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Reply #180 - Jun 13th, 2024 at 11:50am
 
Frank wrote on Jun 12th, 2024 at 4:31pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 12th, 2024 at 1:57pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 12th, 2024 at 1:33pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 12th, 2024 at 12:24pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 11th, 2024 at 5:21pm:
ALL WELFARE MUST BE STOPPED.

You either work or starve.

That will quickly fix a lot of problems.


Excellent points.

And since democratic governments cannot survive with starvation among citizens, then a Job Guarantee will need to be made law, despite gnads bleating about "circle-jerks". 

https://pavlina-tcherneva.net/the-case-for-a-job-guarantee/

The Case for a Job Guarantee


The Australian understands only about one in four “participants” in the federal work-for-the dole scheme are doing any ­approved work or activities in ­exchange for fortnightly benefits.


A Job Guarantee is NOT  a work for the dole scheme.

Do your homework before you spout nonsense from the Australian.   


Well, it is a guaranteed job until you get another job.


Believe it or not,  you are correct (blow me down...), but why do I suspect you didn't actually research the Job Guarantee literature......

Note: a JG is a variable employment scheme,  designed to complement variable employment in the regular job market, so that a governement  can maintain full employment in all macro-economic circumstances (regardless of the 'business cycle').

Now indeed in some circumstances the jobs are likely to be long term, in the absence of  regular long term private /public sector jobs (eg in small or remote communities.)

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It is also training to be job ready: get up on time, get ready, shower, shave, follow instructions, get life skills etc.


Blow me down, you HAVE done some home-work; all of that, plus an above poverty minimum wage, eradicating the bureaucrat-serving poverty industry (aka "welfare") forever.   
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Reply #181 - Jun 13th, 2024 at 6:07pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 13th, 2024 at 11:50am:
Frank wrote on Jun 12th, 2024 at 4:31pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 12th, 2024 at 1:57pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 12th, 2024 at 1:33pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 12th, 2024 at 12:24pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 11th, 2024 at 5:21pm:
ALL WELFARE MUST BE STOPPED.

You either work or starve.

That will quickly fix a lot of problems.


Excellent points.

And since democratic governments cannot survive with starvation among citizens, then a Job Guarantee will need to be made law, despite gnads bleating about "circle-jerks". 

https://pavlina-tcherneva.net/the-case-for-a-job-guarantee/

The Case for a Job Guarantee


The Australian understands only about one in four “participants” in the federal work-for-the dole scheme are doing any ­approved work or activities in ­exchange for fortnightly benefits.


A Job Guarantee is NOT  a work for the dole scheme.

Do your homework before you spout nonsense from the Australian.   


Well, it is a guaranteed job until you get another job.


Believe it or not,  you are correct (blow me down...), but why do I suspect you didn't actually research the Job Guarantee literature......

Note: a JG is a variable employment scheme,  designed to complement variable employment in the regular job market, so that a governement  can maintain full employment in all macro-economic circumstances (regardless of the 'business cycle').

Now indeed in some circumstances the jobs are likely to be long term, in the absence of  regular long term private /public sector jobs (eg in small or remote communities.)

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It is also training to be job ready: get up on time, get ready, shower, shave, follow instructions, get life skills etc.


Blow me down, you HAVE done some home-work; all of that, plus an above poverty minimum wage, eradicating the bureaucrat-serving poverty industry (aka "welfare") forever.   


Ah - so it still doesn't have to be a Job - but it's simply enough to be a 'job' ... kind of transgender self-identified... trans-job or something...   Shocked  ...

Trainee Job Exerter/Exerciser, Class 1 - remuneration in accordance with P.S. Salaries Tribunal rates..... applications are sought from ATSI people, non-English Speaking Backgrounders, Transvestites Unlimited, and Women as an Oppressed, Child-like Class Needing Perpetual Support.  Please note that there are no educational of physical requirements for this position, and all will be considered on merit or demerit of their application and work history, with  lower capabilities and experience being the primary criteria.  Variable hours of work and actual contribution to a given project do not affect salary in any way.

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Reply #182 - Jun 14th, 2024 at 2:41pm
 
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Reply #183 - Jun 14th, 2024 at 4:00pm
 
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I watched that news segment on ABC news last night. I was wondering if it was an indigenous mother that killed her children. Then the newsreader gave the warning that the following has images of indigenous children that have died. Yep...

But then the news story went on about the children drowning. The argument was that the mother neglected to look after them. I found it quite unusual that the mother would be held responsible for her children's stupid decisions, regardless of how young they were. The argument being that Leanne did not care to watch over her sons for a considerable amount of time.

53 years old? Ms Eatts certainly had her last two children very late in life. And her eldest son died whilst Ms Eatts was in custody for the manslaughter charge.
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Reply #184 - Jun 14th, 2024 at 5:32pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 14th, 2024 at 4:00pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 14th, 2024 at 2:41pm:


I watched that news segment on ABC news last night. I was wondering if it was an indigenous mother that killed her children. Then the newsreader gave the warning that the following has images of indigenous children that have died. Yep...

But then the news story went on about the children drowning. The argument was that the mother neglected to look after them. I found it quite unusual that the mother would be held responsible for her children's stupid decisions, regardless of how young they were. The argument being that Leanne did not care to watch over her sons for a considerable amount of time.

53 years old? Ms Eatts certainly had her last two children very late in life. And her eldest son died whilst Ms Eatts was in custody for the manslaughter charge.


Not a strong breed.  Clearly something wrong there in their nurturing.

Funny case - without all the evidence given a bit hard to work out.
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Reply #185 - Jun 14th, 2024 at 5:50pm
 
Still wondering which Aboriginal Disaster to choose from to start with.... so many disasters ... so little time...

Sacka here can't even see the difference between the NT and Wackerstralia... how is the rump of Australia to get the message across when so many living here don't even know where they live in the country?   Embarrassed

Best tweak that a little - Soeghetto ... maybe South Western Australia Ghetto (Swaghetto or SOWGHETTO)  for the once great Perth Region... now it will be small ghettoes of Whartes surrounded by Blecks, box tickers, and fellow running dogs... all imagining they are on some great Crusade to free the country of Macca's and money and cars and such...  I say give 'em what they want.... Abestine sounds good... some didn't like Aborassic Park - sounded too much like an electronic zoo - so let's give 'em the Two State Solution.
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Reply #186 - Jun 15th, 2024 at 1:00pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 13th, 2024 at 6:07pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 13th, 2024 at 11:50am:
Frank wrote on Jun 12th, 2024 at 4:31pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 12th, 2024 at 1:57pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 12th, 2024 at 1:33pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 12th, 2024 at 12:24pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 11th, 2024 at 5:21pm:
ALL WELFARE MUST BE STOPPED.

You either work or starve.

That will quickly fix a lot of problems.


Excellent points.

And since democratic governments cannot survive with starvation among citizens, then a Job Guarantee will need to be made law, despite gnads bleating about "circle-jerks". 

https://pavlina-tcherneva.net/the-case-for-a-job-guarantee/

The Case for a Job Guarantee


The Australian understands only about one in four “participants” in the federal work-for-the dole scheme are doing any ­approved work or activities in ­exchange for fortnightly benefits.


A Job Guarantee is NOT  a work for the dole scheme.

Do your homework before you spout nonsense from the Australian.   


Well, it is a guaranteed job until you get another job.


Believe it or not,  you are correct (blow me down...), but why do I suspect you didn't actually research the Job Guarantee literature......

Note: a JG is a variable employment scheme,  designed to complement variable employment in the regular job market, so that a governement  can maintain full employment in all macro-economic circumstances (regardless of the 'business cycle').

Now indeed in some circumstances the jobs are likely to be long term, in the absence of  regular long term private /public sector jobs (eg in small or remote communities.)

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It is also training to be job ready: get up on time, get ready, shower, shave, follow instructions, get life skills etc.


Blow me down, you HAVE done some home-work; all of that, plus an above poverty minimum wage, eradicating the bureaucrat-serving poverty industry (aka "welfare") forever.   


Ah - so it still doesn't have to be a Job - but it's simply enough to be a 'job' ... kind of transgender self-identified... trans-job or something...   Shocked  ...


You are dementing - or fraudulent, not good in either case: a Job Guarantee job is defined as useful work which the community wants done, paid at the above-poverty minimum wage, available when the regular job market fails to maintain full employment.   

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Variable hours of work and actual contribution to a given project do not affect salary in any way.


Not a Job Guarantee job.
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Reply #187 - Jun 17th, 2024 at 3:15pm
 
"Job Guarantee job is defined as useful work which the community wants done" ..

Ah - so it's open to suggestion?  Hi - I'm your local Hob Nob Evaluator .... I've come to check on how uppity your extended family are getting... just a few simple questions...

... but..... but...... but...... your idea of society is that the people have no sovereignty over defining what is and what isn't 'useful work' that the community wants done ... it's up to the government to hand down decrees ... Neo-Fascio Feudalism, yes?

Anyway - sounds more to me like a 'get out of work free' card - with a 'community' defining what it wants as work...  Erryl - 'e wanna be a Layabout.. Thairown - he wanna git 'pprenticship in songline building.. 'e got grounding in Whale Rider, you know.... dat doco on dat girl ridin' the whales in da East Islands ... got us a Whale Singer Listener Whisperer woman here like dat....

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Reply #188 - Jun 17th, 2024 at 4:41pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 3:15pm:
"Job Guarantee job is defined as useful work which the community wants done" ..

Ah - so it's open to suggestion?  Hi - I'm your local Hob Nob Evaluator .... I've come to check on how uppity your extended family are getting... just a few simple questions...


Like Frank, you need to do some research on the Job Guarantee: local councils will have a  list of jobs which the local community wants done - outside of the regular job market to maintain full employemt in the community regardless of the business cycle and macroeconomic conditions.

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... but..... but...... but...... your idea of society is that the people have no sovereignty over defining what is and what isn't 'useful work' that the community wants done


Refuted above: the people through their local council will determine what they want done in their local community, when the regular job market fails to employ everyone.

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Anyway - sounds more to me like a 'get out of work free' card - t....


Spoken like true blind 'survival of the fittest' ideologue.

At least Yadda, who started this exchange,  had the guts to  tell the truth:

"ALL WELFARE MUST BE STOPPED; you either work or starve."

...though he didn't think it through; some don't have the capacity/ability to succeed as entrepreneurs in the competitive neoliberal market.   



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Reply #189 - Jun 17th, 2024 at 5:21pm
 
Anyway - to some real work..... jobs require a solid economy - and our economy needs a lot of work....

Now then - it must be a state election year..... the 'courts' are actually beginning to state clearly and unequivocally what the real meaning of 'Native Title' is - clearly they've got the message that you don't just say - "Here - here's a swathe of land - it's now your land under native title' - and leave every door open wide for every ratbag to jump up and down and order cops not to enter 'their land' and so forth, order other people not to cross etc... brandish spears and clubs and knives etc at 'trespassers' ... clearly - even in sunny Queenslund where they do things diff'runtly - mark their words - the Labor government has found the need to make it clear that Native Title means:-

"The non-exclusive title rights mean the Kabi Kabi people have the right to hunt and camp in the area, but not to control access or the use of an area.

Non-Indigenous people still have a right to use the land under the non-exclusive native title, and those who own properties or homes in the areas will not be affected.
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"The native land title rights recognises the Indigenous group's rights to 'access, be present on, move about on and travel over the area'."

"Justice Collier told the court the decision did not confer on the native title holders "possession, occupation, use or enjoyment to the exclusion of all others, including other interests as defined in the judgement and which continue to have effect".

The native title rights and interests are subject to the laws of the state and the Commonwealth as well as the traditional laws and customs observed by the native title holders."


Of course, Common Law over-rides 'traditional laws and customs'.... has to ... you can't have an 'Aboriginal Elder Court' saying that some bloke who stole a car was only borrowing it to get home via 'sharing' etc, or that it was all right to shop-lift because that was just another form of 'hunter gathering'....... and you can't have a local tribal group say they want some guy speared over telling some Tribaler to put out his fire and get off his land and such....

One Law For All - All Laws For One!... Or No Law At All!

Time they woke up and clearly explained all those things instead of their open slather wimp approach of the past - it seems the unrest amongst the majority is starting to creep through in an election year... time to keep the bastards on the run now.... teach the Gauleiters, Reichsleiters and Kommissars where they all get off....   

"Hey you - you've missed your stop.... it was two stops ago at Barking - now you're two stops past Barking... that'll be an extra fifty pounds and a stint in an insane asylum and loss of salary."

About time some of these 'shadow government' overpaid arseholes were brought to heel... the sad part is it takes a lot of blood sweat and tears of far too many, and the fear of a coming election - to get these dick-heads even started on the right track.  There'll be no more open-ended 'judicial activism' or woosy comments or plain bad decisions .... clearly they've heard the thunder....
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Reply #190 - Jun 17th, 2024 at 10:46pm
 
I want to see the government be more frugal about their spending. But I don't want people to starve. You will see crime rates raise considerably with people trying to avoid hunger.
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Reply #191 - Jun 17th, 2024 at 11:07pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 10:46pm:
I want to see the government be more frugal about their spending. But I don't want people to starve. You will see crime rates raise considerably with people trying to avoid hunger.


Unless the fools in the Gaga Strip actually start to work on the economy in a realistic way - things will only get worse.  There is an upper limit to 'social security' and what the nation can bear (unless you're a politician or a fat cat PS where the market is as much as it will bear and then some)... and at some point given the rise and rise of the Rental Reich, many people will be reduced to the poorest living.  At that point a massive 'underworld' will be created - and money will be made in any way.... a kind of reversion to the Roaring Twenties and then The Great Depression...

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I'm afraid, Rocky, that you will be seeing much the same again ..... and then there will be wars and rumours of wars....  and it won't take zombies to bring it about - zombies are nothing more than a parable for the Walking Dead... those 'economically non-viable!'


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Reply #192 - Jun 17th, 2024 at 11:30pm
 
William Foster saw the protester outside the bank. What was noteworthy was that the protester and Bill were both wearing the same kind of clothing. Bill found that he too was deemed "not economically viable" due to the redundancy of his job in building missiles. The Cold War was over, and so too was his job. And whilst he started to notice his surroundings crumbling, he fought back at those that slighted him, and those that tried to kill him.

It is difficult to find a parallel of a character in the movie with that of the subject of ceasing welfare.
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Reply #193 - Jun 17th, 2024 at 11:49pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 11:30pm:
William Foster saw the protester outside the bank. What was noteworthy was that the protester and Bill were both wearing the same kind of clothing. Bill found that he too was deemed "not economically viable" due to the redundancy of his job in building missiles. The Cold War was over, and so too was his job. And whilst he started to notice his surroundings crumbling, he fought back at those that slighted him, and those that tried to kill him.

It is difficult to find a parallel of a character in the movie with that of the subject of ceasing welfare.


When the many are 'not economically viable' they will turn to crime...... an underworld will develop again.... more than it is already given that there are some drawn by the lure of easy money.... easy if you don't end up dead....  I was watching a military secrets thing last night and the discussion was about Islamist development of atomic weapons etc - with the suggestion that enough money would draw someone, a retired US nuke sub guy or some Western European scientist - to get into it for them... you'd be crazy - your reward would not be the promised millions but a hole in the head.

Mossad took out some Western European scientist working for the Islamists....... I'm surprised the Hamas leadership is still in this world with us.... surely Israel isn't waiting for the ISS to arrest them???
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Reply #194 - Jun 18th, 2024 at 1:30pm
 
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Anyway - to some real work..... jobs require a solid economy - and our economy needs a lot of work....


Your first point (re solid economy) is correct, the 2nd ignores the dysfunction built into our neoliberal 'welfare' economy.

Carry on.

It's sad that the Left these days is also deluded by the neoliberal welfare economy which insists governments have to be fiscally "frugal" , when the real issue (for  currency-issuing goverment) is the sustainable mobilization of the nation's resources, not fiscal frugality. 

Hence Labor's primary vote is plummeting and Albo is in trouble; while Sky News is trying to convince us the Coalition will solve the current cost of living crisis - the ultimate bad joke. 

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