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Reply #420 - May 31^st, 2023 at 6:21pm

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 5:43pm:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 5:00pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 4:10pm:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 1:06pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:49pm:

wow they denied responsibility, they must be telling the truth

Yes, and Vlad claims his palace is owned by his old judo partner Arkady Rotenberg.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55872249

That's a relief. Vlad's modest two-bedroom apartment in Moscow is the only property he's declared on his assets.

So good to have politicians telling the truth. The Russian people must feel so reassured, no?

why would the russians need to bother concocting a false flag incident to justify missile ramping, all they would need to do is point to the actual incursions into belgorod if they wanted to do that

and at this point it's questionable whether they would even need an excuse at all

what a waste of time

Because they're expecting the meat to arrive home soon, dear. After the Spring offensive.

Vlad's going to do everything he can to ramp up the propaganda on this one. Why?

Because he can't do it on the facts alone.

Ask Aquascoot whether Hillary put bombs in her constituents' apartment blocks, JS. Let's see how far he'll push his absurd false equivalencies.

You know, Hillary expressed satisfaction over the Arab Spring and Gaddafi's assasination, so it wouldn't be a stretch to say she's just as bad as Vlad, no?

That could work, ya?

did you ever get the feeling you're just making sh1t up

No, JC, and neither do you.

Unfortunately, everything I post here comes directly out of someone's own mouth. You know that very well. I have never had to make a thing up on this board yet.

I'm not that original, dear.

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Reply #421 - May 31^st, 2023 at 6:26pm

aquascoot wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 5:17pm:

gotta love a lockdown Roll Eyes

After generally hovering near an estimated $100 million throughout the 2010s, the Pelosis’ net worth began shooting up in 2020 and by the end of 2021 had reached more than $171 million, according to the Wall Street Journal.
In 2021 alone, the Pelosis’ estimated net worth increased by $38.9 million, the largest annual increase the couple has enjoyed

Lockdowns? Nancy made a buck from Republican tax cuts, but do you know?

We're not seeing a link here, Aquascoot, as ever.

Don't want to boost hits for the fake news, eh?

Cunning.

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Reply #422 - May 31^st, 2023 at 6:32pm

Bobby. wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 5:36pm:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:55pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 11:09am:

Bobby. wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 9:32am:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 9:19am:

The Ukrainian government's response, Bobby;

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A Ukrainian presidential aide denied Kyiv was directly involved in the Moscow attack, but said Ukraine was enjoying watching events and forecast more to come.

"Of course we are pleased to watch and predict an increase in the number of attacks," Mykhailo Podolyak said.

"But of course we have nothing directly to do with this."

It was either pro-Ukrainian Russians or Vlad himself.

Either way, be at peace. All is in accordance with the DP.

“They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.”

whirlwind of a drone singing the side of an apartment building a bit

wow

And before long, that whirlwind will become a roar.

Read your Vlad, dear - Vlad Illich.

Yes, nobody knows the Russian proletariat like good old Lenin.

Just a pity an entire class has been ploughed by a handful of oligarchs, no? Many of them have their mistresses and kids set up in Knightsbridge and Park Avenue, where they've registered their private jets and luxury yachts.

Ever get the feeling you've been plundered?

Will it turn into a 1,000 bomber raid?

I doubt we'll see too many oligarchs' kids enlisted. To date, they've come mainly from the provinces, where lives don't count.

The day one of Vlad's buddies has to pull his kid out of Oxford or Yale to face a near certain death in Ukraine is the day the Russian federation will truly crumble.

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Reply #423 - Jun 5^th, 2023 at 6:26am

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/06/04/zelensky-admits-fear-of-trump-2024-b...

4 Jun 2023

The Ukrainian President concluded that “50 Patriots” would be enough to protect Ukraine from Russian air attacks “for the most part”, implying that such weapons would be extremely beneficial to any Ukrainian counteroffensive.

At present, Ukraine has at least two Patriot batteries, which include launchers, a powerful radar system, a control station and other equipment. Zelesnky’s request for as many as 50, therefore, would be a massive ask for the Western world, with each individual Patriot platform reportedly costing over one billion dollars.

To make matters worse, according to Raytheon, the American manufacturer of the weapons system, only somewhere in the region of “240 Patriot fire units” have been produced for the entire world, with individual rockets of the latest generation for the platform costing as much as $4.1 million each.

Such a donation would ultimately dwarf the value of what has already been committed by the United States, alone, with the Biden administration having earmarked around $37 billion worth of security assistance to Ukraine, though billions more of American taxpayer dollars have been sent in other forms of aid.

The safety of the equipment is far from guaranteed either if sent to Ukraine, with one of the two batteries already in the country reportedly being successfully hit in a Russian strike, though U.S. security officials have insisted that the damage done was minimal.

Also here:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/patriot-air-defence-systems-deprive-075343327.htm...

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Reply #424 - Jun 5^th, 2023 at 10:12am

So, we have

- anti-Putin Russian militant groups operating inside Russia,
- Polish combat volunteers operating inside Russia,
- Macron conceding that France miscalculated Putin's refusal to agree to a peaceful outcome,
- China looking to end the war,
- and now Germany's Olaf Sholz shouting down anti-war protesters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dLkmkSffFo

Expect Finnish and Baltic volunteer combatants to join their Polish comrades.

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Reply #425 - Jun 5^th, 2023 at 11:00am

ukraine got absolutely trounced today, multiple significant probing actions that completely failed at what appeared to be great expense

https://twitter.com/ArmchairW/status/1665508835753172993

i suspect they are trying to turn these probing actions into a major offensive if they ever saw any initial success with them

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Reply #426 - Jun 5^th, 2023 at 3:45pm

Looks like the offensive has started and Ukraine is still losing:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65806152

Russia's defence ministry says it has thwarted a major Ukrainian offensive in Donetsk,

claiming to have killed 250 troops and destroyed armoured vehicles.

Video of what Russia says is the battle appears to show military vehicles coming under heavy fire in fields.

But there has been no comment from Kyiv and Russia's claim has not been independently verified.

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Reply #427 - Jun 5^th, 2023 at 4:39pm

JC Denton wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 11:00am:

ukraine got absolutely trounced today, multiple significant probing actions that completely failed at what appeared to be great expense

https://twitter.com/ArmchairW/status/1665508835753172993

i suspect they are trying to turn these probing actions into a major offensive if they ever saw any initial success with them

You'll love this one, JC. Ukraine's now playing culture wars to get back at evil Mother Russia.

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Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine appears to have spurred support for Ukraine’s LGBT community and a draft civil union law that would give same-sex partnerships legal status for the first time.

“Anything that our enemy hates … I will support,” said the Ukrainian MP Andrii Kozhemiakin, a wiry, conservative ex-spy who likes to emphasise his Christian faith and large family. “If it will never exist in Russia, it should exist and be supported here, to show them and signal to them that we are different. This law is like a smile towards Europe and a middle finger to Russia. So I support it.”

Inna Sovsun, the MP who drafted the law and is trying to shepherd it through parliament, said Kozhemiakin’s speech was “the most unexpected thing in my political career”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/jun/05/russia-ukraine-war-live-mosco...

Anything our enemy hates I will support, no? Now where have we heard that before (on this site)?

Ee-gad, not only has Vlad turned his trad-val-Russia versus everybody-else schtick into a thing, he's actually made it happen. Ukrainian macho men would rather suck cock than join Vlad's pity party.

How to win friends and influence people, eh? Vlad's turning neural Europeans towards NATO, Soviet satelite states towards the EU, and now he's turning straight men gay.

Ever get the feeling you've been planted?

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #428 - Jun 5^th, 2023 at 5:05pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 3:45pm:

Looks like the offensive has started and Ukraine is still losing:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65806152

https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=240,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/...

Russia's defence ministry says it has thwarted a major Ukrainian offensive in Donetsk,

claiming to have killed 250 troops and destroyed armoured vehicles.

Video of what Russia says is the battle appears to show military vehicles coming under heavy fire in fields.

But there has been no comment from Kyiv and Russia's claim has not been independently verified.

Russia's defence ministry says, eh? Russia's defence ministry says a lot of things, Bobby.

They're going to have a lot more to say soon too, when white Russian meat gets sent home, freshly-butchered.

One thing we know: Vlad can't run things. He can't manage a pandemic, he can't take over a friendly neighbour. He can't even get his goons to put the right dose of Novichok in Navalny's daks.

Vlad is good at propaganda. Riding bareback over the Siberian steppe. Pushing buttons in a fighter jet wearing $10,000 aviator shades. Hiring body doubles to meet ordinary Russians, shake hands and kiss babies.

Vlad manages the image. After 20 years running a country the size of Russia, Vlad still doesn't know how to get things done. He surrounds himself with yes-men to kiss his arse and say ah, and he sure knows how to intimidate. He puts out the appearance of being in control, but he leaves the running of the country to everybody else.

Vlad outsources. Even his most successful army is contracted. Vlad manages the image, and let's things take care of themselves. Russia's defence ministry will have a lot more to say in due course, Bobby, and all of it dictated by Vlad. You and I both know that most of it will be krap.

Whenever Vlad speaks, no matter what he says, know this: the exact opposite is the truth. Day, night, black, white. Follow this formula and you'll know.

It's an old Russian joke told by Navalny. Apparently it sounds much funnier in the original Russian.

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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5470 Gender:	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #430 - Jun 5^th, 2023 at 7:26pm the corruption is over stated on both sides, sure it is happening but acting like at least 90% of all the stuff isnt going to where it needs to go is just wishful thinking
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Reply #431 - Jun 5^th, 2023 at 7:27pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 5:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 3:45pm:

Looks like the offensive has started and Ukraine is still losing:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65806152

https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=240,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/...

Russia's defence ministry says it has thwarted a major Ukrainian offensive in Donetsk,

claiming to have killed 250 troops and destroyed armoured vehicles.

Video of what Russia says is the battle appears to show military vehicles coming under heavy fire in fields.

But there has been no comment from Kyiv and Russia's claim has not been independently verified.

Russia's defence ministry says, eh? Russia's defence ministry says a lot of things, Bobby.

They're going to have a lot more to say soon too, when white Russian meat gets sent home, freshly-butchered.

One thing we know: Vlad can't run things. He can't manage a pandemic, he can't take over a friendly neighbour. He can't even get his goons to put the right dose of Novichok in Navalny's daks.

Vlad is good at propaganda. Riding bareback over the Siberian steppe. Pushing buttons in a fighter jet wearing $10,000 aviator shades. Hiring body doubles to meet ordinary Russians, shake hands and kiss babies.

Vlad manages the image. After 20 years running a country the size of Russia, Vlad still doesn't know how to get things done. He surrounds himself with yes-men to kiss his arse and say ah, and he sure knows how to intimidate. He puts out the appearance of being in control, but he leaves the running of the country to everybody else.

Vlad outsources. Even his most successful army is contracted. Vlad manages the image, and let's things take care of themselves. Russia's defence ministry will have a lot more to say in due course, Bobby, and all of it dictated by Vlad. You and I both know that most of it will be krap.

Whenever Vlad speaks, no matter what he says, know this: the exact opposite is the truth. Day, night, black, white. Follow this formula and you'll know.

It's an old Russian joke told by Navalny. Apparently it sounds much funnier in the original Russian.

Are you saying that Putin can't be trusted?

Could he resort to nukes?

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Reply #432 - Jun 6^th, 2023 at 11:18am

Karnal wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 4:39pm:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 11:00am:

ukraine got absolutely trounced today, multiple significant probing actions that completely failed at what appeared to be great expense

https://twitter.com/ArmchairW/status/1665508835753172993

i suspect they are trying to turn these probing actions into a major offensive if they ever saw any initial success with them

You'll love this one, JC. Ukraine's now playing culture wars to get back at evil Mother Russia.

Quote:

Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine appears to have spurred support for Ukraine’s LGBT community and a draft civil union law that would give same-sex partnerships legal status for the first time.

“Anything that our enemy hates … I will support,” said the Ukrainian MP Andrii Kozhemiakin, a wiry, conservative ex-spy who likes to emphasise his Christian faith and large family. “If it will never exist in Russia, it should exist and be supported here, to show them and signal to them that we are different. This law is like a smile towards Europe and a middle finger to Russia. So I support it.”

Inna Sovsun, the MP who drafted the law and is trying to shepherd it through parliament, said Kozhemiakin’s speech was “the most unexpected thing in my political career”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/jun/05/russia-ukraine-war-live-mosco...

Anything our enemy hates I will support, no? Now where have we heard that before (on this site)?

Ee-gad, not only has Vlad turned his trad-val-Russia versus everybody-else schtick into a thing, he's actually made it happen. Ukrainian macho men would rather suck cock than join Vlad's pity party.

How to win friends and influence people, eh? Vlad's turning neural Europeans towards NATO, Soviet satelite states towards the EU, and now he's turning straight men gay.

Ever get the feeling you've been planted?

the govt would (or at least they know how to play the moral signaling game to their western benefactors), you really think a lot of ukrainian men on the ground love f@ggots lmao

this is reminscent of south africa legalising gay marriage back in the mid 2000s, it showed a huge disconnect between govt elites in the country and the average person there

gay & tranny worship are indispensable inviolable components of western secular religious belief, by doing this the ukrainian government are bending the knee to their wannabe masters

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Reply #433 - Jun 6^th, 2023 at 2:54pm

The Russians got very nasty:

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-06-23/index....

Ukraine's military claims Russian forces
blew up Nova Kakhovka dam in southern Ukraine

A major dam located in a Russian-controlled part of southern Ukraine has been blown up by Russian forces, according to Ukraine’s military.

"The Russian Army has committed another act of terror," said Oleksandr Prokudin, the Ukraine-appointed head of the Kherson region military administration, in a video on Telegram. "It has blown up Kakhovka Hydro Power Plant. The water will reach critical level in five hours. Evacuation in the area of danger has started."

"All services are working," Prokudin added, urging residents along the East Bank of the Dnipro River to "leave dangerous areas immediately."

Drone video emerged late Monday showing a deluge of water gushing from a sizeable breach in the dam.

Ukraine's Operational Command South on Tuesday confirmed the dam's destruction in a post on their official Facebook saying they were assessing the scale of the destruction and calculating likely areas of flooding.

It is impossible to say who is responsible for the damage caused to the dam at this time.

However, the Russian-installed mayor of Nova Kakhovka, Vladimir Leontiev, on Tuesday denied the dam had collapsed in an interview with Russian state-run news agency RIA Novosti, calling it "nonsense."

The torrent of water seen escaping from the dam in the video has the potential to cause major destruction around Kherson city and other populated areas along the Dnipro River, according to analysts who have been fearing this breach could occur in the fighting.

The video posted on social media has been geolocated by CNN.

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