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Reply #60 - May 22nd, 2024 at 1:18pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on May 22nd, 2024 at 1:13pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 21st, 2024 at 5:50pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 10th, 2024 at 12:17pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 10th, 2024 at 12:04pm:
Delusion.


Er... the idea is to defend and prove the correctness of your case.

The pity is you are the one who is deluded by a subjective awareness of freedom, a concept explored in FD's 'foundations' thread, but which he has abandoned because of his own delusions.

The "human condition" .....  ouch.


Delusion ....


Funny, seeing this written immediaetly below:

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
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You apparently think "facts " can be established - are "self-evident"  -  merely by repeating the word "delusion" ..

I have bad news for you...


Just accept your position as Dr Goebbels - repeat silliness often enough and it becomes the reality in your own mind... that's the problem with transgenderism.

How's the UN doing with Gaza?  Still trying to blame the victim?
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Reply #61 - May 22nd, 2024 at 2:17pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 22nd, 2024 at 1:18pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 22nd, 2024 at 1:13pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 21st, 2024 at 5:50pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 10th, 2024 at 12:17pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 10th, 2024 at 12:04pm:
Delusion.


Er... the idea is to defend and prove the correctness of your case.

The pity is you are the one who is deluded by a subjective awareness of freedom, a concept explored in FD's 'foundations' thread, but which he has abandoned because of his own delusions.

The "human condition" .....  ouch.


Delusion ....


Funny, seeing this written immediaetly below:

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams


You apparently think "facts " can be established - are "self-evident"  -  merely by repeating the word "delusion" ..

I have bad news for you...


Just accept your position as Dr Goebbels


Goebbels was promoting an ideology, I'm promoting universal well-being and security. Spot the difference?


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- repeat silliness often enough and it becomes the reality in your own mind... that's the problem with transgenderism.


I didn't say anything about transgenderism.

You like  "facts" and "evidence" - as in Adam's remark?

ROTFL. 

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How's the UN doing with Gaza?  Still trying to blame the victim?


Disastrously, but finally getting around to implementing UN res 242, after all the obfuscation and hindering by Israel, backed by the looney conservative  Christian Right in the US. (eg, with  Pompeo calling for Armegeddon and "the rapture", during the  Trump administration, to hasten the 2nd coming of Christ)
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Reply #62 - May 22nd, 2024 at 2:31pm
 
"Goebbels was promoting an ideology, I'm promoting universal well-being and security. Spot the difference?"

YES!  One is an ideology - the other is an ideology disguised as motherhood statements!
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Reply #63 - May 22nd, 2024 at 2:39pm
 
"Of the 81 women killed in domestic violence incidents in the NT since 2000, 76 were from First Nations communities."

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nt-coroner-nearing-the-end-of-domestic-...

I'm guessing she just wouldn't listen, ay?
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Reply #64 - May 22nd, 2024 at 3:29pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 22nd, 2024 at 2:31pm:
"Goebbels was promoting an ideology, I'm promoting universal well-being and security. Spot the difference?"

YES!  One is an ideology - the other is an ideology disguised as motherhood statements!


Neat .....so a motherhood statement - something we all want (in this case, well-being and security) - is a "disguise" for an ideology.

Only a blind self-interest-based  ideologue could come up with that formulation.

btw, re the UN finally implementing UN res 242:

tweet from Bob Carr, former Oz foreign minister with contacts in overseas governments:

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I’m told Norway, Spain & Ireland will make a coordinated announcement announcing a joint move to recognise Palestine on 1967 borders. All will formally recognise on May 28 once internal processes are done. Slovenia will follow on June 13. Belgium and France also in play.

It seems Israel has overplayed its hand....apart from being brought before the ICC....


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Reply #65 - May 22nd, 2024 at 3:45pm
 
Zo - vat iss zis 'ideology' of promoting universal well-being?

When such a motherhood statement is disguising the intention of putting in control a specified small group, you are promoting an ideology of rule by minority, and history tells us clearly where that leads.

It is simply NOT possible to 'promote universal well-being'  for those who do not 'know the ropes' and/or who do not wish to co-operate in their own salvation, and the course of handing total power to a select group to impose this is fraught with danger - that danger being the total loss of sovereignty of individual and community to self-appointed 'elite' group - such as has been occurring in Australia now for decades.

On a worldwide scale - the amazing presumption is that handing over all national sovereignty to a blatantly corrupt and biased body - the UN - will suddenly solve all problems.  Again, history shows us that will never be the case.

Nobody in his/her right mind would consider such foolishness with regard to a body that condemns the victim for being attacked and its citizens brutally murdered.

Note:-  Israel has UNDER-played its hand in pursuit of the ideal of not killing innocent civilians... and thus allowed a delay that enabled 'world opinion' manipulated by liars to turn against the victim of a vile series of crimes.  Should've gone for the kill from the start and now the world media would have forgotten about the whole thing.. no headlines in it...
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Reply #66 - May 22nd, 2024 at 3:45pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 22nd, 2024 at 2:39pm:
"Of the 81 women killed in domestic violence incidents in the NT since 2000, 76 were from First Nations communities."

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nt-coroner-nearing-the-end-of-domestic-...

I'm guessing she just wouldn't listen, ay?


Do try to remain on topic - not ectopic...
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Reply #67 - May 23rd, 2024 at 1:37pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 22nd, 2024 at 3:45pm:
Zo - vat iss zis 'ideology' of promoting universal well-being?


Did you miss it?

The "ideology" of the UNUDHR, presently defenceless in our current vicious 'individual sovereignty'  neanderthal ideology ruling the world.

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When such a motherhood statement is disguising the intention of putting in control a specified small group, you are promoting an ideology of rule by minority, and history tells us clearly where that leads.
 

I admire your brave attempt to bring "logic" to your argument.

But your error in logic there: international law is not rule by (an ideologically-driven) minority, it is rule by.....law.

The issue is the nature of the law, see the articles defined in the UNUDHR.   

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It is simply NOT possible to 'promote universal well-being'  for those who do not 'know the ropes' and/or who do not wish to co-operate in their own salvation,


International law is certainly a work in progress, but don't make the mistake of rejecting it on 'individual sovereignty'  ideological grounds just because previous atempts to ensure the wellbeing of the collective have failed.

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and the course of handing total power to a select group to impose this is fraught with danger - that danger being the total loss of sovereignty of individual and community to self-appointed 'elite' group -


Not if the 'select group' is imbued with the principles of the UNUDHR, rather than to exclusive ideologies held by different groups.

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such as has been occurring in Australia now for decades.


All the result of confusion over matters of 'sovereignty' for different groups, and a battle - driven by self-interest - over public versus private control of the means of production and distribution.

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On a worldwide scale - the amazing presumption is that handing over all national sovereignty to a blatantly corrupt and biased body - the UN - will suddenly solve all problems.  Again, history shows us that will never be the case.
 

Never say never; the problems in the UN are due to confusion over the issues of 'sovereignty'  - which currently renders null and void the effectiveness of international law. 

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Nobody in his/her right mind would consider such foolishness with regard to a body that condemns the victim for being attacked and its citizens brutally murdered.


Now you are just showing your ideological blindness: the UN wanted to create two states living in peace, but only recognised one of them.

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Note:-  Israel has UNDER-played its hand in pursuit of the ideal of not killing innocent civilians...


Now you are showing your contempt for life, and the international law required to protect life,  given murderousness of tribal instincts.

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  and thus allowed a delay that enabled 'world opinion' manipulated by liars to turn against the victim of a vile series of crimes.  Should've gone for the kill from the start and now the world media would have forgotten about the whole thing.. no headlines in it...


Reality check: if the IDF had murdered the entire Gazan population ..."gone for the kill", the world media would NOT have forgotten by now, because the issue of the occupation of the WB would be even more pressing than it is now.   
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Reply #68 - May 23rd, 2024 at 7:22pm
 
Poor old UN - seems nobody wants to be governed and controlled by a majority of rat-infested, gutters overflowing with filth, mud hut, law of the jungle (yes - even your fabled ayatollahs etc), power-hungry, misogynistic, West-hating, chip on the shoulder, semi-educated at best cultural deficient countries .... no surprise.

Now then - which Aboriginal disaster do you want to discuss today?  76 out of 81 by 30.8% of the population of the Terr'Uh'Tree?  We all know that general figure will be evenly spread across Australia once the balls get rolling properly on DV and woman murders - what is amazing is that the NT Coroner actually had the ovaries to truth-tell it as it is.

Break it down by demographic, they said.... nah, nah, said the Black 'truth-tellers', that's 'racism' - clearly they had plenty to hide...
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Reply #69 - May 23rd, 2024 at 7:24pm
 
"international law is not rule " .....

Fixed for ya....  YOU drink it ...........
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Reply #70 - May 24th, 2024 at 7:04pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 23rd, 2024 at 7:22pm:
Poor old UN - seems nobody wants to be governed and controlled by a majority of rat-infested, gutters overflowing with filth, mud hut, law of the jungle (yes - even your fabled ayatollahs etc), power-hungry, misogynistic, West-hating, chip on the shoulder, semi-educated at best cultural deficient countries .... no surprise.


Well, that's correct;  but that's not anything to do with  why have "the poor old UN".

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Now then - which Aboriginal disaster do you want to discuss today?  76 out of 81 by 30.8% of the population of the Terr'Uh'Tree?  We all know that general figure will be evenly spread across Australia once the balls get rolling properly on DV and woman murders - what is amazing is that the NT Coroner actually had the ovaries to truth-tell it as it is.


I want the government to deal with ALL "aboriginal disasters" (as measured by the gap), as far as is possible. 

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Break it down by demographic, they said.... nah, nah, said the Black 'truth-tellers', that's 'racism' - clearly they had plenty to hide...


I agree denial of facts will not assist in closing the gap.
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Reply #71 - May 25th, 2024 at 7:55am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on May 24th, 2024 at 7:04pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 23rd, 2024 at 7:22pm:
Poor old UN - seems nobody wants to be governed and controlled by a majority of rat-infested, gutters overflowing with filth, mud hut, law of the jungle (yes - even your fabled ayatollahs etc), power-hungry, misogynistic, West-hating, chip on the shoulder, semi-educated at best cultural deficient countries .... no surprise.


Well, that's correct;  but that's not anything to do with  why have "the poor old UN".

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Now then - which Aboriginal disaster do you want to discuss today?  76 out of 81 by 30.8% of the population of the Terr'Uh'Tree?  We all know that general figure will be evenly spread across Australia once the balls get rolling properly on DV and woman murders - what is amazing is that the NT Coroner actually had the ovaries to truth-tell it as it is.


I want the government to deal with ALL "aboriginal disasters" (as measured by the gap), as far as is possible. 

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Break it down by demographic, they said.... nah, nah, said the Black 'truth-tellers', that's 'racism' - clearly they had plenty to hide...


I agree denial of facts will not assist in closing the gap.


You do realise you're talking with someone whose preference it is to widen the gap, not close it?
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Reply #72 - May 25th, 2024 at 8:18am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 7:55am:


You do realise you're talking with someone whose preference it is to widen the gap, not close it? [/quote]

White flag accepted, champ.  I'm just going along with Michael Mansell and the idea of a Two State Solution.... it's a bi-partition issue, you know.

I have nothing to do with any gaps or opening or closing them.  You need to stop smoking that stuff.  God you fools grasp for some desperate things to try to make your claims.... what are you?  Twelve years old?

Which reminds me - the NT coroner has stated on the evidence that 76 out of 81 women killed in the Terr'Uh'Tree since 2000 were Aboriginal women.  I take it your silly pushing some clinically insane agenda is more important.... do you even know what your agenda is?
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Reply #73 - May 26th, 2024 at 5:58pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 7:55am:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 24th, 2024 at 7:04pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 23rd, 2024 at 7:22pm:
Poor old UN - seems nobody wants to be governed and controlled by a majority of rat-infested, gutters overflowing with filth, mud hut, law of the jungle (yes - even your fabled ayatollahs etc), power-hungry, misogynistic, West-hating, chip on the shoulder, semi-educated at best cultural deficient countries .... no surprise.


Well, that's correct;  but that's not anything to do with  why have "the poor old UN".

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Now then - which Aboriginal disaster do you want to discuss today?  76 out of 81 by 30.8% of the population of the Terr'Uh'Tree?  We all know that general figure will be evenly spread across Australia once the balls get rolling properly on DV and woman murders - what is amazing is that the NT Coroner actually had the ovaries to truth-tell it as it is.


I want the government to deal with ALL "aboriginal disasters" (as measured by the gap), as far as is possible. 

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Break it down by demographic, they said.... nah, nah, said the Black 'truth-tellers', that's 'racism' - clearly they had plenty to hide...


I agree denial of facts will not assist in closing the gap.


You do realise you're talking with someone whose preference it is to widen the gap, not close it?


Yes, for graps it's all a matter of 'personal responsibility', he denies the reality of entrenched/systemic socio-economic  disadvantage which CAN be eradicated by the state; entrenched poverty is a political choice of the government, not an economic necessity.


But denial, or concealing the consequences of entrenched poverty eg high crime and DV rates, won't assist in closing the gap.
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Reply #74 - May 26th, 2024 at 6:14pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 5:58pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 7:55am:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 24th, 2024 at 7:04pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 23rd, 2024 at 7:22pm:
Poor old UN - seems nobody wants to be governed and controlled by a majority of rat-infested, gutters overflowing with filth, mud hut, law of the jungle (yes - even your fabled ayatollahs etc), power-hungry, misogynistic, West-hating, chip on the shoulder, semi-educated at best cultural deficient countries .... no surprise.


Well, that's correct;  but that's not anything to do with  why have "the poor old UN".

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Now then - which Aboriginal disaster do you want to discuss today?  76 out of 81 by 30.8% of the population of the Terr'Uh'Tree?  We all know that general figure will be evenly spread across Australia once the balls get rolling properly on DV and woman murders - what is amazing is that the NT Coroner actually had the ovaries to truth-tell it as it is.


I want the government to deal with ALL "aboriginal disasters" (as measured by the gap), as far as is possible. 

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Break it down by demographic, they said.... nah, nah, said the Black 'truth-tellers', that's 'racism' - clearly they had plenty to hide...


I agree denial of facts will not assist in closing the gap.


You do realise you're talking with someone whose preference it is to widen the gap, not close it?


Yes, for graps it's all a matter of 'personal responsibility', he denies the reality of entrenched/systemic socio-economic  disadvantage which CAN be eradicated by the state; entrenched poverty is a political choice of the government, not an economic necessity.


But denial, or concealing the consequences of entrenched poverty eg high crime and DV rates, won't assist in closing the gap.


Is there such a thing as personal responsibility in your conception of the way the human world is?

Or is EVERYONE is an automaton, subject to forces completely outside his control - responsibility? Everyone, including you. So what IS controlling you? What IS making you say what you do say? What are the forces you are a helpless puppet to?

(Total ignorance and stupidity. Ed.)
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