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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34272 Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #840 - Jun 20^th, 2024 at 4:42pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 20^th, 2024 at 3:29pm: LOL, poor Scoot, giving Booby a run for “Biggest idiot of OzPol.” most "real" ausrtralians consider carl to be a cult leader about as reputable as david koresh
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 45888 Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #841 - Jun 20^th, 2024 at 4:48pm You mean—other idiots like you?
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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34272 Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #842 - Jun 20^th, 2024 at 4:56pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 20^th, 2024 at 4:48pm: You mean—other idiots like you? are you calling 99.9 % of the population idiots? your cult leader was sooking because 500 of the 501 people on a plane werent wearing masks. that makes you and carl members of a very small weird cult yuk
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Reply #843 - Jun 20^th, 2024 at 5:35pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 20^th, 2024 at 4:42pm:

most "real" ausrtralians consider carl to be a cult leader about as reputable as david koresh Cry

aquascoot wrote on Jun 20^th, 2024 at 4:56pm:

are you calling 99.9 % of the population idiots?

your cult leader was sooking because 500 of the 501 people on a plane werent wearing masks.

that makes you and carl members of a very small weird cult

yuk Cry

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34272 Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #844 - Jun 20^th, 2024 at 6:57pm hi there david are you and the branch davidians staying safe
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Reply #845 - Jun 20^th, 2024 at 9:49pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 20^th, 2024 at 3:41pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 20^th, 2024 at 3:35pm:

... nothing man can do will stop people from being infected by a virus!

When was the last time you met someone with polio?

Smallpox is the only infectiuos diease that the WHO has declared totally eradicated. ONE down, and many more infectious diseases to go!

Not since the early 2000 has anyone in Oz has had polio. But the poliovirus still exist in Pakistan and Afghanistan. So, unless an infected person from these countries comes to Australia, poops or spits in your coffee, you've got nothing to worry about.

It is a testament to genius of Jonas Salk. The vaccine he used is made up of inactive REAL polioviruses. NOT this lab-created coded mRNA strand, that forces normal cells to make viral antigens.

But even if I did meet a person in Oz infected with polio, I still wouldn't worry. Only 0.5% of ALL those infected become paralized. And, only 10-20% of those paralyzed will die. In fact, Polio has a case mortality rate even less than Covid-19, measles, mumps, smallpox, and the common flu. So again not to worry!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_disease_case_fatality_rates

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Reply #846 - Jun 20^th, 2024 at 10:50pm

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 20^th, 2024 at 9:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 20^th, 2024 at 3:41pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 20^th, 2024 at 3:35pm:

... nothing man can do will stop people from being infected by a virus!

When was the last time you met someone with polio?

Smallpox is the only infectiuos diease that the WHO has declared totally eradicated.

Ah.

So, you retract this statement?

"nothing man can do will stop people from being infected by a virus!"

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Reply #847 - Jun 21^st, 2024 at 12:00am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 20^th, 2024 at 10:50pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 20^th, 2024 at 9:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 20^th, 2024 at 3:41pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 20^th, 2024 at 3:35pm:

... nothing man can do will stop people from being infected by a virus!

When was the last time you met someone with polio?

Smallpox is the only infectiuos diease that the WHO has declared totally eradicated.

Ah.

So, you retract this statement?

"nothing man can do will stop people from being infected by a virus!"

When I say infected, I mean when any virus decides to use you as a host. It goes up your nose/mouth and finds a favorite cell to infect. There is nothing we can do to stop this. Unless all citzens are wearing special clothing all the time.

We may not be able to prevent being infected. But, we can prevent the illness

But if you have the proper antibodies(from vaccines), then the infection WON'T PROGRESS TO BECOME THE DISEASE!

That is what I mean by becoming infected. Viruses are smaller than the visible wavelength of light. How do you suggest we prevent viruses from infecting us?

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Reply #848 - Jun 21^st, 2024 at 12:48am

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 21^st, 2024 at 12:00am:

When I say infected, I mean when any virus decides to use you as a host. It goes up your nose/mouth and finds a favorite cell to infect.

Indeed.

So, why do you think the 'best advice' from our governments and health departments (apart from getting vaccinated which doesn't stop you being infected and infecting others) is to wash and sanitise your hands and cough and sneeze into your hand or elbow?

Why no mention of wearing (high quality) masks? Or any type of mask at all?

Perhaps it's because masks are a very visible reminder that we're still in the middle of a pandemic and that 'upsets' businesses and the economy in general?

And I am also 100% certain that our governments are now too gutless to try and reinstate mask mandates anywhere or even recommend wearing them. Even if they wanted to - which they obviously don't.

Someone said last year that a study should be done to try and find out why masks seem to be the equivalent of poison in this country (and most western countries). I believe I've already posted the answer to that - see above.

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How do you suggest we prevent viruses from infecting us?

Well, not by endlessly washing and sanitising your hands and shopping trolley handles and coughing and sneezing into your hand or elbow.

And certainly not by doing things like this (taken by me at Belmont Forum shopping centre last September - and it's still there, by the way):

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34272 Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #849 - Jun 21^st, 2024 at 4:55am other people take pics of their grandkids carl takes photos of the escalators at belmont shopping centre and carl thinks everyone else is a weirdo
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Reply #850 - Jun 21^st, 2024 at 7:09am

aquascoot wrote on Jun 21^st, 2024 at 4:55am:

other people take pics of their grandkids

carl takes photos of the escalators at belmont shopping centre

and carl thinks everyone else is a weirdo

Your posts still tend to make me believe you could be working for some obscure government department responsible for spreading misinformation/disinformation and providing general distractions about this pandemic (in between selling $2 bags of horse manure).

But, the main problem I have with that theory is you're still not very good at it. Hopeless, in fact.

Mind you, there is still the chance that it could be true because, after all, being hopeless and incompetent seems to be one of the main qualifcations for working in government (especially politicians and public "servants") these days.

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34272 Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #851 - Jun 21^st, 2024 at 2:03pm so the government the public service and politicians are all in on the conspiracy and only carl knows the truth you sound like alex jones
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Reply #852 - Jun 21^st, 2024 at 2:25pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 21^st, 2024 at 12:48am:

Indeed.

So, why do you think the 'best advice' from our governments and health departments (apart from getting vaccinated which doesn't stop you being infected and infecting others) is to wash and sanitise your hands and cough and sneeze into your hand or elbow?

Because any other advice would be a lie! How can you enforce masking and distancing? Will it eventually become the new dystopia, where we shoot/arrest all violators on sight?

Carl D wrote on Jun 21^st, 2024 at 12:48am:

Why no mention of wearing (high quality) masks? Or any type of mask at all?

Perhaps it's because masks are a very visible reminder that we're still in the middle of a pandemic and that 'upsets' businesses and the economy in general?

Masks are not poison. I think the most obvious answer is, MASK DON'T WORK! In theory or in practice.

Masks were NOT designed to prevent tiny viruses from infecting us.
Masts were NOT designed to fit all faces perfectly.
Wearers can still breathe in LARGE pathogens from the sides and the top of the mask.
Pathogens can enter through the eyes and into the tear ducts.
Masks need to be taken off when eating, drinking, or sleeping.
Masks can't prevent the wearer from infecting others.
For many, masks can make breathing difficult.

I think that the wearing of masks has indeed had a very negative impact on our economy. And on our society in general. So, yes it would be prudent and logical that the government never make this same mistakes again.

Carl D wrote on Jun 21^st, 2024 at 12:48am:

And I am also 100% certain that our governments are now too gutless to try and reinstate mask mandates anywhere or even recommend wearing them. Even if they wanted to - which they obviously don't.

Why would the government reinstate its own failed policies?? Especially when they don't work. How does the government reconcile the fact, that people are still being infected and dying, in spite of all their mandates, closures and restrictions??

Why would you want to enslave your own people again? Forever! This would be an insane thing to do. Unless you are a true misanthrope!

Carl D wrote on Jun 21^st, 2024 at 12:48am:

Well, not by endlessly washing and sanitising your hands and shopping trolley handles and coughing and sneezing into your hand or elbow.

And certainly not by doing things like this (taken by me at Belmont Forum shopping centre last September - and it's still there, by the way):

The question was not what you WOULDN'T do. But what you WOULD do to prevent people from becoming infected?!

If the government was serious in stopping infections, it would issue us all self-contained Hazmat suits. Which must be worn at all times, forever!

All this, for a disease with a CMR of less than 1% for the last 4 years? Do you think that we're all going to die, if we do nothing about this disease? Do you think there's no medical treatment for this disease?

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Reply #853 - Jun 21^st, 2024 at 3:34pm

Pssst... I'll let you in on a little secret.

Masks DO work.

Masks like K95's, P2's, KN95's, etc. that is.

And only if they're fitted properly.

The masks that DON'T work are 'baggy blue' surgicals (although they are better than nothing) which I saw most people wearing when we had mask mandates nearly 3 years ago... and they especially don't work when a large number of the 'baggy bluers' were wearing their masks under their noses and chins all the time.

The ones that especially amused me were the ones walking around shopping centres for ages with a drink bottle or a paper coffee cup (probably empty) in their hands and their 'baggy blues' under their chins so they could take advantage of the 'rule' that said you don't have to wear a mask when you're eating or drinking.

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Reply #854 - Jun 21^st, 2024 at 4:07pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 21^st, 2024 at 3:34pm:

Pssst... I'll let you in on a little secret.

Masks DO work.

Masks like K95's, P2's, KN95's, etc. that is.

And only if they're fitted properly.

The masks that DON'T work are 'baggy blue' surgicals (although they are better than nothing) which I saw most people wearing when we had mask mandates nearly 3 years ago... and they especially don't work when a large number of the 'baggy bluers' were wearing their masks under their noses and chins all the time.

The ones that especially amused me were the ones walking around shopping centres for ages with a drink bottle or a paper coffee cup (probably empty) in their hands and their 'baggy blues' under their chins so they could take advantage of the 'rule' that said you don't have to wear a mask when you're eating or drinking.

Simply saying that something is true, does NOT make it so! Exactly how do you eat or drink while wearing a mask? YOU CAN'T!! So being allowed to do this is just allowing for the obvious!

No mask can fit anyone perfectly. If you have facial hair, or any open gaps in the fit, pathogens can enter. Masks are marginally better than covering your mouth and nose with your hands, when you sneeze or cough.

Even if mask did prevent infections in 100% of cases, do we then start covering the eyes?

I've given you specific reasons why masks(regardless of grade/type) don't prevent people from being infected. Maybe you can provide the specifics why masks do work?!

Again, what are your suggestions to prevent people from being infected with this mild flu-like virus? Just how far, and how long are you willing to go for the common good? NO LIMIT???

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