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Reply #390 - May 31^st, 2023 at 7:12am

Russian hypocrites -
when Russia does it they are heroes but when Ukraine
replies they are terrorists Huh

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-31/russia-ukraine-war-drones-moscow-warns-se...

Russia warns of harsh response as Vladimir Putin
labels Moscow drone strike a terrorist act by Ukraine

Posted 2h ago
2 hours ago
, updated 1h ago

President Vladimir Putin has said Ukraine's biggest-ever drone strike on Moscow was an attempt to scare and provoke Russia.
Key points:

Vladimir Putin accuses Kyiv of aiming to strike civilian targets in Moscow
The foreign minster says Russia has the right to respond with the "harshest" measures
The US is still gathering information on the drone attacks as Ukraine denies involvement

Russia said eight drones targeted civilian areas of Moscow and the Moscow region — with a population of more than 21 million — in the early hours of Tuesday (local time) but were either shot down or diverted with special electronic jammers.

Mr Putin cast the assault as a terrorist act that came after Russia struck at Ukraine's military intelligence headquarters several days ago.

He said the attack was aimed at "civilian targets" and Ukraine had chosen the path of attempting "to intimidate Russia, Russian citizens and attacks on residential buildings".

"This is clearly a sign of terrorist activity," Mr Putin said.

Air defences around Moscow — which as the capital of the world's biggest nuclear power is already protected by an extensive early warning system — would be strengthened, he said.

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #392 - May 31^st, 2023 at 9:10am

aquascoot wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 6:02am:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:19am:

JC Denton wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 11:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 9:12pm:

Karnal wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

So unfair, Bobby. Ukraine has no right to do THAT. What do those mean old Ukrainians think they're doing blowing up Russian buildings like this? What do they think this is?

A war?

Someone should tell Zalensky to mind his manners, dear. Russia is engaged in a harmless security operation. Vlad's a peacemaker. Genius!

Oh, that's beautiful - Russia gets all that cheap real estate for a lousy $2 worth of sanctions. The big fella's right, as usual.

So unfair!

A war:

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-05-30-23/index....

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Alleged drone attack on Moscow is "a new reality
we will have to recognize," Putin ally says

[url]https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/digital-images/org/5d3b3f4c-0f7a-4e
5d-83e4-6838145c768a.jpeg[/url]

A man is seen through a window of a damaged multi-storey apartment block following a reported drone attack in Moscow, Russia, on May 30. (Maxim Shemetov/Reuters)

From CNN's Clare Sebastian and Radina Gigova in London

A man is seen through a window of a damaged multi-storey apartment block following a reported drone attack in Moscow, Russia, on May 30.

The alleged drone attack on Moscow is "a new reality we will have to recognize," said Alexander Kinshtein, a member of the Russian Parliament from President Vladimir Putin's United Russia party.

"Undoubtedly, sabotage and terrorist attacks by Ukraine will only grow. We need to drastically strengthen defense and security measures, especially in the area of countering drones," he said in a Telegram post Tuesday.

Kinshtein went on to say the fact that eight drones were allegedly shot down "should not comfort anyone."

"Do not underestimate the enemy!" he added.

Russia has blamed Ukraine for the alleged attack on Moscow early Tuesday. Kyiv is yet to comment on the incident.

pretty underwhelming sh1t. this is their revenge attack they were hyping up?

No, this is Vlad telling his Russian audience I told you so on Russia Today.

It's how he convinces the parents of kids coming home in zinc coffins that it's all worth it in the end, you see.

It's straight out of the Putin playbook. Before long, they'll be finding time bombs in Moscow apartment blocks, just like 1999.

And that's okay. You're neutral. It doesn't matter whether Vlad blows up Ukrainians or Russians, it's all good, no?

Convincing parents when their children come home in zinc coffins?

Sounds like LBJ in Vietnam
George Bush senior in Iraq
George Bush Jr and Iraq
Bill Clinton in Somalia
Hillary Clinton in Benghazi
Barack Obama in Afghanistan

Ever get the feeling you're a hypocrite

No, dear. Hillary didn't blow up State Department buildings as false flags.

But correct me if I'm wrong, you're now justifying every future invasion by saying Uncle starting it?

When Iran launches nukes,you're going to say all good, Uncle nuked the Japs?

Is that the noble art of war you're playing?

From here on and henceforth, any rogue state can invade sovereign countries and you point to Hillary commenting favourably on the ousting of Gaddafi?

We note you're stocking up on ammunition. How far do you plan to take this?

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #393 - May 31^st, 2023 at 9:19am

Bobby. wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 7:12am:

Russian hypocrites -
when Russia does it they are heroes but when Ukraine
replies they are terrorists Huh

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-31/russia-ukraine-war-drones-moscow-warns-se...

Russia warns of harsh response as Vladimir Putin
labels Moscow drone strike a terrorist act by Ukraine

Posted 2h ago
2 hours ago
, updated 1h ago

https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=240,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/...

President Vladimir Putin has said Ukraine's biggest-ever drone strike on Moscow was an attempt to scare and provoke Russia.
Key points:

Vladimir Putin accuses Kyiv of aiming to strike civilian targets in Moscow
The foreign minster says Russia has the right to respond with the "harshest" measures
The US is still gathering information on the drone attacks as Ukraine denies involvement

Russia said eight drones targeted civilian areas of Moscow and the Moscow region — with a population of more than 21 million — in the early hours of Tuesday (local time) but were either shot down or diverted with special electronic jammers.

Mr Putin cast the assault as a terrorist act that came after Russia struck at Ukraine's military intelligence headquarters several days ago.

He said the attack was aimed at "civilian targets" and Ukraine had chosen the path of attempting "to intimidate Russia, Russian citizens and attacks on residential buildings".

"This is clearly a sign of terrorist activity," Mr Putin said.

Air defences around Moscow — which as the capital of the world's biggest nuclear power is already protected by an extensive early warning system — would be strengthened, he said.

The Ukrainian government's response, Bobby;

Quote:

A Ukrainian presidential aide denied Kyiv was directly involved in the Moscow attack, but said Ukraine was enjoying watching events and forecast more to come.

"Of course we are pleased to watch and predict an increase in the number of attacks," Mykhailo Podolyak said.

"But of course we have nothing directly to do with this."

It was either pro-Ukrainian Russians or Vlad himself.

Eitger way, be at peace. All is in accordance with the DP.

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #394 - May 31^st, 2023 at 9:32am

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 9:19am:

The Ukrainian government's response, Bobby;

Quote:

A Ukrainian presidential aide denied Kyiv was directly involved in the Moscow attack, but said Ukraine was enjoying watching events and forecast more to come.

"Of course we are pleased to watch and predict an increase in the number of attacks," Mykhailo Podolyak said.

"But of course we have nothing directly to do with this."

It was either pro-Ukrainian Russians or Vlad himself.

Either way, be at peace. All is in accordance with the DP.

“They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.”

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #395 - May 31^st, 2023 at 11:08am

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:19am:

JC Denton wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 11:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 9:12pm:

Karnal wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

So unfair, Bobby. Ukraine has no right to do THAT. What do those mean old Ukrainians think they're doing blowing up Russian buildings like this? What do they think this is?

A war?

Someone should tell Zalensky to mind his manners, dear. Russia is engaged in a harmless security operation. Vlad's a peacemaker. Genius!

Oh, that's beautiful - Russia gets all that cheap real estate for a lousy $2 worth of sanctions. The big fella's right, as usual.

So unfair!

A war:

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-05-30-23/index....

2 hr 21 min ago

Alleged drone attack on Moscow is "a new reality
we will have to recognize," Putin ally says

[url]https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/digital-images/org/5d3b3f4c-0f7a-4e
5d-83e4-6838145c768a.jpeg[/url]

A man is seen through a window of a damaged multi-storey apartment block following a reported drone attack in Moscow, Russia, on May 30. (Maxim Shemetov/Reuters)

From CNN's Clare Sebastian and Radina Gigova in London

A man is seen through a window of a damaged multi-storey apartment block following a reported drone attack in Moscow, Russia, on May 30.

The alleged drone attack on Moscow is "a new reality we will have to recognize," said Alexander Kinshtein, a member of the Russian Parliament from President Vladimir Putin's United Russia party.

"Undoubtedly, sabotage and terrorist attacks by Ukraine will only grow. We need to drastically strengthen defense and security measures, especially in the area of countering drones," he said in a Telegram post Tuesday.

Kinshtein went on to say the fact that eight drones were allegedly shot down "should not comfort anyone."

"Do not underestimate the enemy!" he added.

Russia has blamed Ukraine for the alleged attack on Moscow early Tuesday. Kyiv is yet to comment on the incident.

pretty underwhelming sh1t. this is their revenge attack they were hyping up?

No, this is Vlad telling his Russian audience I told you so on Russia Today.

It's how he convinces the parents of kids coming home in zinc coffins that it's all worth it in the end, you see.

It's straight out of the Putin playbook. Before long, they'll be finding time bombs in Moscow apartment blocks, just like 1999.

And that's okay. You're neutral. It doesn't matter whether Vlad blows up Ukrainians or Russians, it's all good, no?

yeah i'm sure you know it was the russians and not the ukrainians. do you work for the kremlin and have insider information?

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #396 - May 31^st, 2023 at 11:09am

Bobby. wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 9:32am:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 9:19am:

The Ukrainian government's response, Bobby;

Quote:

A Ukrainian presidential aide denied Kyiv was directly involved in the Moscow attack, but said Ukraine was enjoying watching events and forecast more to come.

"Of course we are pleased to watch and predict an increase in the number of attacks," Mykhailo Podolyak said.

"But of course we have nothing directly to do with this."

It was either pro-Ukrainian Russians or Vlad himself.

Either way, be at peace. All is in accordance with the DP.

“They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.”

whirlwind of a drone singing the side of an apartment building a bit

wow

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #397 - May 31^st, 2023 at 11:20am

What's going on in Moscow. First we have a little drone exploding over the Kremlin which could not possibly have flown all the way from Ukraine. And now, a multiple drone attack on a residential area. If we are going to say they are Ukrainian drones, what does that say about Russian air defenses? But again, they don't have the range. Who is launching these things?

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Reply #398 - May 31^st, 2023 at 11:29am

issuevoter wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 11:20am:

What's going on in Moscow. First we have a little drone exploding over the Kremlin which could not possibly have flown all the way from Ukraine. And now, a multiple drone attack on a residential area. If we are going to say they are Ukrainian drones, what does that say about Russian air defenses? But again, they don't have the range. Who is launching these things?

almost like russia is a really big country or something and a tiny little drone attack isnt necessarily something you can 100% stop lmao

stopping drone attacks is actually pretty hard for air defense systems because they're calibrated for fast moving targets like missiles

imagine an unironic WHAT AIR DEFENSE DOING? sh1tpost on here

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Reply #399 - May 31^st, 2023 at 11:30am

issuevoter wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 11:20am:

What's going on in Moscow. First we have a little drone exploding over the Kremlin which could not possibly have flown all the way from Ukraine. And now, a multiple drone attack on a residential area. If we are going to say they are Ukrainian drones, what does that say about Russian air defenses? But again, they don't have the range. Who is launching these things?

Likely anti-Putin Russian militant groups acting independently of Kyiv.

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #401 - May 31^st, 2023 at 12:34pm

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 11:08am:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:19am:

JC Denton wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 11:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 9:12pm:

Karnal wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

So unfair, Bobby. Ukraine has no right to do THAT. What do those mean old Ukrainians think they're doing blowing up Russian buildings like this? What do they think this is?

A war?

Someone should tell Zalensky to mind his manners, dear. Russia is engaged in a harmless security operation. Vlad's a peacemaker. Genius!

Oh, that's beautiful - Russia gets all that cheap real estate for a lousy $2 worth of sanctions. The big fella's right, as usual.

So unfair!

A war:

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-05-30-23/index....

2 hr 21 min ago

Alleged drone attack on Moscow is "a new reality
we will have to recognize," Putin ally says

[url]https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/digital-images/org/5d3b3f4c-0f7a-4e
5d-83e4-6838145c768a.jpeg[/url]

A man is seen through a window of a damaged multi-storey apartment block following a reported drone attack in Moscow, Russia, on May 30. (Maxim Shemetov/Reuters)

From CNN's Clare Sebastian and Radina Gigova in London

A man is seen through a window of a damaged multi-storey apartment block following a reported drone attack in Moscow, Russia, on May 30.

The alleged drone attack on Moscow is "a new reality we will have to recognize," said Alexander Kinshtein, a member of the Russian Parliament from President Vladimir Putin's United Russia party.

"Undoubtedly, sabotage and terrorist attacks by Ukraine will only grow. We need to drastically strengthen defense and security measures, especially in the area of countering drones," he said in a Telegram post Tuesday.

Kinshtein went on to say the fact that eight drones were allegedly shot down "should not comfort anyone."

"Do not underestimate the enemy!" he added.

Russia has blamed Ukraine for the alleged attack on Moscow early Tuesday. Kyiv is yet to comment on the incident.

pretty underwhelming sh1t. this is their revenge attack they were hyping up?

No, this is Vlad telling his Russian audience I told you so on Russia Today.

It's how he convinces the parents of kids coming home in zinc coffins that it's all worth it in the end, you see.

It's straight out of the Putin playbook. Before long, they'll be finding time bombs in Moscow apartment blocks, just like 1999.

And that's okay. You're neutral. It doesn't matter whether Vlad blows up Ukrainians or Russians, it's all good, no?

yeah i'm sure you know it was the russians and not the ukrainians. do you work for the kremlin and have insider information?

You need insider information to see through Russian propaganda?

Good propaganda, comrade.

Zalensky's aide has already denied responsibility, dear. They owned the drone attack on the Russian ship, so I see no reason why they'd feign ignorance over a bit of Moscow property damage.

Of course, the biggest hit on the Kremlin to date wasn't even military. It was Navalny's scoop on Putin's Palace.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putin%27s_Palace_(film)

Have you had a chance to watch it?

Ever get the feeling you've been exposed?

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #403 - May 31^st, 2023 at 12:55pm

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 11:09am:

Bobby. wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 9:32am:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 9:19am:

The Ukrainian government's response, Bobby;

Quote:

A Ukrainian presidential aide denied Kyiv was directly involved in the Moscow attack, but said Ukraine was enjoying watching events and forecast more to come.

"Of course we are pleased to watch and predict an increase in the number of attacks," Mykhailo Podolyak said.

"But of course we have nothing directly to do with this."

It was either pro-Ukrainian Russians or Vlad himself.

Either way, be at peace. All is in accordance with the DP.

“They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.”

whirlwind of a drone singing the side of an apartment building a bit

wow

And before long, that whirlwind will become a roar.

Read your Vlad, dear - Vlad Illich.

Yes, nobody knows the Russian proletariat like good old Lenin.

Just a pity an entire class has been ploughed by a handful of oligarchs, no? Many of them have their mistresses and kids set up in Knightsbridge and Park Avenue, where they've registered their private jets and luxury yachts.

Ever get the feeling you've been plundered?

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Reply #404 - May 31^st, 2023 at 1:06pm

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:49pm:

wow they denied responsibility, they must be telling the truth

Yes, and Vlad claims his palace is owned by his old judo partner Arkady Rotenberg.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55872249

That's a relief. Vlad's modest two-bedroom apartment in Moscow is the only property he's declared on his assets.

So good to have politicians telling the truth. The Russian people must feel so reassured, no?

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