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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103090 Melbourne Gender:	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #495 - Jun 7^th, 2023 at 10:46pm Still no statement from the weak Biden.
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Reply #496 - Jun 7^th, 2023 at 10:49pm

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-07-23/index....

Ukrainian troops witnessed Russian soldiers being swept up in floodwaters and fleeing the east bank of the Dnipro River after the collapse of the Nova Khakovka dam, an officer in Ukraine's armed forces said. Many Russian troops were killed or wounded in the chaos, according to the officer.

Capt. Andrei Pidlisnyi said when the dam collapsed in the early hours of Tuesday morning “no one on the Russian side was able to get away. All the regiments the Russians had on that side were flooded.”

Pidlisnyi told CNN he believed the Russians had deliberately attacked the dam to disrupt Ukrainian forces’ plans for an upcoming offensive.

“Around 3 a.m., the enemy blew up the Kakhovka Hydro Power Plant in order to raise the water level to flood the approaches and the left bank of the Dnipro River, as well as the settlements located there. And to make it impossible for the Ukrainian armed forces to advance in the future," he claimed.

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Reply #497 - Jun 7^th, 2023 at 10:52pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 5:20pm:

Jasin wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 5:00pm:

That's why the world needs Flash Gordon.
Little Trump is doing his best, but he is just a little guy afterall.

There is only 14 hours to save the world:

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Unfortunately, Ozpolitic only has "Not-so-Flash Gordon"
who couldn't defeat a quadriplegic, toothless, blind, geriatric, nun behind the Bondi sheds.

We are doomed.

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Please don't thank me. Effusive fawning and obeisance of disciples, mendicants, and foot-kissers embarrass me.

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Reply #498 - Jun 8^th, 2023 at 12:16am

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 10:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 5:20pm:

Jasin wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 5:00pm:

That's why the world needs Flash Gordon.
Little Trump is doing his best, but he is just a little guy afterall.

There is only 14 hours to save the world:

Unfortunately, Ozpolitic only has "Not-so-Flash Gordon"
who couldn't defeat a quadriplegic, toothless, blind, geriatric, nun behind the Bondi sheds.

We are doomed.

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Reply #499 - Jun 8^th, 2023 at 5:11am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 10:49pm:

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-07-23/index....

https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/230607085044-ukraine-dam-planet...

Ukrainian troops witnessed Russian soldiers being swept up in floodwaters and fleeing the east bank of the Dnipro River after the collapse of the Nova Khakovka dam, an officer in Ukraine's armed forces said. Many Russian troops were killed or wounded in the chaos, according to the officer.

Capt. Andrei Pidlisnyi said when the dam collapsed in the early hours of Tuesday morning “no one on the Russian side was able to get away. All the regiments the Russians had on that side were flooded.”

Pidlisnyi told CNN he believed the Russians had deliberately attacked the dam to disrupt Ukrainian forces’ plans for an upcoming offensive.

“Around 3 a.m., the enemy blew up the Kakhovka Hydro Power Plant in order to raise the water level to flood the approaches and the left bank of the Dnipro River, as well as the settlements located there. And to make it impossible for the Ukrainian armed forces to advance in the future," he claimed.

seems a bit odd the russians would flood their own positions?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95293 Gender:	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #500 - Jun 8^th, 2023 at 5:32am Do you think?
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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34360 Gender:	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #501 - Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:08am Do you know? Maybe the tens of thousands of Western journalists who told us about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction are willing to inform the community
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103090 Melbourne Gender:	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #502 - Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:24am Biden still quiet.
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Reply #503 - Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:48am

https://kyivindependent.com/media-australia-considers-sending-f-a-18-fighter-jet...

Australia considers sending 41 F/A-18 fighter jets to Ukraine

by Martin Fornusek June 6, 2023 9:24 PM

Australia may send its 41 retired F/A-18 Hornet fighter jets to Ukraine,
the Australian Financial Review (AFR) wrote on June 6.

Canberra is reportedly discussing this possibility with its American and Ukrainian partners.

The transfer would require permission from the U.S., as it owns intellectual property on the F/A-18s. According to the report, Washington is "favorably disposed to the idea."

The retired Hornets of the Royal Australian Air Force are currently scheduled to be scrapped or sold to a private company, as they are to be replaced by 72 fifth-generation F-35 fighter jets.

Robert Potter, an Australian security expert advising the Ukrainian government, confirmed that negotiations were underway, but a specific deal is yet to be finalized, the AFR wrote.

The bulk of the planes would take little work to be brought up to flying conditions, while others could be cannibalized for scrap parts.

The U.S. has already joined a coalition to provide Ukraine with American-made aircraft, the F-16s.

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky said earlier on June 6 that Kyiv's military is expected to receive a "significant number" of F-16 jets.

more detail here:
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/retired-raaf-fighter-jets-could-be-sent-to-...

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Reply #504 - Jun 8^th, 2023 at 8:24am

Australia may send its 41 retired F/A-18 Hornet fighter jets to Ukraine?

I'm not sure about the wisdom of that -
we could need those F/A-18s.
Russia and Ukraine are using 60 year old tanks as
most of the good stuff has been destroyed.
They have even taken tanks out of museums to send to the front lines.

We could find ourselves in a similar position if we're ever at war.
Ukraine and Russia are willing to use any old equipment now
and that's a warning to all countries about the destruction of old equipment.
We also bulldozed our F-111 fighter bombers into the ground outside Ipswich -
when they were retired even though they had capabilities that we don't have now -
including long range bombing missions with pin point accuracy
using laser guided bombs.

A lot of the breakdown of old parts is due to oxygen in the air
causing corrosion of metal and rubber to perish.
It's easy enough to store planes in air tight sheds and fill them with nitrogen gas -
a cheap and easy way to preserve them.

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34360 Gender:	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #505 - Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:01am Lockheed Martin A large American military company Get to dump their obsolete planes on the Ukraine And then get some new juicy contracts paid for by the Australian taxpayer And who is going to fly these planes Are they going to retrain some uber drivers from Kiev in the next fortnite
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Reply #506 - Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:10am

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:01am:

Lockheed Martin

A large American military company

Get to dump their obsolete planes on the Ukraine

And then get some new juicy contracts paid for by the Australian taxpayer

And who is going to fly these planes
Are they going to retrain some uber drivers from Kiev in the next fortnite Grin

We could send our pilots too -
then there would be no training time for Ukrainian pilots.

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Reply #508 - Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:36am

JC Denton wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:33am:

i dont think you realise how inconsequential jet fighters would be for ukraine

The Russians are using modified bombs -
they turn them into glide bombs that can glide 10 km and hit Ukrainian targets.
Jet fighters could shoot the Russian planes down and save many lives.

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Reply #509 - Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:43am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:36am:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:33am:

i dont think you realise how inconsequential jet fighters would be for ukraine

The Russians are using modified bombs -
they turn them into glide bombs that can glide 10 km and hit Ukrainian targets.
Jet fighters could shoot the Russian planes down and save many lives.

neither side is able to use airpower very much because of the proliferation of effective soviet aa systems

russia has even more AA than ukraine, more advanced systems and deep strike capacities on airfields

western jets tend to be less robust also and require more ideal landing/take off conditions (otherwise they require inordinate maintenance to keep in the air)

the obsession with sending jet fighters to ukraine is perverse and is almost underpinned by some technophilic oooo jet planes oooo cool kind of logic

it will make barely any difference to anything whatsoever, and the timeframes for training and procurement etc are enormous

oh and i saw the source you were citing (kyiv independent) so this is probably f*king bullsh1t anyway

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