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Re: This Aboriginal Disaster
Reply #135 - Jun 7^th, 2024 at 8:53am

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 8:31am:

Boris wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 8:25am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 8:14am:

Boris wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 7:32am:

mothra wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 3:20am:

The levels of sheer ignorance on this forum continue to unsettle me.

The prejudice arising from it continues to disgust me.

As of 30 June 2021, there were 984,000 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, representing 3.8% of the total Australian population.

Many sources report over-representation of Indigenous offenders at all stages of the criminal justice system. As of September 2019, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander prisoners represented 28% of the total adult prisoner population, while accounting for 3.3% of the general population.

Despite making up just 3.8 percent of the general population, Indigenous people account for nearly a third (31.8 percent) of the prisoners in Australia.

3 Apr 2024 — Latest figures indicate that the Aboriginal imprisonment rate in NSW is nearly 10 times the non-Aboriginal imprisonment rate

We understand you get a little chub every time you quote the stats, but if you don't want to support any policy or legislation that can help improve the stats, then what's the point?

Most men are problem solvers by nature. Most women just want to be heard. It's been tested time and time again, and until I was in my 40's I never understood this.

Now when my wife or daughters come to me with a problem, I ask them, do you want help solving this, or do you just want to talk about it?

It's made a world of difference.

So, do you want to solve this problem, or do you want to just gossip about it, you big girl?

The problem cannot be solved.

Just as Commo wankers want to destroy the world - people like you - the reality is they will never change.

Aborigines will never change and will always be violent and dangerous and lawless - just like Communists like you will always be mindless idiots who worship Stalin and Mao.

Settle...

So you don't want to solve the problem, you don't think the problem can be solved, you just want to attack Indigenous Australians at every chance?

At least we cleared the air, thanks.

It is what it is - a problem that can never be solved - the same as Communists like you

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Re: This Aboriginal Disaster
Reply #136 - Jun 7^th, 2024 at 8:54am

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 8:46am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 8:14am:

Boris wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 7:32am:

mothra wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 3:20am:

The levels of sheer ignorance on this forum continue to unsettle me.

The prejudice arising from it continues to disgust me.

As of 30 June 2021, there were 984,000 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, representing 3.8% of the total Australian population.

Many sources report over-representation of Indigenous offenders at all stages of the criminal justice system. As of September 2019, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander prisoners represented 28% of the total adult prisoner population, while accounting for 3.3% of the general population.

Despite making up just 3.8 percent of the general population, Indigenous people account for nearly a third (31.8 percent) of the prisoners in Australia.

3 Apr 2024 — Latest figures indicate that the Aboriginal imprisonment rate in NSW is nearly 10 times the non-Aboriginal imprisonment rate

We understand you get a little chub every time you quote the stats, but if you don't want to support any policy or legislation that can help improve the stats, then what's the point?

Most men are problem solvers by nature. Most women just want to be heard. It's been tested time and time again, and until I was in my 40's I never understood this.

Now when my wife or daughters come to me with a problem, I ask them, do you want help solving this, or do you just want to talk about it?

It's made a world of difference.

So, do you want to solve this problem, or do you want to just gossip about it, you big girl?

It is a problem for Aborigines to solve.

Aboriginal domestic violence is highestvwhere traditional Aboriginal nor mms and values are maintained.

Middle class, westernized, urban Aborigines who do not live by traditional Aboriginal values behave, by definition, like everyone else. That is what acculturation means.

It is the same with every other demographic- the more they cling to traditional values from their source culture, the more they offend against the norms of modern, western, Australian norms, be they from rural Afganistan, Araby, India or Africa.
A mere 50 years ago European peasants from th South held to traditional male 'rights' to belt the women. In Italy delitto d’onore, honour kiling, was still on the statute books until 1981, treating offenders extremely leniently.

Aborigines must abandon the crappiest, cruelest, most backward and primitive aspects of their traditions. Urban Aborigines have largely done so already, it's the remote ones, the ones least touched by th ed civilising effects of colonisation, that behave abominable towards each other.

They have to stop being Aborigines.

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Reply #137 - Jun 7^th, 2024 at 8:58am

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 8:46am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 8:14am:

Boris wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 7:32am:

mothra wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 3:20am:

The levels of sheer ignorance on this forum continue to unsettle me.

The prejudice arising from it continues to disgust me.

As of 30 June 2021, there were 984,000 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, representing 3.8% of the total Australian population.

Many sources report over-representation of Indigenous offenders at all stages of the criminal justice system. As of September 2019, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander prisoners represented 28% of the total adult prisoner population, while accounting for 3.3% of the general population.

Despite making up just 3.8 percent of the general population, Indigenous people account for nearly a third (31.8 percent) of the prisoners in Australia.

3 Apr 2024 — Latest figures indicate that the Aboriginal imprisonment rate in NSW is nearly 10 times the non-Aboriginal imprisonment rate

We understand you get a little chub every time you quote the stats, but if you don't want to support any policy or legislation that can help improve the stats, then what's the point?

Most men are problem solvers by nature. Most women just want to be heard. It's been tested time and time again, and until I was in my 40's I never understood this.

Now when my wife or daughters come to me with a problem, I ask them, do you want help solving this, or do you just want to talk about it?

It's made a world of difference.

So, do you want to solve this problem, or do you want to just gossip about it, you big girl?

It is a problem for Aborigines to solve.

So what can we do to help?

How can we assist them in solving the problem?

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Re: This Aboriginal Disaster
Reply #138 - Jun 7^th, 2024 at 9:45am

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 8:58am:

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 8:46am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 8:14am:

Boris wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 7:32am:

mothra wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 3:20am:

The levels of sheer ignorance on this forum continue to unsettle me.

The prejudice arising from it continues to disgust me.

As of 30 June 2021, there were 984,000 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, representing 3.8% of the total Australian population.

Many sources report over-representation of Indigenous offenders at all stages of the criminal justice system. As of September 2019, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander prisoners represented 28% of the total adult prisoner population, while accounting for 3.3% of the general population.

Despite making up just 3.8 percent of the general population, Indigenous people account for nearly a third (31.8 percent) of the prisoners in Australia.

3 Apr 2024 — Latest figures indicate that the Aboriginal imprisonment rate in NSW is nearly 10 times the non-Aboriginal imprisonment rate

We understand you get a little chub every time you quote the stats, but if you don't want to support any policy or legislation that can help improve the stats, then what's the point?

Most men are problem solvers by nature. Most women just want to be heard. It's been tested time and time again, and until I was in my 40's I never understood this.

Now when my wife or daughters come to me with a problem, I ask them, do you want help solving this, or do you just want to talk about it?

It's made a world of difference.

So, do you want to solve this problem, or do you want to just gossip about it, you big girl?

It is a problem for Aborigines to solve.

Aboriginal domestic violence is highestvwhere traditional Aboriginal nor mms and values are maintained.

Middle class, westernized, urban Aborigines who do not live by traditional Aboriginal values behave, by definition, like everyone else. That is what acculturation means.

It is the same with every other demographic- the more they cling to traditional values from their source culture, the more they offend against the norms of modern, western, Australian norms, be they from rural Afganistan, Araby, India or Africa.
A mere 50 years ago European peasants from th South held to traditional male 'rights' to belt the women. In Italy delitto d’onore, honour kiling, was still on the statute books until 1981, treating offenders extremely leniently.

Aborigines must abandon the crappiest, cruelest, most backward and primitive aspects of their traditions. Urban Aborigines have largely done so already, it's the remote ones, the ones least touched by th ed civilising effects of colonisation, that behave abominable towards each other.

So what can we do to help?

How can we assist them in solving the problem?

What have 'we' done for the acculturated, assimilated Aborigines? We let them assimilate. We gave them the opportunity to shape their own lives. There is not much else anyone can do.

'We' have done everything we can. Now they have to do what they need to do. Self-directing, personal autonomy are important. Staying traditional Aborigines is not an option. Nor can 'We' revert to some Aboriginality, to try to meet them half way. There is no half way. Just as you can't live as if it was 1787 in Cork or Inverness or Calcutta, you can't stay a tribal, traditional Aborigine.

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Reply #139 - Jun 7^th, 2024 at 10:08am

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 9:45am:

What have 'we' done for the acculturated, assimilated Aborigines? We let them assimilate. We gave them the opportunity to shape their own lives. There is not much else anyone can do.

'We' have done everything we can. Now they have to do what they need to do. Self-directing, personal autonomy are important. Staying traditional Aborigines is not an option. Nor can 'We' revert to some Aboriginality, to try to meet them half way. There is no half way. Just as you can't live as if it was 1787 in Cork or Inverness or Calcutta, you can't stay a tribal, traditional Aborigine.

Ok, so why the constant regurgitation of the stats and pointing to all the problems, what are those collective posters trying to achieve if there is nothing more that "we" can do?

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Reply #140 - Jun 7^th, 2024 at 10:18am

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 10:08am:

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 9:45am:

What have 'we' done for the acculturated, assimilated Aborigines? We let them assimilate. We gave them the opportunity to shape their own lives. There is not much else anyone can do.

'We' have done everything we can. Now they have to do what they need to do. Self-directing, personal autonomy are important. Staying traditional Aborigines is not an option. Nor can 'We' revert to some Aboriginality, to try to meet them half way. There is no half way. Just as you can't live as if it was 1787 in Cork or Inverness or Calcutta, you can't stay a tribal, traditional Aborigine.

Ok, so why the constant regurgitation of the stats and pointing to all the problems, what are those collective posters trying to achieve if there is nothing more that "we" can do?

Why? To point out the obvious - Aborigines must change themselves, not always bleat about gimme, gimme and then change nothing.

They are not treating each other abominably because of what YOU do or do not do. You and I do not matter in this, so don't try to muscle in and try to take fake responsibility for something you have zero role in.

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Reply #141 - Jun 7^th, 2024 at 10:23am

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 10:18am:

Why? To point out the obvious - Aborigines must change themselves, not always bleat about gimme, gimme and then change nothing.

They are not treating each other abominably because of what YOU do or do not do. You and I do not matter in this, so don't try to muscle in and try to take fake responsibility for something you have zero role in.

So they must change themselves, it has nothing to do with us, so again, why the constant posting about it?

As you say in the same post, it's not happening because some what YOU or I do or do not do.

So what's the point if we have zero role in it?

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Reply #142 - Jun 7^th, 2024 at 10:50am

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 8:58am:

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 8:46am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 8:14am:

Boris wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 7:32am:

mothra wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 3:20am:

The levels of sheer ignorance on this forum continue to unsettle me.

The prejudice arising from it continues to disgust me.

As of 30 June 2021, there were 984,000 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, representing 3.8% of the total Australian population.

Many sources report over-representation of Indigenous offenders at all stages of the criminal justice system. As of September 2019, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander prisoners represented 28% of the total adult prisoner population, while accounting for 3.3% of the general population.

Despite making up just 3.8 percent of the general population, Indigenous people account for nearly a third (31.8 percent) of the prisoners in Australia.

3 Apr 2024 — Latest figures indicate that the Aboriginal imprisonment rate in NSW is nearly 10 times the non-Aboriginal imprisonment rate

We understand you get a little chub every time you quote the stats, but if you don't want to support any policy or legislation that can help improve the stats, then what's the point?

Most men are problem solvers by nature. Most women just want to be heard. It's been tested time and time again, and until I was in my 40's I never understood this.

Now when my wife or daughters come to me with a problem, I ask them, do you want help solving this, or do you just want to talk about it?

It's made a world of difference.

So, do you want to solve this problem, or do you want to just gossip about it, you big girl?

It is a problem for Aborigines to solve.

So what can we do to help?

How can we assist them in solving the problem?

You're joking right? Roll Eyes

Successive LNP and ALP govts have been bending over backwards for over 50 years trying to solve the problem.

All sorts of ideas, programs and billions of dollars have been thrown at the problem... & they are never enough or good enough and the problem persists.

Why is it that all these academics/professionals/ politicians/experts & activists haven't been able to come up with something workable in that time?

It's time for the excuse making to cease and for the Aboriginal people to step up to the plate and take some responsibility.

The constant line of we were here first and you took everything and now owe us everything aka pay the rent, so we can sit on our collective arses and do nothing to help ourselves also needs to cease.

Time for the largest cargo cult in the world to be weaned off all the money for nothing and the booze for free.(apologies Dire Straits).

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Reply #143 - Jun 7^th, 2024 at 10:52am

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 10:23am:

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 10:18am:

Why? To point out the obvious - Aborigines must change themselves, not always bleat about gimme, gimme and then change nothing.

They are not treating each other abominably because of what YOU do or do not do. You and I do not matter in this, so don't try to muscle in and try to take fake responsibility for something you have zero role in.

So they must change themselves, it has nothing to do with us, so again, why the constant posting about it?

As you say in the same post, it's not happening because some what YOU or I do or do not do.

So what's the point if we have zero role in it?

Because we are paying for it you foolish marsupial

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Reply #144 - Jun 7^th, 2024 at 11:33am

mothra wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 3:20am:

The levels of sheer ignorance on this forum continue to unsettle me.

The prejudice arising from it continues to disgust me.

And you are part of the prejudice and ignorance. Trust me, I have lived around the issue for most of my life. And now my parents have to put up with the consequences of racist government policies that took place since the Hawke government implemented them.

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Reply #145 - Jun 7^th, 2024 at 11:37am

Boris wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 7:32am:

Despite making up just 3.8 percent of the general population, Indigenous people account for nearly a third (31.8 percent) of the prisoners in Australia.

If the courts convicted indigenous people at the same standards of convictions that are meted out to non-indigenous offenders, indigenous people would account for 50% of prisoners.

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12968 Gender:	Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Reply #146 - Jun 7^th, 2024 at 11:53am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 6^th, 2024 at 8:10pm: No it's not. You forgotten how to address posts which you imagine you are refuting? Try this: The difference is that welfare dependency is a one way street to social and economic disaster - and maintaining the gap.
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Reply #147 - Jun 7^th, 2024 at 11:59am

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 8:58am:

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 8:46am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 8:14am:

Boris wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 7:32am:

mothra wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 3:20am:

The levels of sheer ignorance on this forum continue to unsettle me.

The prejudice arising from it continues to disgust me.

As of 30 June 2021, there were 984,000 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, representing 3.8% of the total Australian population.

Many sources report over-representation of Indigenous offenders at all stages of the criminal justice system. As of September 2019, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander prisoners represented 28% of the total adult prisoner population, while accounting for 3.3% of the general population.

Despite making up just 3.8 percent of the general population, Indigenous people account for nearly a third (31.8 percent) of the prisoners in Australia.

3 Apr 2024 — Latest figures indicate that the Aboriginal imprisonment rate in NSW is nearly 10 times the non-Aboriginal imprisonment rate

We understand you get a little chub every time you quote the stats, but if you don't want to support any policy or legislation that can help improve the stats, then what's the point?

Most men are problem solvers by nature. Most women just want to be heard. It's been tested time and time again, and until I was in my 40's I never understood this.

Now when my wife or daughters come to me with a problem, I ask them, do you want help solving this, or do you just want to talk about it?

It's made a world of difference.

So, do you want to solve this problem, or do you want to just gossip about it, you big girl?

It is a problem for Aborigines to solve.

So what can we do to help?

How can we assist them in solving the problem?

Get rid of the poverty industry and its entrenched welfare dependency.

That requires the state to implement a Job Guarantee.

Google it if you want to learn more.

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Reply #148 - Jun 7^th, 2024 at 12:14pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 10:23am:

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 10:18am:

Why? To point out the obvious - Aborigines must change themselves, not always bleat about gimme, gimme and then change nothing.

They are not treating each other abominably because of what YOU do or do not do. You and I do not matter in this, so don't try to muscle in and try to take fake responsibility for something you have zero role in.

So they must change themselves, it has nothing to do with us, so again, why the constant posting about it?

As you say in the same post, it's not happening because some what YOU or I do or do not do.

So what's the point if we have zero role in it?

The point is to refute your endless, inane stance: what can everybody ELSE do for Aborigines.

The point is to highlight, even as it is ignored again and again, the real question: what can Aborigines do to end their abominable treatment of each other? What can Aborigines do? What are Aborigines responsible for?

Scapegoating yourself - what can we do - without ever asking what Aborigines can do, is stupid and offensive. Your labelling it wacist to even ask it is doubly so.

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Reply #149 - Jun 7^th, 2024 at 12:18pm

Boris wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 8:25am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 8:14am:

Boris wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 7:32am:

mothra wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 3:20am:

The levels of sheer ignorance on this forum continue to unsettle me.

The prejudice arising from it continues to disgust me.

As of 30 June 2021, there were 984,000 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, representing 3.8% of the total Australian population.

Many sources report over-representation of Indigenous offenders at all stages of the criminal justice system. As of September 2019, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander prisoners represented 28% of the total adult prisoner population, while accounting for 3.3% of the general population.

Despite making up just 3.8 percent of the general population, Indigenous people account for nearly a third (31.8 percent) of the prisoners in Australia.

3 Apr 2024 — Latest figures indicate that the Aboriginal imprisonment rate in NSW is nearly 10 times the non-Aboriginal imprisonment rate

We understand you get a little chub every time you quote the stats, but if you don't want to support any policy or legislation that can help improve the stats, then what's the point?

Most men are problem solvers by nature. Most women just want to be heard. It's been tested time and time again, and until I was in my 40's I never understood this.

Now when my wife or daughters come to me with a problem, I ask them, do you want help solving this, or do you just want to talk about it?

It's made a world of difference.

So, do you want to solve this problem, or do you want to just gossip about it, you big girl?

The problem cannot be solved.

Not while your dysfuntional neoclassical economic orthodoxy remains in place.

Hint: there is no actual scarcity of essential goods and service today, unlike in Adam Smith's era of largely agricultural subsistence economies before the Industrial Revolution.

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Just as Commo wankers want to destroy the world - people like you - the reality is they will never change.

Er....your dysfunctional obsolete neoclassical orthodoxy is THE proplem today.

"Commo wankers" were inspired by Marx who addressed the injustices of the Industrial Revolution - a revolution in production of goods which rendered Adam Smith's 'invisible hand' of bootmakers and bakers all freely competing with oneanother totally anachronistic.

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Aborigines will never change and will always be violent and dangerous and lawless - just like Communists like you will always be mindless idiots who worship Stalin and Mao.

Wrong on both counts: some blacks are negotiating the modern world succesfully; and "commies" these days don't worship Stalin and Mao.

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