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Reply #105 - May 30th, 2024 at 9:31pm  
thegreatdivide wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 11:58am:
Well, I agree the call to separate sovereignty and segregation is wrong-headed, but graps is all over the shop on the matter, with his posited "2- (or 3)- state solution"; and he thinks welfare dependency is a grand state desired by blacks....






Never said that last - said they need to get into the 21st Century, just like the Arabs etc, and stop all the petty warring with anyone outside their small and limited group.  Every Arab etc village views any 'outsider' as a threat to be extinguished... same with our Abos, which is why they are on the road they are - to nowhere.  On the other hand it is not hard to see the allure - they siren call - of dole money, royalties, and other stuff for nothing as created by the inner city types who scarcely even know one, but who hold positions from which they launch decrees like some Gauleiter in Nazi Germany.

Positing the two and three state solution, alongside various other solutions, is offering options... and the Third State is for politicians to be isolated on and enjoy their own policies in action so they can see how these things work on the ground.  Let's say immigration - let them go to their limited resource island and then we flood it with people from different cultures.

Gondwanamo Bay is for the evil dissidents and terrorists and similar.... it takes real work to become a Gondwanamero ... yet there are plenty of applicants by their own actions...
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Reply #106 - Jun 1st, 2024 at 12:52pm  
Gnads wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 6:55pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 12:26pm:
Gnads wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 12:02pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
Frank wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 7:13pm:
So... to what extent are YOU responsible for your life and to what extent are YOU a mere puppet of consumer economics?


Difficult to say, since I didn't choose my parents.

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And if you are avoiding consumer economics, how do YOU do it other than by taking personal responsibility for your own life?


Your error there: just because my family background taught me to take personal responsibility and avoid the junk-consumer economy doesn't mean everyone has that background and hence choice. ("Give me the child and I will give you the man"....). 

In fact the junk consumer economy depends on people not making informed choices.

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And if you can do it, why can't anyone else? What is special about you??


Answered above: I didn't choose my parents.

Then there's the complicating matter of genes; Trump's brother drank himself to death because of an addiction to grog. Did he "choose" the addiction? You won't be able to answer that question definitively. 


What have your parents got to do with "you" the supposed adult person and how you operate in the world?

No one chooses their parents Roll Eyes


They influenced how I think and act.


And do you follow that influence?


Yes, whether by following, or reacting against said influence, your actions are influenced by your parents.
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Reply #107 - Jun 1st, 2024 at 1:16pm  
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 9:31pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 11:58am:
Well, I agree the call to separate sovereignty and segregation is wrong-headed, but graps is all over the shop on the matter, with his posited "2- (or 3)- state solution"; and he thinks welfare dependency is a grand state desired by blacks....


Never said that last -
 

You often extolled the "dream life" of fishing on the dole - supposedly lived by some blacks. 

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said they need to get into the 21st Century, just like the Arabs etc, and stop all the petty warring with anyone outside their small and limited group.  Every Arab etc village views any 'outsider' as a threat to be extinguished... same with our Abos,
 

You are confusing "Arab" fundamentalists  who want a global  caliphate in the modern world, with blacks who want to preseve an anachronistic culture which is incompatible with the modern world.

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  On the other hand it is not hard to see the allure - they siren call - of dole money, royalties, and other stuff for nothing as created by the inner city types who scarcely even know one, but who hold positions from which they launch decrees like some Gauleiter in Nazi Germany.


ie, the "siren call"  of the poverty industry which you support

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Positing the two and three state solution, alongside various other solutions, is offering options...


Israel - Palestine, ie, 2 states,  is not an "option", it's international law which the UN failed to deliver.  Whereas 'dual soverignty' in Oz (as per the Uluru statement) is a confusion of sovereignty.

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and the Third State is for politicians to be isolated on and enjoy their own policies in action so they can see how these things work on the ground.  Let's say immigration - let them go to their limited resource island and then we flood it with people from different cultures.
   

Hookaaay - I'll pass on your spiel re politicians wrong-headed policies, including their failure to close the gap.   

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Gondwanamo Bay is for the evil dissidents and terrorists and similar.... it takes real work to become a Gondwanamero ... yet there are plenty of applicants by their own actions...


Yes, individuals - apart from extremist ideologues -  are led astray, crushed and turned into criminals by the system. 

Sad.
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Reply #108 - Jun 1st, 2024 at 2:51pm  
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 1st, 2024 at 1:16pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 9:31pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 11:58am:
Well, I agree the call to separate sovereignty and segregation is wrong-headed, but graps is all over the shop on the matter, with his posited "2- (or 3)- state solution"; and he thinks welfare dependency is a grand state desired by blacks....


Never said that last -
 

You often extolled the "dream life" of fishing on the dole - supposedly lived by some blacks. 

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said they need to get into the 21st Century, just like the Arabs etc, and stop all the petty warring with anyone outside their small and limited group.  Every Arab etc village views any 'outsider' as a threat to be extinguished... same with our Abos,
 

You are confusing "Arab" fundamentalists  who want a global  caliphate in the modern world, with blacks who want to preseve an anachronistic culture which is incompatible with the modern world.

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  On the other hand it is not hard to see the allure - they siren call - of dole money, royalties, and other stuff for nothing as created by the inner city types who scarcely even know one, but who hold positions from which they launch decrees like some Gauleiter in Nazi Germany.


ie, the "siren call"  of the poverty industry which you support

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Positing the two and three state solution, alongside various other solutions, is offering options...


Israel - Palestine, ie, 2 states,  is not an "option", it's international law which the UN failed to deliver.  Whereas 'dual soverignty' in Oz (as per the Uluru statement) is a confusion of sovereignty.

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and the Third State is for politicians to be isolated on and enjoy their own policies in action so they can see how these things work on the ground.  Let's say immigration - let them go to their limited resource island and then we flood it with people from different cultures.
   

Hookaaay - I'll pass on your spiel re politicians wrong-headed policies, including their failure to close the gap.   

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Gondwanamo Bay is for the evil dissidents and terrorists and similar.... it takes real work to become a Gondwanamero ... yet there are plenty of applicants by their own actions...


Yes, individuals - apart from extremist ideologues -  are led astray, crushed and turned into criminals by the system. 

Sad.


Nonsense as usual..... you reckon getting all the mod cons for free while living on the coast and not having to go to work etc is not a dream lifestyle?  Put your head on straight - I use that to show you about comparative prosperity - and you totally ignore the poor Abo kid in the big city who couch surfs etc.

You're just plain slow, is all.
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Reply #109 - Jun 1st, 2024 at 2:53pm  
There's a 'poverty industry' in free dole money, royalty money, and excessive handouts amounting to the billions?

Man - that's the kind of poverty industry all who live in poverty would love to get ...

You need to get out more.

I say give 'em their own state - just not one where they get to sit on every street corner and just stop things and make trouble whenever they feel like it - let them do that among themselves as they demand.

I'm not going to explain simple realities to you over and over - they cannot swim in the sea of white prosperity and such while causing trouble for it at every tune and whining about it and demanding change and special treatment all the time - people have a right to just get on with their lives - so they can go to their own state as Mansell demands.... just not by coursing through the veins of Australia like cancer cells.
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Reply #110 - Jun 1st, 2024 at 3:01pm  
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 1st, 2024 at 2:51pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 1st, 2024 at 1:16pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 9:31pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 11:58am:
Well, I agree the call to separate sovereignty and segregation is wrong-headed, but graps is all over the shop on the matter, with his posited "2- (or 3)- state solution"; and he thinks welfare dependency is a grand state desired by blacks....


Never said that last -
 

You often extolled the "dream life" of fishing on the dole - supposedly lived by some blacks. 

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said they need to get into the 21st Century, just like the Arabs etc, and stop all the petty warring with anyone outside their small and limited group.  Every Arab etc village views any 'outsider' as a threat to be extinguished... same with our Abos,
 

You are confusing "Arab" fundamentalists  who want a global  caliphate in the modern world, with blacks who want to preseve an anachronistic culture which is incompatible with the modern world.

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  On the other hand it is not hard to see the allure - they siren call - of dole money, royalties, and other stuff for nothing as created by the inner city types who scarcely even know one, but who hold positions from which they launch decrees like some Gauleiter in Nazi Germany.


ie, the "siren call"  of the poverty industry which you support

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Positing the two and three state solution, alongside various other solutions, is offering options...


Israel - Palestine, ie, 2 states,  is not an "option", it's international law which the UN failed to deliver.  Whereas 'dual soverignty' in Oz (as per the Uluru statement) is a confusion of sovereignty.

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and the Third State is for politicians to be isolated on and enjoy their own policies in action so they can see how these things work on the ground.  Let's say immigration - let them go to their limited resource island and then we flood it with people from different cultures.
   

Hookaaay - I'll pass on your spiel re politicians wrong-headed policies, including their failure to close the gap.   

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Gondwanamo Bay is for the evil dissidents and terrorists and similar.... it takes real work to become a Gondwanamero ... yet there are plenty of applicants by their own actions...


Yes, individuals - apart from extremist ideologues -  are led astray, crushed and turned into criminals by the system. 

Sad.


Nonsense as usual..... you reckon getting all the mod cons for free while living on the coast and not having to go to work etc is not a dream lifestyle? 


Reality check, you can't buy all the "mod cons" while subsisting on the dole.  Ask the welfare-dependent  people in Ceduna and the Alice.

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Put your head on straight - I use that to show you about comparative prosperity - and you totally ignore the poor Abo kid in the big city who couch surfs etc.

You're just plain slow, is all.


Reality check: couch surfing isn't a dream lifestyle either.
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Reply #111 - Jun 2nd, 2024 at 1:46pm  
Of course not!  When you live beachfront the Gu'mint gives you an air conditioned tornado proof house nowadays and provides you with all the goodies to go fishing while paying you the dole and not even reducing it when you cop royalties for everything, or even expect you to participate in WftD..

Now you are getting there - that Poor Boy in the big city can't buy no mod cons or even get a house... he couch surfs while waiting for the knife fight that might end him ... or his next all expenses paid visit to prison ....

Comparative Prosperity, innit?
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Reply #112 - Jun 3rd, 2024 at 11:36am  
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 2nd, 2024 at 1:46pm:
Of course not!  When you live beachfront the Gu'mint gives you an air conditioned tornado proof house nowadays and provides you with all the goodies to go fishing while paying you the dole and not even reducing it when you cop royalties for everything, or even expect you to participate in WftD..


Nonsense of course, many are living 14 to a house, social dysfunction is rife, the gap is a national disgrace....and not everyonre lives beachfront, whether welfare dependent or not.   

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Now you are getting there - that Poor Boy in the big city can't buy no mod cons or even get a house... he couch surfs while waiting for the knife fight that might end him ... or his next all expenses paid visit to prison ....

Comparative Prosperity, innit?


Regardless of "comparisons" of welfare-dependent poverty among particular groups, what is your solution?
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Reply #113 - Jun 3rd, 2024 at 1:40pm  
Aboriginal disaster - still trying to wade through a very long list to sort out exactly which one is under discussion here....
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Reply #114 - Jun 3rd, 2024 at 1:48pm  
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 11:36am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 2nd, 2024 at 1:46pm:
Of course not!  When you live beachfront the Gu'mint gives you an air conditioned tornado proof house nowadays and provides you with all the goodies to go fishing while paying you the dole and not even reducing it when you cop royalties for everything, or even expect you to participate in WftD..


Nonsense of course, many are living 14 to a house, social dysfunction is rife, the gap is a national disgrace....and not everyonre lives beachfront, whether welfare dependent or not.   

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Now you are getting there - that Poor Boy in the big city can't buy no mod cons or even get a house... he couch surfs while waiting for the knife fight that might end him ... or his next all expenses paid visit to prison ....

Comparative Prosperity, innit?


Regardless of "comparisons" of welfare-dependent poverty among particular groups, what is your solution?


Well - WHY are they living fourteen to a house?  Apart from their choice of 'extended family', you understand....  who creates their 'social dysfunction' that is much more widespread and tenacious in REMOTE communities than anywhere else .... nobody ever said they ALL live beachfront, sandy beaches, rum money every fortnight etc, house provided and no supervision - stop pouring bleach in your eyes, what part of 'compared to the Poor Boy in the city' says precisely that not all live 'beachfront' do you choose to FAIL to see... welfare dependent? 

You can move to find a job.... many prefer not to ... many prefer that lifestyle with money coming in regularly and then whining that is is never enough and more, more... most adhere to the PERSONAL AUTONOMY of choosing to spend their money the way they choose to.... you know .... when are YOU headed out there to preach to them the majesty of removing their personal autonomy/sovereignty and subordinating themselves to the State entirely in order to receive their handout of a 'universal wage' that will only serve to create inflation until any benefit is gone anyway?

How many do you reckon you'll get on board with your theories?   
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Reply #115 - Jun 3rd, 2024 at 1:48pm  
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 1:40pm:
Aboriginal disaster - still trying to wade through a very long list to sort out exactly which one is under discussion here....


Busy, busy, busy. A hate spreader's work is never done.
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Reply #117 - Jun 3rd, 2024 at 2:43pm  
GTTF doesn't understand, doesn't need to understand, doesn't want to understand.

Plagiarist GTTF receives the hate posts from his masters and retransmits them as his work.

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Reply #118 - Jun 3rd, 2024 at 3:12pm  
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 1:48pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 11:36am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 2nd, 2024 at 1:46pm:
Of course not!  When you live beachfront the Gu'mint gives you an air conditioned tornado proof house nowadays and provides you with all the goodies to go fishing while paying you the dole and not even reducing it when you cop royalties for everything, or even expect you to participate in WftD..


Nonsense of course, many are living 14 to a house, social dysfunction is rife, the gap is a national disgrace....and not everyonre lives beachfront, whether welfare dependent or not.   

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Now you are getting there - that Poor Boy in the big city can't buy no mod cons or even get a house... he couch surfs while waiting for the knife fight that might end him ... or his next all expenses paid visit to prison ....

Comparative Prosperity, innit?


Regardless of "comparisons" of welfare-dependent poverty among particular groups, what is your solution?


Well - WHY are they living fourteen to a house?  Apart from their choice of 'extended family', you understand....  who creates their 'social dysfunction' that is much more widespread and tenacious in REMOTE communities than anywhere else .... nobody ever said they ALL live beachfront, sandy beaches, rum money every fortnight etc, house provided and no supervision - stop pouring bleach in your eyes, what part of 'compared to the Poor Boy in the city' says precisely that not all live 'beachfront' do you choose to FAIL to see... welfare dependent? 

You can move to find a job.... many prefer not to ... many prefer that lifestyle with money coming in regularly and then whining that is is never enough and more, more... most adhere to the PERSONAL AUTONOMY of choosing to spend their money the way they choose to.... you know .... when are YOU headed out there to preach to them the majesty of removing their personal autonomy/sovereignty and subordinating themselves to the State entirely in order to receive their handout of a 'universal wage' that will only serve to create inflation until any benefit is gone anyway?

How many do you reckon you'll get on board with your theories?   
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Reply #119 - Jun 4th, 2024 at 10:26am  
First Nations women and children are disproportionately impacted by family and domestic violence. They are 34 times more likely to be hospitalised due to violence than non-Indigenous women and six times more likely to die as a result of family violence.7 Nov 2023

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