JC Denton wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 11:18am:


These aren't the words of a liberal pro-Westerner, dear, they're the words of a guy fighting a total war with Russia.

I disagree. If you're going to back the hommers, do so with good reason. But this is a member of a government who not only now refuses to speak Russian, but would happily abandon the Cyrillic alphabet if they could.

That's not pro-liberal, that's anti-Fascist. Not that there's anything wrong with that, no?

Rotten scoundrels:

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-65816109






Kherson's regional head Oleksandr Prokudin has accused Russia of committing "yet another act of terror".

In an urgent video message posted on social media, he warns that water levels in the Dnipro river will be "critical" within five hours.

Prokudin says evacuation of those residents living in the threatened areas on the Ukraine-controlled right (western) bank of the Dnipro river has already started.

And he also appeals to the residents on the opposite bank - currently under Russian control - to immediately leave their homes.


What we know so far

Ukraine has accused Russia of blowing up a major dam at a hydro-electric power plant on the Dnipro river in the southern Kherson region of the country.

The dam is in the Russian-occupied town of Nova Kakhovka, where the Moscow-installed mayor has blamed Ukraine for the destruction.

If you're just joining us, here's what we know so far:

    Water is flooding down the Dnipro river and is said to pose a risk of catastrophic flooding to Kherson
    Evacuations are taking place across the region with at least 16,000 people at risk from the floodwaters, a Ukrainian governor has said
    Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has called an emergency meeting of the country's National Security and Defence Council
    The Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant (ZNPP) relies on the water to cool its nuclear reactors. The situation there is currently said to be under control
    The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) says it is monitoring the situation closely

We'll continue bringing you updates here throughout the morning as we get them.

Didn't the UK bomb dams during WW2 using a division of the RAF they called The Dam Busters?

If the UK actions were not a crime, why are Russia's actions a crime?

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 6:28pm:

hope the russians actually did blow the dam, that would have been tactically clever

Dnarever wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 10:23pm:


do you ever think there may have been more in depth reasons for what occured in all of those circumstances

ukraine has taken back effectively nothing since kharkov and kherson, and in the latter circumstance the russians gave them back the city, you are lying

kharkov was a vacated front with a significant numerical advantage, the ukrainians were opportunistically seizing upon the fact that russia did not have enough manpower to adequately defend the entire front

manpower has been a significant constraint on operations for both sides in this conflict, in reality despite being the biggest war in europe since world war 2, it is a fairly small scale conflict in the grand scheme of things, with both sides fighting with armies that in total are smaller than most major eastern front ww2 battles


ukraine wasn't even close to kherson at the time of russia's withdrawal, all their kherson offensive yielded after months and months of flailing and sending reconaissance groups into direct artillery fire was a few podunk villages along the dneiper river

it was not remotely possible for russia to capture the kiev metropolitan region with the number of men it had around the city; at that time, the only hope of seizing an urban conglomoration of 3m with a force of about ~50,000 men was a rapid capitulation ala georgia, which was obviously the plan A the kremlins were hoping for

when it became clear that was no longer possible, those forces were withdeawn and redeployed, sensibly

you seem to believe that armies should fight stupid unwinnable battles to the death, and this is a smart way for wars to be fought

and in retrospect given what has happened with the destruction of the novaya kakhovka dam surovkin's decision to withdraw from kherson was absolutely the correct thing to do, as the destruction of the dam could have easily left all russian soldiers on the left side of the dneiper river stranded, inundated and cut off from supplies

a completely reasonable decision in hindsight

what this war has communicated to me more than anything is modern armies don't have enough infantry with fighting power to effectively conduct operations, and are overly reliant on ranged deep strike weaponry which has little capacity to take and hold positions

See the video"

https://justthenews.com/videos/zelensky-accuses-russian-forces-blowing-hydroelec...

In an address to the Bucharest Nine Summit in Vilnius, Lithuania on Tuesday, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky accused Russia of “internally detonating” explosives inside a large hydro plant in Nova Kakhovka. The Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant was critically damaged shortly before 3 a.m. Tuesday, flooding dozens of cities across the region and forcing hundreds of Ukrainians to evacuate. “This is the largest man-made environmental disaster in Europe in decades. It is the most dangerous terrorist in the world,” said Zelensky in a Facebook post.