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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #750 - Jun 12^th, 2024 at 5:00pm

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 11:18pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 8:19pm:

During most of the lockdown there was no vaccine.

In the early days in the US for example the onset of the virus resulted in tens of thousands of deaths with hospitals stuffed full and refiguration trucks in the streets. Without a quick lockdown we could have experienced this as well, instead over the first 15 odd months we had numbers like 2000, deaths in Vic and 1,500 in NSW.

Interesting dynamics in the USA across the board. One is that following the vaccine Deaths in republican stated have been double that of Democrat states. This is because democrat states = take the vaccine and republican states = die before taking the vaccine and they literally did. Some of the Trump lost states could have been impacted by the Trump mass spreader events.

Can we just stick to the Australian stats on this virus? Using the stats of a country with a population of over 330M, tends to be misleading. It would be irresponsible of our government to base their policy decisions on the stats from another country. We can't just ASSUME that what happens in America will also happen here.

Australia is NOT America. We don't have the density, the population, the environment, the geography, the seasons, and so many other differences. And, highlighting large numbers of deaths in a population of 330M, is intellectually dishonest and fear-mongering. People only hear 10's of thousands of deaths, instead of only 0.006% of their population(0.07% Aust.).

Lockdowns started on March 22, 2020. It COMPLETELY ended in early Sept. 2022. That's a period of over 31 months. But lets take YOUR "15 odd months", which would mean the lockdown ended on June 22nd 2021.

Before this period there were only 7 deaths from/with covid 19, and 607 cases. At the end of this period of lockdown(15 odd months), there were 910 deaths with/from this virus, and 30,366 cases. Even during this period when vaccines weren't available, there were only 900 deaths. And a 98% survival rate.

https://www.health.gov.au/resources/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-22-june-2021?language=en

Maybe you can post your source for these reported thousands of deaths in just 2 states?

This is insane logic.

Do you not see where you're going wrong?

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #751 - Jun 12^th, 2024 at 5:01pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 4:56pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 4:01pm:

But if you are just going to spew out your own version of the truth, then we're done.

Is that a promise?

If you're really done here could you take aquascoot with you? That would be great.

Thanks.

then you would have a non challenging "safe space"

sounds like your idea of bliss Grin

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #752 - Jun 12^th, 2024 at 5:03pm

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 5:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 4:44pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 3:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 11:13am:

Covid Deaths in Australia will soon cross 25,000.

Thru the lock down period Australia had one of the lowest death rates.

Lockdowns began in Australia on the 22nd March 2020. At that time there were only 7 recorded deaths from/with Covid-19. And, only 607 confirmed cases.

The lockdown was officially declared, "finished" in Sept. 2022. Even forced-isolation for those infected. At this time, there were 10,112,229 reported cases of covid-10. There were also 14,421 deaths with/from covid-19(0.1% mortality).

So a 2K times increase in deaths, and a 17K times increase in cases, were all during the lockdown.

Lockdowns have done more damage to the Australian society than the virus ever could. If we ignore everything else, then I agree that the rate was lower. Just NOT the numbers!

That would have to be one of the most twisted pieces of "logic" I've seen in my life.

Surely you're joking Undecided

All I'm saying is that, the lockdown did absolutely nothing to slow the spread, and number of deaths/infections from this virus.

Yes, I know what you're saying, but it's insane.

Do you honestly not understand the flaw in your "reasoning"?

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #753 - Jun 12^th, 2024 at 5:46pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 5:03pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 5:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 4:44pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 3:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 11:13am:

Covid Deaths in Australia will soon cross 25,000.

Thru the lock down period Australia had one of the lowest death rates.

Lockdowns began in Australia on the 22nd March 2020. At that time there were only 7 recorded deaths from/with Covid-19. And, only 607 confirmed cases.

The lockdown was officially declared, "finished" in Sept. 2022. Even forced-isolation for those infected. At this time, there were 10,112,229 reported cases of covid-10. There were also 14,421 deaths with/from covid-19(0.1% mortality).

So a 2K times increase in deaths, and a 17K times increase in cases, were all during the lockdown.

Lockdowns have done more damage to the Australian society than the virus ever could. If we ignore everything else, then I agree that the rate was lower. Just NOT the numbers!

That would have to be one of the most twisted pieces of "logic" I've seen in my life.

Surely you're joking Undecided

All I'm saying is that, the lockdown did absolutely nothing to slow the spread, and number of deaths/infections from this virus.

Yes, I know what you're saying, but it's insane.

Do you honestly not understand the flaw in your "reasoning"?

YES, I HONESTLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE FLAW IN MY REASONING!!

So instead of gaslighting me, and implying that there are flaws in my reasoning, maybe you can provide more specific details?

We obviously don't see things in the same way. My reality is my reality, and your reality is your reality.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #754 - Jun 12^th, 2024 at 5:56pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 4:56pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 4:01pm:

But if you are just going to spew out your own version of the truth, then we're done.

Is that a promise?

If you're really done here could you take aquascoot with you? That would be great.

Thanks.

Uh..NO!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4mkIzk8qXU

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #755 - Jun 12^th, 2024 at 7:30pm

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 5:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 5:03pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 5:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 4:44pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 3:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 11:13am:

Covid Deaths in Australia will soon cross 25,000.

Thru the lock down period Australia had one of the lowest death rates.

Lockdowns began in Australia on the 22nd March 2020. At that time there were only 7 recorded deaths from/with Covid-19. And, only 607 confirmed cases.

The lockdown was officially declared, "finished" in Sept. 2022. Even forced-isolation for those infected. At this time, there were 10,112,229 reported cases of covid-10. There were also 14,421 deaths with/from covid-19(0.1% mortality).

So a 2K times increase in deaths, and a 17K times increase in cases, were all during the lockdown.

Lockdowns have done more damage to the Australian society than the virus ever could. If we ignore everything else, then I agree that the rate was lower. Just NOT the numbers!

That would have to be one of the most twisted pieces of "logic" I've seen in my life.

Surely you're joking Undecided

All I'm saying is that, the lockdown did absolutely nothing to slow the spread, and number of deaths/infections from this virus.

Yes, I know what you're saying, but it's insane.

Do you honestly not understand the flaw in your "reasoning"?

YES, I HONESTLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE FLAW IN MY REASONING!!

So instead of gaslighting me, and implying that there are flaws in my reasoning, maybe you can provide more specific details?

We obviously don't see things in the same way. My reality is my reality, and your reality is your reality.

it would always have been better to educate people and let them make their own decisions

the swedish approach

in the end there wasnt any difference between stockholm and melbourne in terms of covid deaths

but the west has really shot itself in the foot with 1/2 of all american states now passing laws that PROHOBIT lockdowns being imposed again

i suppose if there was a nasty virus (not covid) people would voluntarily lockdown

certainly if covid killed young children in large numbers i would expect my daughters to go into voluntary lockdown with the grandkids

thats the point

health should always be a matter between the doctor and the patient

dan andrews or justin trudeau or donald trump arent doctors and they should just present the info to the doctors who should inform the public and let the public decide what risk they are willing to accept

we also face the reality that people have dropped off in other vaccines because they had a negative reaction to mandates

thats unfortunate

i get my tetanus jab every 10 years as i muck around with horses
i am amazed how many people i know who arent up to date with the good vaccines like tetanus

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #756 - Jun 12^th, 2024 at 8:09pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 7:30pm:

i suppose if there was a nasty virus (not covid) people would voluntarily lockdown

Hey, look at that.

You agree with the esteemed Dr. David Berger for once.

https://x.com/YouAreLobbyLud/status/1800760211504091473

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It's only a matter of time before we face a deliberately engineered pandemic. I smile wryly at those who say about lockdowns "Never again!"

If the pathogen is engineered effectively enough, it won't need governments to mandate lockdowns. People will do it themselves.

Yes. Yes they will.

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** Repeat Covid infections exercise our immune system in the same way that repeat concussions exercise our brain **

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #757 - Jun 12^th, 2024 at 8:11pm

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 5:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 5:03pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 5:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 4:44pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 3:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 11:13am:

Covid Deaths in Australia will soon cross 25,000.

Thru the lock down period Australia had one of the lowest death rates.

Lockdowns began in Australia on the 22nd March 2020. At that time there were only 7 recorded deaths from/with Covid-19. And, only 607 confirmed cases.

The lockdown was officially declared, "finished" in Sept. 2022. Even forced-isolation for those infected. At this time, there were 10,112,229 reported cases of covid-10. There were also 14,421 deaths with/from covid-19(0.1% mortality).

So a 2K times increase in deaths, and a 17K times increase in cases, were all during the lockdown.

Lockdowns have done more damage to the Australian society than the virus ever could. If we ignore everything else, then I agree that the rate was lower. Just NOT the numbers!

That would have to be one of the most twisted pieces of "logic" I've seen in my life.

Surely you're joking Undecided

All I'm saying is that, the lockdown did absolutely nothing to slow the spread, and number of deaths/infections from this virus.

Yes, I know what you're saying, but it's insane.

Do you honestly not understand the flaw in your "reasoning"?

YES, I HONESTLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE FLAW IN MY REASONING!!

I hope you're joking Roll Eyes

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #758 - Jun 12^th, 2024 at 8:47pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 8:11pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 5:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 5:03pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 5:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 4:44pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 3:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 11:13am:

Covid Deaths in Australia will soon cross 25,000.

Thru the lock down period Australia had one of the lowest death rates.

Lockdowns began in Australia on the 22nd March 2020. At that time there were only 7 recorded deaths from/with Covid-19. And, only 607 confirmed cases.

The lockdown was officially declared, "finished" in Sept. 2022. Even forced-isolation for those infected. At this time, there were 10,112,229 reported cases of covid-10. There were also 14,421 deaths with/from covid-19(0.1% mortality).

So a 2K times increase in deaths, and a 17K times increase in cases, were all during the lockdown.

Lockdowns have done more damage to the Australian society than the virus ever could. If we ignore everything else, then I agree that the rate was lower. Just NOT the numbers!

That would have to be one of the most twisted pieces of "logic" I've seen in my life.

Surely you're joking Undecided

All I'm saying is that, the lockdown did absolutely nothing to slow the spread, and number of deaths/infections from this virus.

Yes, I know what you're saying, but it's insane.

Do you honestly not understand the flaw in your "reasoning"?

YES, I HONESTLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE FLAW IN MY REASONING!!

I hope you're joking Roll Eyes

NO! I'm not! Are you?

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #759 - Jun 12^th, 2024 at 8:55pm

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 8:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 8:11pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 5:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 5:03pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 5:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 4:44pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 3:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 11:13am:

Covid Deaths in Australia will soon cross 25,000.

Thru the lock down period Australia had one of the lowest death rates.

Lockdowns began in Australia on the 22nd March 2020. At that time there were only 7 recorded deaths from/with Covid-19. And, only 607 confirmed cases.

The lockdown was officially declared, "finished" in Sept. 2022. Even forced-isolation for those infected. At this time, there were 10,112,229 reported cases of covid-10. There were also 14,421 deaths with/from covid-19(0.1% mortality).

So a 2K times increase in deaths, and a 17K times increase in cases, were all during the lockdown.

Lockdowns have done more damage to the Australian society than the virus ever could. If we ignore everything else, then I agree that the rate was lower. Just NOT the numbers!

That would have to be one of the most twisted pieces of "logic" I've seen in my life.

Surely you're joking Undecided

All I'm saying is that, the lockdown did absolutely nothing to slow the spread, and number of deaths/infections from this virus.

Yes, I know what you're saying, but it's insane.

Do you honestly not understand the flaw in your "reasoning"?

YES, I HONESTLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE FLAW IN MY REASONING!!

I hope you're joking Roll Eyes

NO! I'm not!

That makes it even sadder Undecided

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #760 - Jun 12^th, 2024 at 10:54pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 7:30pm:

it would always have been better to educate people and let them make their own decisions

the swedish approach

in the end there wasnt any difference between stockholm and melbourne in terms of covid deaths

but the west has really shot itself in the foot with 1/2 of all american states now passing laws that PROHOBIT lockdowns being imposed again

i suppose if there was a nasty virus (not covid) people would voluntarily lockdown

certainly if covid killed young children in large numbers i would expect my daughters to go into voluntary lockdown with the grandkids

thats the point

health should always be a matter between the doctor and the patient

dan andrews or justin trudeau or donald trump arent doctors and they should just present the info to the doctors who should inform the public and let the public decide what risk they are willing to accept

we also face the reality that people have dropped off in other vaccines because they had a negative reaction to mandates

thats unfortunate

i get my tetanus jab every 10 years as i muck around with horses
i am amazed how many people i know who arent up to date with the good vaccines like tetanus

I also had my tetanus shot when my first grandchild was born. Although tetanus is uncommon, it can be very serious. Did you know that if you've had the common cold, that you may already have antibodies against this virus. This explains why 60% of people infected, are asymptomatic during the entire illness.

I agree with you. Any illness that is clearly dangerous to humans, would need no prompting/threats/coercion from the government. People would take whatever actions/advice to avoid being infected, VOLUNTARILLY! But this virus just isn't that virulent to anyone not in the high-risk category.

Also, I don't think the office workers in Brisbane need to start panicking that the bird flu will get them yet. It is unfortunate how a little knowledge can be so dangerous in the hands of some people.

No one knows everything. But before I stick a rushed experimental scheduled 4 poison into my arm(indefinitely), or my children's, I will know everything there is to know about this drug.

The first problem is, there is NO guarantee that the vaccine will stay in the muscles during inoculation. Once these nano-encased lipids get into the bloodstream they can go anywhere in the body. Looking for other ACE2 receptor sites. We are now changing the body's normal metabolism!

I wonder what would've happened if there wasn't any fear-mongering, to herald the arrival of this virus? I doubt if most people would've noticed anything different in their daily lives.

We have had viral outbreaks in Australia since the 60's. But, we never tried to kill the patient to kill the virus. People really don't realize just how close we came to destroying this nation's economy. Just to stop a relatively mild virus! That is insane!

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #761 - Jun 12^th, 2024 at 10:57pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 8:55pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 8:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 8:11pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 5:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 5:03pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 5:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 4:44pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 3:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 11:13am:

Covid Deaths in Australia will soon cross 25,000.

Thru the lock down period Australia had one of the lowest death rates.

Lockdowns began in Australia on the 22nd March 2020. At that time there were only 7 recorded deaths from/with Covid-19. And, only 607 confirmed cases.

The lockdown was officially declared, "finished" in Sept. 2022. Even forced-isolation for those infected. At this time, there were 10,112,229 reported cases of covid-10. There were also 14,421 deaths with/from covid-19(0.1% mortality).

So a 2K times increase in deaths, and a 17K times increase in cases, were all during the lockdown.

Lockdowns have done more damage to the Australian society than the virus ever could. If we ignore everything else, then I agree that the rate was lower. Just NOT the numbers!

That would have to be one of the most twisted pieces of "logic" I've seen in my life.

Surely you're joking Undecided

All I'm saying is that, the lockdown did absolutely nothing to slow the spread, and number of deaths/infections from this virus.

Yes, I know what you're saying, but it's insane.

Do you honestly not understand the flaw in your "reasoning"?

YES, I HONESTLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE FLAW IN MY REASONING!!

I hope you're joking Roll Eyes

NO! I'm not!

That makes it even sadder Undecided

On that, we DO agree!

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #762 - Jun 12^th, 2024 at 11:25pm

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 11:18pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 8:19pm:

During most of the lockdown there was no vaccine.

In the early days in the US for example the onset of the virus resulted in tens of thousands of deaths with hospitals stuffed full and refiguration trucks in the streets. Without a quick lockdown we could have experienced this as well, instead over the first 15 odd months we had numbers like 2000, deaths in Vic and 1,500 in NSW.

Interesting dynamics in the USA across the board. One is that following the vaccine Deaths in republican stated have been double that of Democrat states. This is because democrat states = take the vaccine and republican states = die before taking the vaccine and they literally did. Some of the Trump lost states could have been impacted by the Trump mass spreader events.

Can we just stick to the Australian stats on this virus? Using the stats of a country with a population of over 330M, tends to be misleading. It would be irresponsible of our government to base their policy decisions on the stats from another country. We can't just ASSUME that what happens in America will also happen here.

Australia is NOT America. We don't have the density, the population, the environment, the geography, the seasons, and so many other differences. And, highlighting large numbers of deaths in a population of 330M, is intellectually dishonest and fear-mongering. People only hear 10's of thousands of deaths, instead of only 0.006% of their population(0.07% Aust.).

Lockdowns started on March 22, 2020. It COMPLETELY ended in early Sept. 2022. That's a period of over 31 months. But lets take YOUR "15 odd months", which would mean the lockdown ended on June 22nd 2021.

Before this period there were only 7 deaths from/with covid 19, and 607 cases. At the end of this period of lockdown(15 odd months), there were 910 deaths with/from this virus, and 30,366 cases. Even during this period when vaccines weren't available, there were only 900 deaths. And a 98% survival rate.

https://www.health.gov.au/resources/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-22-june-2021?language=en

Maybe you can post your source for these reported thousands of deaths in just 2 states?

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Can we just stick to the Australian stats on this virus? Using the stats of a country with a population of over 330M, tends to be misleading.

In individual cities in the US tens of thousands died in a few months before lockdowns. It is valid to see the comparative results between those who took action and those who didn't.

You said that it made no difference but when we look at places who didn't effectively lock down quickly the fact that it did make a huge difference is obvious. NY for example were early hit and had 83,000 deaths.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #763 - Jun 13^th, 2024 at 12:34pm

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 10:54pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 7:30pm:

it would always have been better to educate people and let them make their own decisions

the swedish approach

in the end there wasnt any difference between stockholm and melbourne in terms of covid deaths

but the west has really shot itself in the foot with 1/2 of all american states now passing laws that PROHOBIT lockdowns being imposed again

i suppose if there was a nasty virus (not covid) people would voluntarily lockdown

certainly if covid killed young children in large numbers i would expect my daughters to go into voluntary lockdown with the grandkids

thats the point

health should always be a matter between the doctor and the patient

dan andrews or justin trudeau or donald trump arent doctors and they should just present the info to the doctors who should inform the public and let the public decide what risk they are willing to accept

we also face the reality that people have dropped off in other vaccines because they had a negative reaction to mandates

thats unfortunate

i get my tetanus jab every 10 years as i muck around with horses
i am amazed how many people i know who arent up to date with the good vaccines like tetanus

I also had my tetanus shot when my first grandchild was born. Although tetanus is uncommon, it can be very serious. Did you know that if you've had the common cold, that you may already have antibodies against this virus. This explains why 60% of people infected, are asymptomatic during the entire illness.

I agree with you. Any illness that is clearly dangerous to humans, would need no prompting/threats/coercion from the government. People would take whatever actions/advice to avoid being infected, VOLUNTARILLY! But this virus just isn't that virulent to anyone not in the high-risk category.

Also, I don't think the office workers in Brisbane need to start panicking that the bird flu will get them yet. It is unfortunate how a little knowledge can be so dangerous in the hands of some people.

No one knows everything. But before I stick a rushed experimental scheduled 4 poison into my arm(indefinitely), or my children's, I will know everything there is to know about this drug.

The first problem is, there is NO guarantee that the vaccine will stay in the muscles during inoculation. Once these nano-encased lipids get into the bloodstream they can go anywhere in the body. Looking for other ACE2 receptor sites. We are now changing the body's normal metabolism!

I wonder what would've happened if there wasn't any fear-mongering, to herald the arrival of this virus? I doubt if most people would've noticed anything different in their daily lives.

We have had viral outbreaks in Australia since the 60's. But, we never tried to kill the patient to kill the virus. People really don't realize just how close we came to destroying this nation's economy. Just to stop a relatively mild virus! That is insane!

i somewhat concur

but i doubt the vaccines killed many people
just as i doubt covid killed many people (other then those who were in gods waiting room).

the problem is that mandates and lockdowns divided people and made them lose trust in vaccines which is entirely counter productive.

if covid was a terrible scourge maybe we should have pumped out a vaccine without the usual years of trails

but it wasnt

it was just another medical issue and shoudl have been dealt with in exactly the same way as other medical issues

by doctors and patients

not by politicians and police and major social , educational , family and career disruption

people were not allowed to visit dying relatives interstate
were not allowed to be there for births of their children
missed out on weddings and funerals

that was a large over reaction and the public wont take kindly to it again and who knows , it may actually be neccessary in the future

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #764 - Jun 13^th, 2024 at 1:31pm

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 10:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 8:55pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 8:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 8:11pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 5:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 5:03pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 5:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 4:44pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 3:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 11:13am:

Covid Deaths in Australia will soon cross 25,000.

Thru the lock down period Australia had one of the lowest death rates.

Lockdowns began in Australia on the 22nd March 2020. At that time there were only 7 recorded deaths from/with Covid-19. And, only 607 confirmed cases.

The lockdown was officially declared, "finished" in Sept. 2022. Even forced-isolation for those infected. At this time, there were 10,112,229 reported cases of covid-10. There were also 14,421 deaths with/from covid-19(0.1% mortality).

So a 2K times increase in deaths, and a 17K times increase in cases, were all during the lockdown.

Lockdowns have done more damage to the Australian society than the virus ever could. If we ignore everything else, then I agree that the rate was lower. Just NOT the numbers!

That would have to be one of the most twisted pieces of "logic" I've seen in my life.

Surely you're joking Undecided

All I'm saying is that, the lockdown did absolutely nothing to slow the spread, and number of deaths/infections from this virus.

Yes, I know what you're saying, but it's insane.

Do you honestly not understand the flaw in your "reasoning"?

YES, I HONESTLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE FLAW IN MY REASONING!!

I hope you're joking Roll Eyes

NO! I'm not!

That makes it even sadder Undecided

On that, we DO agree!

Read what you've written and figure out where your "logic" is wrong.

You're making a massive fool of yourself. Seriously.

I'll give you a hint:

Can you prove that "the lockdown did absolutely nothing to slow the spread, and number of deaths/infections from this virus"?

Prove. Not give anecdotal evidence or meaningless stats.

Provide proof that "the lockdown did absolutely nothing to slow the spread, and number of deaths/infections from this virus".

I'll tell you now, you can't do it. It's impossible, and that's where you're going wrong.

Sit down and think about it for a minute - the penny will eventually drop.

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