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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #855 - Jun 21^st, 2024 at 5:23pm

Meanwhile (and I am sure that aquascoot and ShellShilo think this is perfectly normal) there has been another 59 Covid deaths in Australian aged care this week.

https://x.com/BigBadDenis/status/1804021987007942858

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COVID-19 outbreaks in Australian residential aged care facilities: 20 June 2024

🔹Active cases: 3,737 (-306)
🔹Active outbreaks: 453 (-7)
🔹Residents: 2,724 (-115)
🔹Staff: 1,013 (-191)
🔹Reported deaths in 2024: 610 (+59)

https://x.com/BigBadDenis/status/1804021989163831708

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🔸6,736 aged care COVID deaths since beginning of pandemic

🔸686 reported deaths in 2020
🔸226 reported deaths in 2021
🔸3,855 reported deaths in 2022
🔸1,359 reported deaths in 2023
🔸610 reported deaths in 2024

I'm sure if there was a bus crash today resulting in the deaths of 59 elderly people it would be front page news around the country and on every TV news bulletin (and another photo op for Albanese).

And we'd no doubt be seeing and hearing about it for at least a week.

59 Covid deaths in aged care.... chirping crickets.

Same as the more than 100 aged care deaths in the previous 3 weeks.

Needless to say (once again)... the majority of the Australian population have no idea what's happening with all of these aged care deaths... just the way the pollies, big business and the media want it.

Disgraceful stuff.

I (and the very few other people who are aware of this carnage) thought Australia was better than this. Sadly, we were mistaken.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102827 Melbourne Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #856 - Jun 22^nd, 2024 at 3:08pm Covid? This guy wants to hang all the politicians - LOL He's had enough - he wants to line them all up and punch the bugger out of them. Does he have anger management problems? Video: https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/162/814/582/playable/422e82...
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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #857 - Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 1:24am

Carl D wrote on Jun 21^st, 2024 at 5:23pm:

Meanwhile (and I am sure that aquascoot and ShellShilo think this is perfectly normal) there has been another 59 Covid deaths in Australian aged care this week.

https://x.com/BigBadDenis/status/1804021987007942858

Quote:

COVID-19 outbreaks in Australian residential aged care facilities: 20 June 2024

🔹Active cases: 3,737 (-306)
🔹Active outbreaks: 453 (-7)
🔹Residents: 2,724 (-115)
🔹Staff: 1,013 (-191)
🔹Reported deaths in 2024: 610 (+59)

https://x.com/BigBadDenis/status/1804021989163831708

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🔸6,736 aged care COVID deaths since beginning of pandemic

🔸686 reported deaths in 2020
🔸226 reported deaths in 2021
🔸3,855 reported deaths in 2022
🔸1,359 reported deaths in 2023
🔸610 reported deaths in 2024

I'm sure if there was a bus crash today resulting in the deaths of 59 elderly people it would be front page news around the country and on every TV news bulletin (and another photo op for Albanese).

And we'd no doubt be seeing and hearing about it for at least a week.

59 Covid deaths in aged care.... chirping crickets.

Same as the more than 100 aged care deaths in the previous 3 weeks.

Needless to say (once again)... the majority of the Australian population have no idea what's happening with all of these aged care deaths... just the way the pollies, big business and the media want it.

Disgraceful stuff.

I (and the very few other people who are aware of this carnage) thought Australia was better than this. Sadly, we were mistaken.

I assume there must be a reason for keeping everyone informed that 5(avg) elderly resident of nursing homes, and aged care facilities, are dying each day. Throughout all of Australia.

What would you suggest we do to stop the elderly from dying in these facilities??

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #858 - Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 1:39am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2024 at 3:08pm:

Covid?

This guy wants to hang all the politicians - LOL
He's had enough - he wants to line them all up and punch the bugger out of them.
Does he have anger management problems?

Video:

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/162/814/582/playable/422e82...

You can really find some characters, Bobby. This guy is embellishing how much concern he had for this specific virus. I don't really blame the guy for how he feels about the exaggerated seriousness of the WuhanFlu. But, he could have worded it to a style without making empty threats of killing politicians.

I wonder what has happened recently that gets him upset. I managed to get through the last 4 years relatively unscathed. Whilst you guys were buying up toilet paper from the supermarkets, we had our supermarket supplies in stock a good month after you guys started panic buying. It was just a matter of wearing a mask when you went out in public for the time period about 2 weeks at most.

The guy needs to get over himself.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #859 - Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 6:30am

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 1:24am:

Carl D wrote on Jun 21^st, 2024 at 5:23pm:

Meanwhile (and I am sure that aquascoot and ShellShilo think this is perfectly normal) there has been another 59 Covid deaths in Australian aged care this week.

https://x.com/BigBadDenis/status/1804021987007942858

Quote:

COVID-19 outbreaks in Australian residential aged care facilities: 20 June 2024

🔹Active cases: 3,737 (-306)
🔹Active outbreaks: 453 (-7)
🔹Residents: 2,724 (-115)
🔹Staff: 1,013 (-191)
🔹Reported deaths in 2024: 610 (+59)

https://x.com/BigBadDenis/status/1804021989163831708

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🔸6,736 aged care COVID deaths since beginning of pandemic

🔸686 reported deaths in 2020
🔸226 reported deaths in 2021
🔸3,855 reported deaths in 2022
🔸1,359 reported deaths in 2023
🔸610 reported deaths in 2024

I'm sure if there was a bus crash today resulting in the deaths of 59 elderly people it would be front page news around the country and on every TV news bulletin (and another photo op for Albanese).

And we'd no doubt be seeing and hearing about it for at least a week.

59 Covid deaths in aged care.... chirping crickets.

Same as the more than 100 aged care deaths in the previous 3 weeks.

Needless to say (once again)... the majority of the Australian population have no idea what's happening with all of these aged care deaths... just the way the pollies, big business and the media want it.

Disgraceful stuff.

I (and the very few other people who are aware of this carnage) thought Australia was better than this. Sadly, we were mistaken.

I assume there must be a reason for keeping everyone informed that 5(avg) elderly resident of nursing homes, and aged care facilities, are dying each day. Throughout all of Australia.

What would you suggest we do to stop the elderly from dying in these facilities??

carl wants legislation to outlaw death
anything less is a government cop out.

there should be huge fines for nursing homes when a "living gem" dies

the loving children who dumped them there need answers .

heaven forbid they took some "personal responsibility" for looking after the elderly.

nope

they shut them away to cure thier own severe death anxiety and then virtue signal by crying crocodile tears when a kind virus ends their decay.

this "outrage" is about salving the guilt of the ones who "granny dumped"

it has nothing to do with the quality of life of the elderly.

how do we know?

less then1/2 of the elderly in nursing homes have allowed themselves to be vaccine boosted in the last 12 months

unlike carl, they accept the inevitability of death and want a peaceful death, not a horrible slow deacy

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #860 - Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 8:01am

I see it took nearly two days for our main two 'death and disease apologists' to come up with some sort of replies to my last post about the disgrace of the continuing (and escalating) Covid deaths in Australian aged care.

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 1:24am:

What would you suggest we do to stop the elderly from dying in these facilities??

How about they start to do SOMETHING as opposed to the NOTHING that they're doing right now?

"We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas"

Mandatory masks (not baggy blue surgicals) worn properly - not under the nose or chin, testing for all residents, staff and visitors and isolation for positive cases as well as making sure everyone is up to date with their vaccinations would be a good start.

Which brings me to:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 6:30am:

less then1/2 of the elderly in nursing homes have allowed themselves to be vaccine boosted in the last 12 months

Well, 'death and disease apologist' #1 (although it is a close contest between you and ShellShilo but you're still in the lead so far), let me try to explain this to you again - the main reason why the elderly in nursing homes (and the majority of the Australian population) are not up to date with their Covid (and flu) vaccinations is because our governments have managed to convince almost everyone that the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic is over and it's now just another 'normal' cold or flu. Which it isn't, of course.

The 'antivaxxer' and 'antimasker' brigades (and there's a lot of these in our healthcare systems too) also have a lot to do with this.

How many times do I have to keep repeating all of this?

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #861 - Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 8:03am

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 1:39am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2024 at 3:08pm:

Covid?

This guy wants to hang all the politicians - LOL
He's had enough - he wants to line them all up and punch the bugger out of them.
Does he have anger management problems?

Video:

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/162/814/582/playable/422e82...

You can really find some characters, Bobby. This guy is embellishing how much concern he had for this specific virus. I don't really blame the guy for how he feels about the exaggerated seriousness of the WuhanFlu. But, he could have worded it to a style without making empty threats of killing politicians.

I wonder what has happened recently that gets him upset. I managed to get through the last 4 years relatively unscathed. Whilst you guys were buying up toilet paper from the supermarkets, we had our supermarket supplies in stock a good month after you guys started panic buying. It was just a matter of wearing a mask when you went out in public for the time period about 2 weeks at most.

The guy needs to get over himself.

I thought it was funny video.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #862 - Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 9:01am

By the way, 'death and disease apologist' #1 (that's you aquascoot)...

... is there any chance we could get to see proof that SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) is now just a "mild respiratory virus" as you keep claiming?

I'm not really in a hurry to see it (because it doesn't exist) but it has been quite a while since I asked.

And, while you're here... perhaps you could find out why the rich and powerful need to have PCR tests (no unreliable RATs for them) and other Covid protections every time they've had one of their "economic conferences" while the rest of us are left to swim in Covid soup?

As I said... no hurry. But sometime before the end of this year would be great.

Thanks.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #863 - Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 1:38pm

sure,

its MILD.

a MILD football injury like a slightly sprained ankle puts you out of action for a week
(as opposed to a nasty injury like an ACL that puts you our for a year).

a MILD virus like covid puts you out of action for a week (for many people MUCH LESS Cheesy

)
(as opposed to a nasty illness like hepatitis or meningitis which might lay you up for much more)

covid is MILD by any definition.

its so mild its often asymptomatic

it only bothers the severely frail and those with terrible lifestyle choices (the obese for example)

if you are young and take personal responsibility , its a nothing burger
if you are very old and just lingering and slowly decaying, its a gift.

only those with a very large ego think they have the right to live forever

big ego = big suffering

maybe try to shrink your ego and sense of self importance carl

maybe stop worrying about your own self and think about all those teenagers harmed by lockdown to keep YOU safe

a little bit of gratitude would be in order Roll Eyes

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Reply #864 - Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 1:50pm

Oh, look...here's more evidence that Covid isn't "mild" or "just a cold".

The relationship between SARS-CoV-2 infection and type 1 diabetes mellitus

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Epidemiological studies and meta-analyses reported an increase in the incidence of type 1 diabetes mellitus during the COVID-19 pandemic as well as an association between SARS-CoV-2 infection and the risk of new-onset type 1 diabetes mellitus.

Angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), transmembrane serine protease 2 (TMPRSS2) and alternative receptors of SARS-CoV-2 have been identified in several human cell types, including pancreatic islet β-cells.

SARS-CoV-2 proteins are detected in both exocrine and endocrine cells (including β-cells) of post-mortem pancreas samples from patients with COVID-19 and in samples from non-human primates intranasally or intratracheally infected with SARS-CoV-2.

SARS-CoV-2 can infect and replicate in pancreatic β-cells ex vivo, resulting in structural and functional alterations of these cells.

Pro-inflammatory cytokines produced during SARS-CoV-2 infection can impair human pancreatic islet function.

SARS-CoV-2 infection might promote islet autoimmunity through various mechanisms, including bystander activation of T cells, disruption of peripheral tolerance, viral persistence, molecular mimicry and activation of endogenous human retroviruses.

And I'm sure this will also be ignored by our governments... and our resident 'death and disease apologists'.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #865 - Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 2:36pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 8:03am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 1:39am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2024 at 3:08pm:

Covid?

This guy wants to hang all the politicians - LOL
He's had enough - he wants to line them all up and punch the bugger out of them.
Does he have anger management problems?

Video:

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/162/814/582/playable/422e82...

You can really find some characters, Bobby. This guy is embellishing how much concern he had for this specific virus. I don't really blame the guy for how he feels about the exaggerated seriousness of the WuhanFlu. But, he could have worded it to a style without making empty threats of killing politicians.

I wonder what has happened recently that gets him upset. I managed to get through the last 4 years relatively unscathed. Whilst you guys were buying up toilet paper from the supermarkets, we had our supermarket supplies in stock a good month after you guys started panic buying. It was just a matter of wearing a mask when you went out in public for the time period about 2 weeks at most.

The guy needs to get over himself.

I thought it was funny video.

He seemed serious.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #866 - Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 2:49pm

Now, let's see... who should I believe?

Is it:

(a) Real medical experts who are releasing study after study which shows SARS-CoV-2 isn't a "mild respiratory virus" or "just a cold". And it's not just the elderly dying and suffering.

Or:

(b) A farmer living in Nowheresville, Outback Queensland (population: 10) who sells $2 bags of horse manure (and posts more of it on OzPolitic every day).

Hmm... tough choice. Undecided

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #867 - Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 3:45pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 1:50pm:

Oh, look...here's more evidence that Covid isn't "mild" or "just a cold".

The relationship between SARS-CoV-2 infection and type 1 diabetes mellitus

Quote:

Key points

Epidemiological studies and meta-analyses reported an increase in the incidence of type 1 diabetes mellitus during the COVID-19 pandemic as well as an association between SARS-CoV-2 infection and the risk of new-onset type 1 diabetes mellitus.

Angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), transmembrane serine protease 2 (TMPRSS2) and alternative receptors of SARS-CoV-2 have been identified in several human cell types, including pancreatic islet β-cells.

SARS-CoV-2 proteins are detected in both exocrine and endocrine cells (including β-cells) of post-mortem pancreas samples from patients with COVID-19 and in samples from non-human primates intranasally or intratracheally infected with SARS-CoV-2.

SARS-CoV-2 can infect and replicate in pancreatic β-cells ex vivo, resulting in structural and functional alterations of these cells.

Pro-inflammatory cytokines produced during SARS-CoV-2 infection can impair human pancreatic islet function.

SARS-CoV-2 infection might promote islet autoimmunity through various mechanisms, including bystander activation of T cells, disruption of peripheral tolerance, viral persistence, molecular mimicry and activation of endogenous human retroviruses.

And I'm sure this will also be ignored by our governments... and our resident 'death and disease apologists'.

Based on the weekly, monthly, or even yearly case mortality rates of covid-19 alone, this is clearly a very mild flu.

Based on the reported number of asymptomatic carriers(60% of cases) who were unaware that they were infected, this is clearly a very mild flu.

Based of the severity of the symptoms reported(80% from zero to mild), this is clearly a very mild flu.

These stats have been consistent for the last 4 years. What is YOUR evidence that would suggest, that Covid-19 is anything BUT a mild form of the flu??

Clearly you do not understand the role of the ACE2 receptor sites(which are all over the body), including the beta cells in the pancreas(produce insulin), or the function of the immune system.

Why is there an autoimmune response in the Beta cells? What other biochemical pathways contribute to type 1 diabetes? What does peripheral tolerance, human retroviruses, or pro-inflammatory cytokines mean? What do the T-cells(lymphocytes) do?

The problem with blindly accepting what experts say, is that you don't know when, or if their wrong. Sometimes it only takes a little research, and a little common sense to find the truth.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #868 - Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 4:35pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 2:49pm:

Now, let's see... who should I believe?

Is it:

(a) Real medical experts who are releasing study after study which shows SARS-CoV-2 isn't a "mild respiratory virus" or "just a cold". And it's not just the elderly dying and suffering.

Or:

(b) A farmer living in Nowheresville, Outback Queensland (population: 10) who sells $2 bags of horse manure (and posts more of it on OzPolitic every day).

Hmm... tough choice. Undecided

who to believe

a an old codger from perth with no qualifications

b a qld state health officer with 3 medical degrees

Hmm....tough choice Roll Eyes

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #869 - Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 5:30pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 1:50pm:

Oh, look...here's more evidence that Covid isn't "mild" or "just a cold".

The relationship between SARS-CoV-2 infection and type 1 diabetes mellitus

My interaction with a lady with type 1 diabetes.... on facebook.... was one where she said that her insulin medication was about as useful as injecting water. She was sick for quite a long time because of covid.

As a type 2 diabetic, if I caught the virus, I would probably be sicker than many people who have no diabetic conditions. Dad is a type 2 diabetic. When he caught covid, he described it as a heavy cold.

Whenever I catch influenza, it takes me 2 weeks to recover. The first week, I am in a bad state of health. I get to kill off the virus with lemon water. Then the second week is the recovery stage where I am just mucousy for a while waiting for the taste and smell to return. Normally, I don't eat all that much during the influenza. I can lose quite a bit of weight during that stage. But the diabetes limits how quickly I recover.

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