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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34272 Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #900 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 8:54pm i know plenty of people i'm going on a quest to find someone who knows someone who died of covid . it seems harder then one might think if what carl and berger say is true
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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #901 - Jun 28^th, 2024 at 1:24am

Carl D wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 8:13pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 8:00pm:

carl, do a poll.

ask around and see if your friends know anyone who died of covid

i dont and i was asking my colleagues and they dont either.

weird

Not really so weird if you're living on a farm in Nowheresville, Outback Queensland (population: still 10).

And, I hope you're not trying to say that SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) hasn't killed anyone in the past four and a half years.

Please tell me that isn't what you're implying.

You should really read this for context. Pay attention to words like "underlying causes", "associated causes", "preexisting chronic conditions", and "other causes", as they relate to the deaths attributed to Covid-19.

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-australia-deaths-registered-until-31-january-2024

Instead of just parroting incomplete stats, half-truths, and omissions, maybe you could turn your powers of alarmism into reassurance? For the common good!

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #902 - Jun 28^th, 2024 at 1:52am

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 28^th, 2024 at 1:24am:

You should really read this for context. Pay attention to words like "underlying causes", "associated causes", "preexisting chronic conditions", and "other causes", as they relate to the deaths attributed to Covid-19.

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-australia-deaths-registered-until-31-january-2024

Instead of just parroting incomplete stats, half-truths, and omissions, maybe you could turn your powers of alarmism into reassurance? For the common good!

Of course.

But, I've posted that link myself just recently and it was ignored by the 'usual suspects' here.

So, let's have another look, shall we?

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-australia-deaths-registered-u...

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21,827 of the 687,639 death registrations received by the ABS between March 2020 and January 2024 were of people who died from or with COVID-19.
The underlying cause of death for 17,276 of these people was COVID-19.
There were a further 4,551 people who died of other causes (e.g. cancer) but COVID-19 contributed to their death.

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The underlying cause of death for 17,276 of these people was COVID-19.

17,276 out of 21,827 deaths.

That's almost 80% of Covid deaths that were a direct result of COVID-19 (79.149677% to be exact).

To make it really simple for you: 17,276 Australians would still be alive (or would at least have had longer lives if they were very elderly) if they hadn't been infected with COVID-19.

And it's been that same approximately 80% for every one of those "COVID-19 Mortality in Australia" reports that have been released ever since Covid was allowed to run rampant and all remaining protections were removed nearly 3 years ago.

Which, once again, settles the "from or with COVID-19" BS that we've been hearing over and over for the past few years. Not just on here, but also on social media.

I've even seen quite a few idiots still going on with this "from or with Covid" crap on X (formerly Twitter) just recently regarding the disgrace of the escalating aged care deaths in Australia.

Speaking of which, there should be another aged care Covid report due tomorrow... I'll post the numbers when they become available (unless the Federal and State governments stops reporting them like they've already done with nearly all other Covid case numbers, hospitalisations and deaths reporting).

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Reply #903 - Jun 28^th, 2024 at 5:35pm

Another 47
Covid deaths in Australian aged care this week.

https://x.com/BigBadDenis/status/1806576442789990796

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COVID-19 outbreaks in Australian residential aged care facilities: 27 June 2024

🔹Active cases: 3,429 (-224)
🔹Active outbreaks: 406 (-27)
🔹Residents: 2,429 (-240)
🔹Staff: 1,000 (+16)
🔹Reported deaths in 2024: 657 (+47)

https://x.com/BigBadDenis/status/1806576445587886388

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🔸6,783 aged care COVID deaths since beginning of pandemic

🔸686 reported deaths in 2020
🔸226 reported deaths in 2021
🔸3,855 reported deaths in 2022
🔸1,359 reported deaths in 2023
🔸657 reported deaths in 2024

Denis 'tags' these two every week - @AnikaWells and @AlboMP but a fat lot of good it would do.

Wells (or her social media team) hasn't posted on X since last November and Albanese (or his social media team) is too busy posting any pointless crap that involves yet another photo op for him.

In addition, there is a Covid report from the ACT this week, 4 more deaths reported there.

https://x.com/BigBadDenis/status/1806528457683419541

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ACT weekly COVID update: 21 June to 27 June

🔹PCR cases only: 215 (+13.1%)
🔹Deaths: 4 (+4)
🔹Total deaths: 324 (+4)
🔹Hospital: 40 (-9.0%)
🔹ICU: 0 (+0)
🔹Vent: 0 (+0)

And Victoria:

https://x.com/AndrewHewat/status/1806474421831688268

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Vic COVID update:
"The number of people in hospital with COVID-19 has decreased this week. The 7-day average is 254 compared to 311 last week"
Good news-peak passed (for now)
Bad news-wastewater reporting dumped
Why? Seriously? Let's just fly completely blind with a novel virus

So, no more wastewater reporting for Victoria. Wastewater testing results are the most accurate indication of how much Covid is in the community (because almost no one is testing and you can only report PCR tests) and now they're hiding that.

I wonder which State or Territory will be next to 'hide' this reporting? I don't know who else still reports (I know WA still does) but I'm betting we won't be seeing any more wastewater reporting (or aged care deaths reporting) before the end of the year - probably sooner.

If you take a close look at that Victorian Covid Summary it shows there were 212 Covid related deaths between the 15th May and the 11th June - 53 deaths a week.

I can just imagine how bad the numbers must be for the rest of Australia (especially NSW) right now if they weren't being 'hidden'.

Disgraceful stuff.

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Reply #904 - Jun 28^th, 2024 at 5:40pm

i think thats where we differ carl.

from what i have seen, most people stay at home until they lose control of their bowels, they cannot stand up on their own or they develop dementia and , only then, do they go to a nursing home.

to me, that would be hell and i would be extremely pleased to get out of there with a dose of a respiratory virus.

what is the alternative?

lie there , doing nothing , going nowhere, and enable pharmacists, doctors and the corporations to make money by prolonging your existence?

to what end?

once i cant walk, control my bowels or use my brain, death will be a kindness.

and as long as i can walk, control my bowels and use my brain, i will be staying at home living my life of "personal responsibility"

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Reply #905 - Jun 28^th, 2024 at 6:18pm

You know, things might not seem half as bad if we only had politicians with some compassion, honesty and integrity these days.

All it would take is the Prime Minister to make a national announcement on TV to, first of all, offer condolences to the familes of all those who have died and are still dying from Covid and secondly, to apologise to the nation for the (deliberate) mistake they made in letting Covid rip (and the lie of telling everyone the elderly and vulnerable would be protected).

But there's a snowball's chance in hell of that ever happening... all we get now is deliberate silence and hiding of Covid information which was no doubt agreed upon at one of their Secret Squirrel National Cabinet meetings after they let Covid rip and they saw the (predictable) results.

And I'm also absolutely certain they had legal advice to take a 'vow of silence' regarding Covid.

Would be nice if someone who looks after these National Cabinet meeting minutes would "accidentally" release them... or perhaps Julian Assange could help out now that he's free and back in Australia? Anonymously, of course.

Speaking of NSW earlier... this is the sort of thing that seems to be more important (to them) than Covid hospitalisations and deaths:

https://x.com/NSWHealth/status/1806129752559997176

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The NSW Chief Health Officer has issued a warning for the community not to consume Uncle Frog's Mushroom Gummies after several people presented to hospital experiencing unexpected toxicity.

https://x.com/NSWHealth/status/1806129754669776916

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Since April 2024, at least five people have been treated in NSW hospitals after ingesting the gummies, named.
• Uncle Frog's Mushroom Gummies – Cordyceps
• Uncle Frog's Mushroom Gummies – Lion's Mane.

There have also been hospitalisations interstate.

And, while I'm not trying to say this isn't serious I'm sure it isn't anywhere near as serious as (if Victoria is any indication) 50 or more NSW Covid deaths every week. And all of the hospitalisations (a LOT more than the 5 hospitalisations since April for Uncle Frog's Mushroom Gummies, I'm sure).

You really couldn't make this stuff up.

Oh, and... "Uncle Frog's Mushroom Gummies" Grin

(sorry, but that's probably the funniest and most stupid name I've ever seen).

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Reply #906 - Jun 29^th, 2024 at 10:21am

Wow... New South Wales really is a flu and Covid disaster area at the moment. But, I suspect so is most of the rest of Australia.

NSW records almost 40 per cent increase in influenza cases over a week, with emergency departments seeing a rise in admissions

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In short: More than 12,000 cases of influenza have been reported in NSW over the past week.
Authorities said there has been a "significant" impact on emergency departments.
What's next? People are being urged to get vaccinated and treat their symptoms at home.

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New South Wales emergency departments are "getting slammed" by influenza this winter, with an almost 40 per cent increase in the number of infections over the past week.

A respiratory surveillance report released on Thursday by NSW Health revealed 12,421 cases of influenza had been reported in the week ending June 22.

It was a 38 per cent increase on the previous week.

"Influenza is having an enormous impact on our emergency departments at the moment," Health Minister Ryan Park said.

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There have been 4,850 reported cases of COVID-19 in New South Wales in the week to June 22, 2024.

"Please check your vaccination status against COVID, particularly the elderly are still recommended to have boosters regularly," Chief Health Officer Dr Kerry Chant said.

"In the case of influenza, we would like to see those numbers of vaccinations much higher than they are."

The health minister urged people to stay at home if they feel unwell and to contact a general practitioner or the Healthdirect telehealth service if their symptoms are not life-threatening.

"Please only use our emergency departments if you need them," Mr Park said.

"The impact on our EDs at the moment is quite significant.

No mention of masks, of course.

https://x.com/plumskyjam/status/1806435133987377353

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So how about Park does something to fix it rather than just stand idly by as though he is powerless to prevent our healthcare systems being slammed and the personal impact for people throughout the community? It’s really a pathetic response

Yes it is - "We've tried doing nothing so far and we're all out of ideas".

And, while getting vaccinated is important it should never be the first line of defence against these respiratory viruses - especially Covid. "Prevention is better than cure".

I (and many others I'm sure) still think back to most of 2020 and 2021 when Australia was almost 100% flu and Covid free... gee, what were we doing then that was different to now, I wonder? (That's sarcasm, by the way).

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Reply #907 - Jun 29^th, 2024 at 10:40am

yeah

its sad

by making people get a covid vaccine (which was pretty useless and didnt work)

the community have got the idea that all vaccines are crap.

no

it was just the lucrative, poorly researched , over hyped , covid vaccines

people should get a flu vac and make sure their tetanus and shingles vac are up to date

as to covid vaccines

write off the billions spent, put them in landfill and congratulate pfizer who now get to make a killing selling anti virals Grin

we call this "a grift" Embarrassed

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Reply #908 - Jun 29^th, 2024 at 11:38am

I still wonder from time to time if any of our pollies have 'pangs of conscience' about the rampant respiratory viruses in Australia right now and the death and illness they're causing?

Surely they must know what NEEDS to be done - mandatory masks in hospitals, all healthcare settings and aged care, on all public transport and ESPECIALLY on planes and in airports.

But, because they've successfully made almost the entire Australian population believe these life saving measures are restrictions instead of protections they don't have the courage to try and mandate masks anymore let alone recommend them.

Plus they don't want to upset their big business mates because masks = less shopping and spending, so they believe (because everyone sees them as restrictions and they're a very visible reminder that we're still in a pandemic).

And we also have a population where a large number of people simply will not comply (or wear their baggy blue surgicals under the nose or chin) even if masks were mandated.

That's one of the prices we now have to pay for the "freedom" that Australians like to brag about... but, it's a little too much "freedom" (i.e. people will do whatever they like with no thought or concern for others) in my opinion.

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Reply #909 - Jun 29^th, 2024 at 6:17pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 29^th, 2024 at 11:38am:

I still wonder from time to time if any of our pollies have 'pangs of conscience' about the rampant respiratory viruses in Australia right now and the death and illness they're causing?

Surely they must know what NEEDS to be done - mandatory masks in hospitals, all healthcare settings and aged care, on all public transport and ESPECIALLY on planes and in airports.

But, because they've successfully made almost the entire Australian population believe these life saving measures are restrictions instead of protections they don't have the courage to try and mandate masks anymore let alone recommend them.

Plus they don't want to upset their big business mates because masks = less shopping and spending, so they believe (because everyone sees them as restrictions and they're a very visible reminder that we're still in a pandemic).

And we also have a population where a large number of people simply will not comply (or wear their baggy blue surgicals under the nose or chin) even if masks were mandated.

That's one of the prices we now have to pay for the "freedom" that Australians like to brag about... but, it's a little too much "freedom" (i.e. people will do whatever they like with no thought or concern for others) in my opinion.

But they're saving 99.9 times more people then are dying. Should we give them credit for that? Or should we give our immune system credit for both??

As I've asked before, what exactly would you want all Australians to do if you were in charge?

Would you have Australians wear masks and keep 2 meters apart indefinitely?
Would you threaten Australian workers with jab or jobs?
Would you close down all non-essential businesses?
Would you threaten pensioners with jab or pension?
Would you mandate that all newborns must have Cov-19 vaccinations?
Would you have Australians keep taking vaccines against their will, indefinitely?
Would you use taxpayer money to build Covid-19 interment/collection facilities?
Would you have Australians carry Covid-19 ID as proof that they're not infected?
Would you isolate Australia from the rest of the world indefinitely?
Would you mandate curfews in hot spots?
Would you close down beaches, museums, sports centers, and parks indefinitely?
Would impose more stringent fines and jailtime for those who don't comply?
Would you use tax money to hire more thugs to enforce your mandates?
Would you want every Australian to wear a self-contained Hazmat suit at all times?

So, instead of mindlessly parroting stats of those who have died WITH/FROM Covid-19, maybe you might have some ideas on how we can prevent this.

You're right that people will do what they want to. Until they have a reason NOT TO! Do you have a reason why they shouldn't?

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Reply #911 - Jun 29^th, 2024 at 9:06pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 29^th, 2024 at 6:38pm:

Going around and around in circles here.

Again.

I believe I've said what I want and need to say in this thread.

Numerous times.

Time to move on to something more productive (and less time wasting).

So, you're NOT going tell me what you think the government SHOULD be doing to fight this deadly plague?

Also, why are you NOT blaming the doctors, nurses, and the entire Healthcare System for all these Covid-19 deaths? Do you think that it is politician who are providing the treatment for this disease?

No policy, mandate, or vaccine can stop any virus from entering your mouth, nose, or eyes. But we certainly can treat the disease and its symptoms.

And, at a 99.9% recovery rate, for over 4 years, I think our healthcare industry is doing a great job!

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Reply #912 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 11:47am

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Vic COVID update:
"The number of people in hospital with COVID-19 has decreased this week. The 7-day average is 254 compared to 311 last week"
Good news-peak passed (for now)
Bad news-wastewater reporting dumped
Why? Seriously? Let's just fly completely blind with a novel virus

I do believe Kate here sums it up nicely:

https://x.com/KateFra72146006/status/1806959568947404963

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There is no other plausible explanation as to why all data on Covid is being pulled from public records, the Gov needs the economy to keep growing and our health is the cost.

They took the risk & lost, now the economy will die along with us.
Really bad move.

Yep. Agreed 100%

That's it for me with this thread. Good luck Australia, you're going to need it.

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Reply #913 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 12:10pm

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 29^th, 2024 at 9:06pm:

Carl D wrote on Jun 29^th, 2024 at 6:38pm:

Going around and around in circles here.

Again.

I believe I've said what I want and need to say in this thread.

Numerous times.

Time to move on to something more productive (and less time wasting).

So, you're NOT going tell me what you think the government SHOULD be doing to fight this deadly plague?

Also, why are you NOT blaming the doctors, nurses, and the entire Healthcare System for all these Covid-19 deaths? Do you think that it is politician who are providing the treatment for this disease?

No policy, mandate, or vaccine can stop any virus from entering your mouth, nose, or eyes. But we certainly can treat the disease and its symptoms.

And, at a 99.9% recovery rate, for over 4 years, I think our healthcare industry is doing a great job!

Social distancing, masks, and vaccines work (to some extent).

This has been proven.

Go back to "Four People Maximum" in hospital lifts, and everyone should be wearing masks in all health care provider buildings.

There's a good start, and it's easy to implement.

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Reply #914 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 1:30pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 11:47am:

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Vic COVID update:
"The number of people in hospital with COVID-19 has decreased this week. The 7-day average is 254 compared to 311 last week"
Good news-peak passed (for now)
Bad news-wastewater reporting dumped
Why? Seriously? Let's just fly completely blind with a novel virus

I do believe Kate here sums it up nicely:

https://x.com/KateFra72146006/status/1806959568947404963

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There is no other plausible explanation as to why all data on Covid is being pulled from public records, the Gov needs the economy to keep growing and our health is the cost.

They took the risk & lost, now the economy will die along with us.
Really bad move.

Yep. Agreed 100%

That's it for me with this thread. Good luck Australia, you're going to need it.

you agree 100 % with THAT. (that the economy and the people are going to die because of a mild respiratory virus ?)

FFS Roll Eyes

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