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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #810 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 7:45am

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 5:26am:

when you are the only one masking up on an international flight
and you call the other 499 people insane
i think you need to look in the mirror and own your "narcissistic personality disorder"

I'm not really sure what that has to do with what I've posted?

Perhaps Clippy could give you a hand in future?

Carry on...

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #811 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 8:02am

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 5:26am:

Carl D wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 7:40pm:

Hey, here's some more of aquascoot's awesome "personal responsibility" (that's sarcasm, by the way) on display (not Dr. Michalak but everyone else on the plane) and the main reason why we're swimming in never ending Covid (and flu, RSV, etc.) soup.

https://x.com/drbecs/status/1802117719430775138

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International flight, 35 rows deep, many ‘spicy’ coughs about the place, not a single other mask in sight. Silly that everyone makes a pre-check-in declaration they ‘aren’t infectious or unwell’ when someone can cough up a lung when boarding and @qantas just waves them onboard 🙄

Yes, it is silly, isn't it? And fatal for over 7 million people worldwide so far.

But quite understandable when money is all the airlines (and other businesses) are concerned about.

And those pre-check-in declarations that they ‘aren’t infectious or unwell’ are obviously not worth the paper they're written on.

Just like that International Covenant which Australia is a signatory to that I post about from time to time and our own Federal and State governments' Health Acts.

when you are the only one masking up on an international flight
and you call the other 499 people insane
i think you need to look in the mirror and own your "narcissistic personality disorder"

Thankfully my last flight to Singapore a few weeks ago saw the vast majority of people wearing masks.

The flight back not so much.

The flight there looked like mostly Singaporeans going home, where as the flight back to Brisbane was more Asutralians.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #812 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 9:26am

Anyway... what I would really, really like to know is...

... if SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) is now just a "mild respiratory illness" as aquascoot and others keep telling us then why is it that every time there is an "economic conference" or similar where the rich and powerful meet they always have to take PCR tests before they can attend?

Including the latest one in St. Petersburg earlier this month.

Plus other Covid safety measures.

And I'm sure the airconditioning systems were upgraded too (lots of air changes per hour, filters to the max, etc.). Just like the pollies worldwide have done, even here in Australia with Parliament House in Canberra and probably all of the States and Territories as well.

Not the sort of measures one would expect to see for a "mild respiratory virus", are they?

And I'm also pretty sure they never used to do this for other respiratory illnesses like the flu in the past.

Anyone care to explain? aquascoot? Hello?

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #814 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 5:21pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 5:41pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 5:38pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 12:32pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 12:25pm:

education system or indoctrination system Roll Eyes

Education system.

You confuse critical thinking skills with seeking information that validates your already-held beliefs.

You've been let down because you've been left mainly with the latter, or at least the mistaken belief that the two are equal.

What does your critical thinking skills deduce about a virus that

99.9% of its victims recover?
60% of its victims are completely asymptomatic ?
80% of its elderly victims also recover?
80% of its victims report zero to moderate symptoms?

And, it has been this way for the last 4 years.

Those statistics will give great comfort to the family members of the 7,010,681 people who have died from COVID so far.

It is flippant, and a gross misrepresentation of my comments. I have never implied that these stats COULD give comfort to the family and friends, who've lost love-ones, with/from covid-19. That would be cruel and insensitive!

These stats were meant to give comfort to those infected, to the hundreds of millions of survivors, and to the billions of people around the world who've never been infected.

These stats were also meant to give perspective and context to the media's selective information campaign. I don't want to spread fear and anxiety. Just to sell more papers!

But lets look at the world's stats in context. As of April 13, 2024.

704,753,890 Covid-19 cases
7,919,681     Deaths WITH/FROM covid-19(no specifics added).
675,619,811   Covid-19 recoveries
1.1%             Worldwide case mortality rate

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Clearly this disease is NOT the species-ending diseases it was hyped up to be!

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #815 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 5:43pm

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 5:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 5:41pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 5:38pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 12:32pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 12:25pm:

education system or indoctrination system Roll Eyes

Education system.

You confuse critical thinking skills with seeking information that validates your already-held beliefs.

You've been let down because you've been left mainly with the latter, or at least the mistaken belief that the two are equal.

What does your critical thinking skills deduce about a virus that

99.9% of its victims recover?
60% of its victims are completely asymptomatic ?
80% of its elderly victims also recover?
80% of its victims report zero to moderate symptoms?

And, it has been this way for the last 4 years.

Those statistics will give great comfort to the family members of the 7,010,681 people who have died from COVID so far.

It is flippant, and a gross misrepresentation of my comments. I have never implied that these stats COULD give comfort to the family and friends, who've lost love-ones, with/from covid-19. That would be cruel and insensitive!

These stats were meant to give comfort to those infected, to the hundreds of millions of survivors, and to the billions of people around the world who've never been infected.

These stats were also meant to give perspective and context to the media's selective information campaign. I don't want to spread fear and anxiety. Just to sell more papers!

But lets look at the world's stats in context. As of April 13, 2024.

704,753,890 Covid-19 cases
7,919,681     Deaths WITH/FROM covid-19(no specifics added).
675,619,811   Covid-19 recoveries
1.1%             Worldwide case mortality rate

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Clearly this disease is NOT the species-ending diseases it was hyped up to be!

Who used that term?

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #816 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 6:34pm

Months after being diagnosed with COVID-19, one in five people are still suffering from symptoms, new research finds

One in five adults infected with COVID-19 may still be suffering its effects months after their diagnosis, according to new research out of the United States.

An investigation by more than two dozen researchers found while the average time of recovery was 20 days, an estimated 22.5 per cent failed to recover 90 days after infection.

Vaccination prior to infection and infection during the Omicron variant wave were associated with greater recovery … results were similar for reinfections.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #817 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 7:27pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 6:34pm:

Months after being diagnosed with COVID-19, one in five people are still suffering from symptoms, new research finds

One in five adults infected with COVID-19 may still be suffering its effects months after their diagnosis, according to new research out of the United States.

An investigation by more than two dozen researchers found while the average time of recovery was 20 days, an estimated 22.5 per cent failed to recover 90 days after infection.

Vaccination prior to infection and infection during the Omicron variant wave were associated with greater recovery … results were similar for reinfections.

1 in 5 chodes , when asked

"do you feel tired or have headaches"
"do you prefer to get around in your pyjamas then go to work

said

YES

i'm surprised its not 4 in 5 reporting these vague non specific symptoms Roll Eyes

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #818 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 9:38pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 6:34pm:

Months after being diagnosed with COVID-19, one in five people are still suffering from symptoms, new research finds

One in five adults infected with COVID-19 may still be suffering its effects months after their diagnosis, according to new research out of the United States.

An investigation by more than two dozen researchers found while the average time of recovery was 20 days, an estimated 22.5 per cent failed to recover 90 days after infection.

Vaccination prior to infection and infection during the Omicron variant wave were associated with greater recovery … results were similar for reinfections.

My smell and taste was effected for 6 months after i got it about 9 months ago.

People die of the flu every year. Covid is here to stay and it will take some of us every year until AI designs a solution.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #819 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 10:54pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

Who used that term?

I used this term! I can use another synonym if you like. But I think you get the gist. This media-manufactured hype just didn't exist in reality.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 6:34pm:

Months after being diagnosed with COVID-19, one in five people are still suffering from symptoms, new research finds

One in five adults infected with COVID-19 may still be suffering its effects months after their diagnosis, according to new research out of the United States.

An investigation by more than two dozen researchers found while the average time of recovery was 20 days, an estimated 22.5 per cent failed to recover 90 days after infection.

Vaccination prior to infection and infection during the Omicron variant wave were associated with greater recovery … results were similar for reinfections.

At least the researchers were honest enough to vet their own results. They are basically telling us that there may be errors in their results.

"The research team noted the results may have been limited by the self-reported recovery time and the "potential for measurement error, uncontrolled confounding and selection bias".

Again, we are talking about the research study results done in the US. NOT IN AUSTRALIA! The researchers here have stated that their results are "similar". Does this mean less than one in five? Or, more than one in five?

Even Dr. Gerrard has stated that the term "Long Covid" should be scrapped. And, he explains why.

"Using this term long COVID implies this virus has some unique, exceptional and sinister property that differentiates it from other viruses," Dr John Gerrard said.".

Nothing in this virus makes its properties more exceptional than any other coronaviruses.

But let me ask you just one question, which will make everything about "Long Covid" mute. Out of the almost 12M cases of Covid-19 in Australia since 25 Jan. 2020, just how many Australians have actually died from "Long Covid"??

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #820 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 11:35pm

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 10:54pm:

Even Dr. Gerrard has stated that the term "Long Covid" should be scrapped. And, he explains why.

"Using this term long COVID implies this virus has some unique, exceptional and sinister property that differentiates it from other viruses," Dr John Gerrard said.".

Yes. Yes he did.

And then this happened...

Queensland health apologises over Long Covid comments

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Queensland Health has apologised over any distress caused by comments made by the state's Chief Health Officer calling for the term ‘Long Covid' to be scrapped. John Gerrard earlier this month said that identifying Covid as a sinister or unique virus was “doing more harm than good”.

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Queensland's Acting Chief Health Officer this weekend apologised for the distress caused by the research, telling 9News in a statement that it wasn't the intention. Gerrard could not be reached for comment.

No, of course he couldn't. No surprise there. Roll Eyes

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 10:54pm:

But let me ask you just one question, which will make everything about "Long Covid" mute. Out of the almost 12M cases of Covid-19 in Australia since 25 Jan. 2020, just how many Australians have actually died from "Long Covid"??

The issue here isn't how many have died from "Long Covid". The issue is how many have been so badly affected by it causing many of them to be no longer able to work (or shop and take holidays, etc.) to support the pollies' precious economy.

I don't know the number for Australia at the moment but right now in the UK it's about 2 million people and rising.

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Reply #821 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 1:57am

Carl D wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 11:35pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 10:54pm:

Even Dr. Gerrard has stated that the term "Long Covid" should be scrapped. And, he explains why.

"Using this term long COVID implies this virus has some unique, exceptional and sinister property that differentiates it from other viruses," Dr John Gerrard said.".

Yes. Yes he did.

And then this happened...

Queensland health apologises over Long Covid comments

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Queensland Health has apologised over any distress caused by comments made by the state's Chief Health Officer calling for the term ‘Long Covid' to be scrapped. John Gerrard earlier this month said that identifying Covid as a sinister or unique virus was “doing more harm than good”.

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Queensland's Acting Chief Health Officer this weekend apologised for the distress caused by the research, telling 9News in a statement that it wasn't the intention. Gerrard could not be reached for comment.

No, of course he couldn't. No surprise there. Roll Eyes

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 10:54pm:

But let me ask you just one question, which will make everything about "Long Covid" mute. Out of the almost 12M cases of Covid-19 in Australia since 25 Jan. 2020, just how many Australians have actually died from "Long Covid"??

The issue here isn't how many have died from "Long Covid". The issue is how many have been so badly affected by it causing many of them to be no longer able to work (or shop and take holidays, etc.) to support the pollies' precious economy.

I don't know the number for Australia at the moment but right now in the UK it's about 2 million people and rising.

Dr. Gerrard only apologized because it was politically correct to do so. NOT because he was scientifically incorrect. Telling people the truth about "long covid" would be politically incorrect.

And, good luck with the numbers of deaths, that can be DIRECTLY attributed to "long covid".

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Reply #822 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 6:30am

Carl D wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 11:35pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 10:54pm:

Even Dr. Gerrard has stated that the term "Long Covid" should be scrapped. And, he explains why.

"Using this term long COVID implies this virus has some unique, exceptional and sinister property that differentiates it from other viruses," Dr John Gerrard said.".

Yes. Yes he did.

And then this happened...

Queensland health apologises over Long Covid comments

Quote:

Queensland Health has apologised over any distress caused by comments made by the state's Chief Health Officer calling for the term ‘Long Covid' to be scrapped. John Gerrard earlier this month said that identifying Covid as a sinister or unique virus was “doing more harm than good”.

Quote:

Queensland's Acting Chief Health Officer this weekend apologised for the distress caused by the research, telling 9News in a statement that it wasn't the intention. Gerrard could not be reached for comment.

No, of course he couldn't. No surprise there. Roll Eyes

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 10:54pm:

But let me ask you just one question, which will make everything about "Long Covid" mute. Out of the almost 12M cases of Covid-19 in Australia since 25 Jan. 2020, just how many Australians have actually died from "Long Covid"??

The issue here isn't how many have died from "Long Covid". The issue is how many have been so badly affected by it causing many of them to be no longer able to work (or shop and take holidays, etc.) to support the pollies' precious economy.

I don't know the number for Australia at the moment but right now in the UK it's about 2 million people and rising.

2 million and rising

BULL poo Roll Eyes

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #823 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 8:01am

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 1:57am:

Dr. Gerrard only apologized because it was politically correct to do so. NOT because he was scientifically incorrect. Telling people the truth about "long covid" would be politically incorrect.

And, good luck with the numbers of deaths, that can be DIRECTLY attributed to "long covid".

Dr. Gerrard didn't apologise.

Dr. Gerrard has NEVER apologised for any of the mistakes he's made about Covid since becoming Queensland's CHO nearly 3 years ago.

Mistakes that have largely contributed to the deaths of 3,700 Queenslanders so far since Queensland (like the rest of the country) "opened up and let it (Covid) rip".

Queensland's Acting Chief Health Officer apologised on his behalf (actually, it was on behalf of Queensland Health and not Gerrard himself because Gerrard "could not be reached for comment". I believe that in itself is significant because I'm sure the Acting CHO would have been in big trouble with Gerrard if the apology had been made on his behalf and especially if it was made without Gerrard knowing about it).

Apparently Gerrard went on holidays shortly after making his Long Covid comments - how convenient.

And, yes - it would be "good luck" with finding out the numbers of deaths that can be DIRECTLY attributed to "Long Covid" because it's like 'getting blood out of stone' finding out the number of actual Covid deaths these days - except the deaths in aged care. And I'm sure we won't be seeing those for too much longer (but the deaths won't be stopping, of course).

aquascoot wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 6:30am:

2 million and rising

BULL poo Roll Eyes

Prevalence of ongoing symptoms following coronavirus (COVID-19) infection in the UK: 30 March 2023

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An estimated 1.9 million people living in private households in the UK (2.9% of the population) were experiencing self-reported long COVID (symptoms continuing for more than four weeks after the first confirmed or suspected coronavirus (COVID-19) infection that were not explained by something else) as of 5 March 2023

This is the latest release
30 March 2023

Nearly a year and a half old and no new releases since.

No surprise there - just like Australia is now doing the UK has been slowly but steadily 'hiding' the increasing case numbers, deaths and now Long Covid cases.

Might actually be 3 or 4 million UK Long Covid cases by now if their government (like ours) didn't lack the intestinal fortitude to release an up to date report.

And...

Every COVID Infection Increases Your Risk of Long COVID, Study Warns

Dec 27, 2023

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“Each subsequent COVID infection will increase your risk of developing chronic health issues like diabetes, kidney disease, organ failure and even mental health problems,” physician Rambod Rouhbakhsh warned journalist Sara Berg in an American Medical Association podcast earlier this year.

“This dispels the myth that repeated brushes with the virus are mild and you don’t have to worry about it. It is akin to playing Russian roulette.”

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The adverse health effects from two infections are worse than one, and three infections worse than two, the researchers explain. This means long COVID is cumulative, at least within this group of people and with this number of re-infections.

As their research is only based on US veterans affairs patients, it may not translate to everyone, but this is not the only study to find this concerning trend.

A study with much broader sampling involving people aged 18 and over across 10 Canadian provinces points to the same conclusion.

No wonder governments worldwide have taken a 'vow of silence' regarding Covid nowadays.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #824 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 1:08pm

carl

you are a silly billy.

most people nowadays eat a totally processed diet of pure garbage
they couldnt walk up 6 flights of stairs
they sit on the couch and binge watch netflix
they drink and smoke pot

they are , of course, going to suffer depression, chronic tiredness, fatigue, body aches and pains because of their garbage lifestyle

now YOU come along and tell them they can blame ALL THESE THINGS on covid (which nearly everyone has had) and not have to blame their own garbage lifestyle for their garbage health

of course they are going to take you up on the offer

smart people like John Gerrard tell them to piss off with their lies.

YOU are an ENABLER

shame on you

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