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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #915 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 2:03pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 1:30pm:

you agree 100 % with THAT. (that the economy and the people are going to die because of a mild respiratory virus ?)

FFS Roll Eyes

"Sick people can't work"
"Dead people don't shop"

Thus endeth the (economic) lesson for today.

A lesson that our pollies and big business are too stupid to understand or they're deliberately ignoring.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #916 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 2:22pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 2:03pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 1:30pm:

you agree 100 % with THAT. (that the economy and the people are going to die because of a mild respiratory virus ?)

FFS Roll Eyes

"Sick people can't work"
"Dead people don't shop"

Thus endeth the (economic) lesson for today.

A lesson that our pollies and big business are too stupid to understand or they're deliberately ignoring.

the average age of someone dying WITH covid is 82.

are nursing home patients flooding the shopping malls and doing lots of discretionary spending Roll Eyes

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #917 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 2:31pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 12:10pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 29^th, 2024 at 9:06pm:

Carl D wrote on Jun 29^th, 2024 at 6:38pm:

Going around and around in circles here.

Again.

I believe I've said what I want and need to say in this thread.

Numerous times.

Time to move on to something more productive (and less time wasting).

So, you're NOT going tell me what you think the government SHOULD be doing to fight this deadly plague?

Also, why are you NOT blaming the doctors, nurses, and the entire Healthcare System for all these Covid-19 deaths? Do you think that it is politician who are providing the treatment for this disease?

No policy, mandate, or vaccine can stop any virus from entering your mouth, nose, or eyes. But we certainly can treat the disease and its symptoms.

And, at a 99.9% recovery rate, for over 4 years, I think our healthcare industry is doing a great job!

Social distancing, masks, and vaccines work (to some extent).

This has been proven.

Go back to "Four People Maximum" in hospital lifts, and everyone should be wearing masks in all health care provider buildings.

There's a good start, and it's easy to implement.

And, so does putting your hands over your mouth and noses when you cough or sneeze, will ALSO provide some protection TO SOME EXTENT!

The fact that more and more people were still being infected, despite masks, distancing, and vaccinations, also proves that these measures don't work. Do you think that we can stop the common cold? How about the flu? So why would you think we can stop this virus?

If people want to follow these mandates to feel safe, then that is their right. But no one should be forced/coerced/threatened to comply. If masks, distancing, and vaccines will protect you from this virus, then it should also protect you from those infected.
Right?

Also,, were all these measures meant to be indefinite?

Is this the kind of culture you want your kids to grow-up in? A culture where masks, distancing, and multiple yearly vaccinations, is the new norm? A culture where government can directly intrude into the private lives of Australians? A culture where its people must carry, and present medical ID cards to live a normal life? NO THANKS!! I'll gladly take my chances with this flu-like virus!!

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136337 Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #918 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 2:54pm ShellShilo wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 2:31pm: The fact that more and more people were still being infected, despite masks, distancing, and vaccinations, also proves that these measures don't work. No, it doesn't prove that at all. You're not using sound reasoning.
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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #919 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 3:29pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 2:03pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 1:30pm:

you agree 100 % with THAT. (that the economy and the people are going to die because of a mild respiratory virus ?)

FFS Roll Eyes

"Sick people can't work"
"Dead people don't shop"

Thus endeth the (economic) lesson for today.

A lesson that our pollies and big business are too stupid to understand or they're deliberately ignoring.

Actually, what I should have added was:

A lesson that our pollies and big business are too stupid to understand or they're deliberately ignoring in pursuit of short term profits and short term "economic growth".

And, with the ongoing rate of Covid (and flu, RSV, etc.) sickness and deaths plus increasing numbers of people with Long Covid it will definitely be short term.

Even shorter if/when "bird" flu mutates into a direct human to human transmission variant - and I'm pretty sure that's not too far away now if it hasn't happened already.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #920 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 5:00pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 3:29pm:

Carl D wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 2:03pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 1:30pm:

you agree 100 % with THAT. (that the economy and the people are going to die because of a mild respiratory virus ?)

FFS Roll Eyes

"Sick people can't work"
"Dead people don't shop"

Thus endeth the (economic) lesson for today.

A lesson that our pollies and big business are too stupid to understand or they're deliberately ignoring.

Actually, what I should have added was:

A lesson that our pollies and big business are too stupid to understand or they're deliberately ignoring in pursuit of short term profits and short term "economic growth".

And, with the ongoing rate of Covid (and flu, RSV, etc.) sickness and deaths plus increasing numbers of people with Long Covid it will definitely be short term.

Even shorter if/when "bird" flu mutates into a direct human to human transmission variant - and I'm pretty sure that's not too far away now if it hasn't happened already.

carl

you are out of your mind

my wife works in hospitals and the obesity epidemic and the diabetes epidemic have governments panicking

they cant build hospitals fast enough to keep up with the results of this "lack of personal responsibility"

on my wifes ward currently are four 150 kg plus blobs who cant walk and are awaiting nursing home placement

often there for months waiting for a spot and cant go home because they cant walk (due to their lack of personal responsibility).

covid occupies no beds and if it did , the covid component is over in 2 days and then the next month of back breaking work for the nurses (who are all quitting by the way) is dealing with these elephants who cant toilet or shower themselves. (and idiots like you want them to do this in a suffocating mask)

in terms of affecting the economy covid is a nothing and obesity is a catastrophe

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34272 Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #921 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 5:03pm In 2018, obesity cost the Australian community $11.8 billion and if nothing is done, may cost an estimated $87.7 billion by 2032. National Obesity Strategy 2022–2032 – At a glance Australian Government Department of Health https://www.health.gov.au › documents › 2022/03
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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #922 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 5:04pm

Approximately 1.4 million Australians live with diabetes, and there are another 500,000 estimated current cases existing but undiagnosed. The cost of diabetes in Australia is estimated to be a staggering $14.6 billion.

Australian Diabetes Educators Association - Treasury.gov.au

Treasury.gov.au
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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #923 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 5:06pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 9:14am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 8:59am:

Carl D wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 8:50am:

Good morning Bobby.

You wouldn't be trying to 'bury' my posts by any chance would you?

Seems to be happening quite a bit lately.

I'll be quite happy to keep reposting mine if I consider it necessary.

I hath explained unto thee many times that only
the first wave of Covid was the bio weapon from Wuhan.
It quickly mutated to less powerful versions.
Almost all the people who died from Covid were very old, fragile people in nursing homes
who would probably have died from any common cold anyway.
Such people can even fall out of bed, land on soft carpet and die.

Sadly, Bobby... thou hath been deceived by the likes of Sir Nail, aquascoot and (more recently) ShellShilo.

And here's the link to my earlier post which I consider to be important, even if it will be ignored by the majority.

I'll repost it in full if I consider it necessary as the day (and the thread) progresses.

Dear Carl,
many blessings.

But don't you remember my earlier posts?

When the first bio weapon virus hit the Italian hospitals in 2020 it was an apocalyptic disaster.
100s of healthy doctors and nurses died even though they had N95 masks and double layer bio suit protection.
I thought it was the End Times -
I thought that 50% or more of the world's population would die
so I can understand the panic that happened.
Later on we found that Fauci had transferred gene splicing technology and money to Wuhan
which was all they needed to make a bio weapon and Wuhan was
involved in a covert operation for the Chinese military to make bio weapons.
94 pages here on that:
https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1580611988/0#0

However the virus kept mutating to much less deadly versions as per above.
It became no more powerful than the common cold -
one type is a Rhinovirus as is Covid.

What's the bet that 99% of all those who were supposed to be saved by the vaccines
have died by now anyway from either the common cold, the flu or some other reason?
Most who died were in nursing homes with end of life care.
It was all a panic over nothing.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #924 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 6:52pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 2:54pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

The fact that more and more people were still being infected, despite masks, distancing, and vaccinations, also proves that these measures don't work.

No, it doesn't prove that at all.

You're not using sound reasoning.

There is nothing wrong with my reasoning. Or, is it flawed and unsound only because it differs from yours?

Do you think that the infection rate and mortality rates could be a good indicator of how well the government's Covid-19 policies are working?

What other objective indicator/factors would YOU use, to demonstrate that these policies are working or not?

I thought my deductive reasoning was obvious. If all of the government's policies were working, how would it manifest itself in society? What exactly does a continued increase in the number of infection cases, and the number of Covid-19 deaths indicate?

Especially, during the government's containment phase(vaccination, boosters, masks, containment camps, distancing, curfews, border closures, sports/recreation center closures, non-essential business closures, and bans on group gatherings)?

Or, is it because you believe that the government is always right? Or, have the right to do whatever it wants to its people? For any reason it can create?

Being forced to comply with the government's mandated polices, was the biggest and most obvious red flag. Why didn't people see it? Australians are NOT sheep!

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Reply #925 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 7:01pm

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 6:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 2:54pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

The fact that more and more people were still being infected, despite masks, distancing, and vaccinations, also proves that these measures don't work.

No, it doesn't prove that at all.

You're not using sound reasoning.

There is nothing wrong with my reasoning.

Your claim is not based in any objective reasoning or logic.

One day, hopefully, you'll see where you're going wrong.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #926 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 7:59pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 7:01pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 6:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 2:54pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

The fact that more and more people were still being infected, despite masks, distancing, and vaccinations, also proves that these measures don't work.

No, it doesn't prove that at all.

You're not using sound reasoning.

There is nothing wrong with my reasoning.

Your claim is not based in any objective reasoning or logic.

One day, hopefully, you'll see where you're going wrong.

Still trying to gaslight people with empty bluffs.

Since when are the numbers of Covid-19 cases and deaths, NOT OBJECTIVE FACTS?

So tell me, what objective reasoning or logic can you posit, that proves that the government programs have worked?? Good luck with that, genus!

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Reply #927 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 8:23pm

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 7:59pm:

Since when are the numbers of Covid-19 cases and deaths, NOT OBJECTIVE FACTS?

Nobody said they weren't.

An increase in the number of COVID cases and deaths is proof that COVID cases and deaths are increasing.

It is not, however, proof that "masks, distancing, and vaccinations ... don't work".

I'm not sure why you don't understand this.

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Reply #928 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 9:00pm

I'm guessing it might be time to ask our two resident death and disease apologists how many Australian Covid deaths a year are acceptable so people can work, shop and take holidays maskless?

10,000?
15,000?
More?

While I'm here... this is a perfect example of why we're in the Covid mess we're in right now.

From page 4 of today's Sunday Times newspaper.

How much mis/dis/lack of information can you spot in this one short article? From the Premier and the WA government no less.

I've spotted 5 so far. I'll post them later.

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Reply #929 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 10:56pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 8:23pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 7:59pm:

Since when are the numbers of Covid-19 cases and deaths, NOT OBJECTIVE FACTS?

Nobody said they weren't.

An increase in the number of COVID cases and deaths is proof that COVID cases and deaths are increasing.

It is not, however, proof that "masks, distancing, and vaccinations ... don't work".

I'm not sure why you don't understand this.

What I don't understand, is why you can't understand exactly what you're saying?

If you're saying that the numbers of cases and deaths ARE OBJECTIVE FACTS, then why can't I use them to gauge the effectiveness of the government's policies, mandates and restrictions? Especially since they relate DIRECTLY to this virus.

I thought that the purpose of all these mandates, restrictions and policies, and vaccinations, was to CURB THE SPREAD of this virus. Or, to prevent people from becoming infected. Right?

Wouldn't it be logical and reasonable, to measure the effectiveness of these policies/programs, on an increase/decrease of Covid-19 cases and deaths within the population? Doesn't this seem reasonable/logical to you?? It does to me.

Although the idea that man can physically prevent anyone in society from being infected by a virus, is ludicrous and silly! Another huge red flag.

So, where was my logic flawed? And, what objective evidence can YOU posit, that will show that these mandates, policies, and restrictions DO work? Whether I can prove/disprove anything(which I have) is irrelevant. Your position is simply NOT right by default! So where is your evidence??

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