building sites, libraries, museums, and all sporting events indefinately?

Should we bring back all curfews, and limit all interstate and international travel indefinately?

Should every man woman and child have a Covid-19 medical card on their person, and must present it when asked indefinately?

Should Australian businesses require its customers to wear masks, or risk being ejected by cops? Or risk closure orders for non-compliance, indefinately?

Should every Australian be forced/coerced to put anything into his/her body that the government says is for the "greater good", indefinately?

Should we continue to arrest  and fine Australians for refusing to wear a mask, or not keeping their distance indefinately?

Should we deputize more thugs to respond to all reported Covid-19 breeches? Arresting/fining people in their own homes, and breaking up meetings and parties indefinately?

If we were talking about N. Korea or China, I wouldn't even bat an eyelid. But all these things happened in Australia. So much so that there were rallies in other countries trying to free us!

This is when enough was enough. We took to the streets to air our grievances, and to take back our liberties and freedoms. We ended this immature knee-jerk reaction, that had less than a buckleys chance of ever working.

So, again what specifically would you have Australians do, to fight this rampant killer virus? What would your plan be? Clearly all the other plans have failed. Do you really think that medical science has no anti-viral treatments for this virus? Most people dying from this virus, were already dying.
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Reply #684 - May 28th, 2024 at 11:44pm
 
Carl D wrote on May 28th, 2024 at 1:44pm:
aquascoot wrote on May 28th, 2024 at 11:32am:
admit it is a mild respiratory virus and stop calling everyone else out for being part of some grand conspiracy  Roll Eyes


Might be getting harder to obtain Covid case numbers and deaths in Australia but here's what your "mild respiratory virus" has been doing in the United States in the past 5 months:

https://x.com/BNOFeed/status/1795195453627048409

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So far this year, nearly 3.3 million COVID cases have been reported in the U.S., causing 283,605 hospitalizations and 29,370 deaths.


Wow, so very, very mild, isn't it?


You do realize that this also means that more than 99% of those infected did NOT die!

29,370 deaths/3,300,000 infected = 0.0089 x 100% =0.89% or 99.1% survival.

So, yes with a recovery rate this high it is very very mild(3,270,300 survivors). But when you spew out thousands of death, without any context, it gives the impression of massive numbers of deaths.
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Reply #685 - May 29th, 2024 at 1:09pm
 
Anyone else care to have a go at this because, quite frankly, I am (once again) sick and tired of going around in circles with the same tired old discussions we've been going through for years.

I'll finish up by saying "you do you" and we'll see how things are going with Covid in a year or so (assuming our cowardly, pathetic governments don't even take the most basic steps to slow down the spread of this virus - and I'm sure they won't).

No one is asking for lockdowns or border closures but things like masks in hospitals, aged care and all other healthcare settings would make a big difference like they did before governments were obviously pressured into removing them - same as they were pressured into removing masks on planes, in airports, public transport and lastly in hospitals and healthcare.

Let's see how many healthy people are left in Australia (and worldwide) in about 5 years time if the current rate of Covid infections and reinfections isn't reduced. The pollies' precious economy will be up the creek without a paddle when that happens.

Assuming "bird flu" doesn't take out half of the population first, of course. And I'm sure our pathetic pollies will be doing their best to try and convince everyone that it's "just a cold"... until it's too late to stop it.
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Reply #686 - May 29th, 2024 at 5:44pm
 
Carl D wrote on May 29th, 2024 at 1:09pm:
Anyone else care to have a go at this because, quite frankly, I am (once again) sick and tired of going around in circles with the same tired old discussions we've been going through for years.

I'll finish up by saying "you do you" and we'll see how things are going with Covid in a year or so (assuming our cowardly, pathetic governments don't even take the most basic steps to slow down the spread of this virus - and I'm sure they won't).

No one is asking for lockdowns or border closures but things like masks in hospitals, aged care and all other healthcare settings would make a big difference like they did before governments were obviously pressured into removing them - same as they were pressured into removing masks on planes, in airports, public transport and lastly in hospitals and healthcare.

Let's see how many healthy people are left in Australia (and worldwide) in about 5 years time if the current rate of Covid infections and reinfections isn't reduced. The pollies' precious economy will be up the creek without a paddle when that happens.

Assuming "bird flu" doesn't take out half of the population first, of course. And I'm sure our pathetic pollies will be doing their best to try and convince everyone that it's "just a cold"... until it's too late to stop it.



totally agree

but the root cause is maccas, crispy creme, kfc and the coca cola corporation.
nothing to do with a mild cold virus  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #687 - May 29th, 2024 at 10:49pm
 
Carl D wrote on May 29th, 2024 at 1:09pm:
Anyone else care to have a go at this because, quite frankly, I am (once again) sick and tired of going around in circles with the same tired old discussions we've been going through for years.

I'll finish up by saying "you do you" and we'll see how things are going with Covid in a year or so (assuming our cowardly, pathetic governments don't even take the most basic steps to slow down the spread of this virus - and I'm sure they won't).

No one is asking for lockdowns or border closures but things like masks in hospitals, aged care and all other healthcare settings would make a big difference like they did before governments were obviously pressured into removing them - same as they were pressured into removing masks on planes, in airports, public transport and lastly in hospitals and healthcare.

Let's see how many healthy people are left in Australia (and worldwide) in about 5 years time if the current rate of Covid infections and reinfections isn't reduced. The pollies' precious economy will be up the creek without a paddle when that happens.

Assuming "bird flu" doesn't take out half of the population first, of course. And I'm sure our pathetic pollies will be doing their best to try and convince everyone that it's "just a cold"... until it's too late to stop it.


Man has been on this planet for around 6 million years. Germs and viruses for billions of years. The real threats to our  survival is war and overpopulation.

Our immune system is the second most complicated system in the body(second to the brain). Even a half functioning immune system is more than capable of fighting off most known(or unknown) pathogens/antigens.

Now modern man has decided(for profit) that our immune system now needs help for this 7th generation SARS virus. More contagious but less virulent than the orginal.

Man decides that he can't wait the 1-3 days for the immune system to make its own antibodies to fight this virus. Antibodies that aren't fooled by any viral variances.

But man decided to force muscle cells to genetically clone only a part of this virus(spike proteins). Once these antigens were formed in the cell and released into the body, they could prompted a immune response. But these antibodies are specific ONLY to the coded SPIKE PROTEINS. Not all of the markers on the entire virus.

But of course these spike proteins are NOT sentient. They can go anywhere in the body they want, in search of ACE2 receptor sites. That is before they are programed to die(supposedly). They don't care where these sites are(brain, heart, lymph nodes, kidneys, intestines, blood vessels, lungs, stomach, etc.). And, neither does the immune response. This response will also destroy receptor sites(and cells). Destroying these sites, will directly diminish the important regulatory functions of this enzyme(ACE2).

Here are some stats you should really look at.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

As far as panicking for the future, I really wouldn't worry. None of us will be here! As of April 14, 2024 there have been 24,414 total deaths with or from this virus. There have been 1,546 days from the start of this virus until this date. The current population of Australia is 26,676,748 people. Lets assume that all rates stay the same, and the population desn't change,

1,546 days x 26,676,748 people/24,414 deaths = 1,689,287days. Or,
4,628 YEARS(4,901 YEARS GLOBALLY)
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I agree that you should always do you. Just as long as I am not forced/coerced to do you!

 

 
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Reply #688 - May 29th, 2024 at 11:13pm
 
The current todal covid deaths in Australia is at 24,000

This means another 10,000 in about the last 12 months this compared to about 400 Flu deaths.

I don't know the probability of another stronger strain emerging.
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Reply #689 - May 30th, 2024 at 12:26am
 
Dnarever wrote on May 29th, 2024 at 11:13pm:
The current todal covid deaths in Australia is at 24,000

This means another 10,000 in about the last 12 months this compared to about 400 Flu deaths.

I don't know the probability of another stronger strain emerging.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

As of April 13th 2024. I can only use the data that I'm given. Although plus or minus 400 death will not make that much of a difference.

All variants of the same strain will be weaker(in some aspect) than the parent strain. We have seen this in all the variants of this virus.

By the end of 2023(30/11/2023), 20,755 Australians died with or from this virus. Not sure where 10K new deaths are coming from?

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-australia-deaths-registered-until-30-november-2023.


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