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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #511 - Jun 8^th, 2023 at 2:34pm

JC Denton wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:43am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:36am:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:33am:

i dont think you realise how inconsequential jet fighters would be for ukraine

The Russians are using modified bombs -
they turn them into glide bombs that can glide 10 km and hit Ukrainian targets.
Jet fighters could shoot the Russian planes down and save many lives.

neither side is able to use airpower very much because of the proliferation of effective soviet aa systems

russia has even more AA than ukraine, more advanced systems and deep strike capacities on airfields

western jets tend to be less robust also and require more ideal landing/take off conditions (otherwise they require inordinate maintenance to keep in the air)

the obsession with sending jet fighters to ukraine is perverse and is almost underpinned by some technophilic oooo jet planes oooo cool kind of logic

it will make barely any difference to anything whatsoever, and the timeframes for training and procurement etc are enormous

oh and i saw the source you were citing (kyiv independent) so this is probably f*king bullsh1t anyway

I also quoted the AFR

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/retired-raaf-fighter-jets-could-be-sent-to-...

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Reply #512 - Jun 8^th, 2023 at 2:35pm

https://kyivindependent.com/media-australia-considers-sending-f-a-18-fighter-jet...

Australia considers sending 41 F/A-18 fighter jets to Ukraine

by Martin Fornusek June 6, 2023 9:24 PM

Australia may send its 41 retired F/A-18 Hornet fighter jets to Ukraine,
the Australian Financial Review (AFR) wrote on June 6.

Canberra is reportedly discussing this possibility with its American and Ukrainian partners.

The transfer would require permission from the U.S., as it owns intellectual property on the F/A-18s. According to the report, Washington is "favorably disposed to the idea."

The retired Hornets of the Royal Australian Air Force are currently scheduled to be scrapped or sold to a private company, as they are to be replaced by 72 fifth-generation F-35 fighter jets.

Robert Potter, an Australian security expert advising the Ukrainian government, confirmed that negotiations were underway, but a specific deal is yet to be finalized, the AFR wrote.

The bulk of the planes would take little work to be brought up to flying conditions, while others could be cannibalized for scrap parts.

The U.S. has already joined a coalition to provide Ukraine with American-made aircraft, the F-16s.

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky said earlier on June 6 that Kyiv's military is expected to receive a "significant number" of F-16 jets.

more detail here:
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/retired-raaf-fighter-jets-could-be-sent-to-...

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Reply #513 - Jun 8^th, 2023 at 4:45pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:08am:

Do you know?

Maybe the tens of thousands of Western journalists who told us about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction are willing to inform the community

We don't need them, dear. We have tens of thousands of Ukrainian apartments bombed. We have tens of thousands of Ukrainian children snatched. We have hundreds of thousands of ordinary Ukrainian civilians having their lives disrupted due to - who?

Oh, that's right, you.

Ever get the feeling you've been farmed?

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Reply #514 - Jun 8^th, 2023 at 4:46pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 2:35pm:

https://kyivindependent.com/media-australia-considers-sending-f-a-18-fighter-jet...

Australia considers sending 41 F/A-18 fighter jets to Ukraine

by Martin Fornusek June 6, 2023 9:24 PM

https://kyivindependent.com/content/images/2023/06/hornet.jpg

Australia may send its 41 retired F/A-18 Hornet fighter jets to Ukraine,
the Australian Financial Review (AFR) wrote on June 6.

Canberra is reportedly discussing this possibility with its American and Ukrainian partners.

The transfer would require permission from the U.S., as it owns intellectual property on the F/A-18s. According to the report, Washington is "favorably disposed to the idea."

The retired Hornets of the Royal Australian Air Force are currently scheduled to be scrapped or sold to a private company, as they are to be replaced by 72 fifth-generation F-35 fighter jets.

Robert Potter, an Australian security expert advising the Ukrainian government, confirmed that negotiations were underway, but a specific deal is yet to be finalized, the AFR wrote.

The bulk of the planes would take little work to be brought up to flying conditions, while others could be cannibalized for scrap parts.

The U.S. has already joined a coalition to provide Ukraine with American-made aircraft, the F-16s.

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky said earlier on June 6 that Kyiv's military is expected to receive a "significant number" of F-16 jets.

more detail here:
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/retired-raaf-fighter-jets-could-be-sent-to-...

Aussie Aussie Aussie.

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Reply #515 - Jun 8^th, 2023 at 11:57pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:08am:

Do you know?

Maybe the tens of thousands of Western journalists who told us about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction are willing to inform the community

The journalist reported what the politicians were telling them ? The politicians were telling lies and not just a few.

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Reply #516 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 12:21am

Dnarever wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 11:57pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:08am:

Do you know?

Maybe the tens of thousands of Western journalists who told us about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction are willing to inform the community

The journalist reported what the politicians were telling them ? The politicians were telling lies and not just a few.

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Reply #517 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:33am

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 12:21am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 11:57pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:08am:

Do you know?

Maybe the tens of thousands of Western journalists who told us about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction are willing to inform the community

The journalist reported what the politicians were telling them ? The politicians were telling lies and not just a few.

Strange. You were pretty keen to go into Ee-raq, JC. Listened to the media, eh?

Tsk tsk tsk.

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Reply #518 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:45am

Karnal wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:33am:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 12:21am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 11:57pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:08am:

Do you know?

Maybe the tens of thousands of Western journalists who told us about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction are willing to inform the community

The journalist reported what the politicians were telling them ? The politicians were telling lies and not just a few.

Strange. You were pretty keen to go into Ee-raq, JC. Listened to the media, eh?

Tsk tsk tsk.

bruh i was like 11 yrs old and had no opinion

i was too busy playing pokemon

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Reply #519 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:04am

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:45am:

Karnal wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:33am:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 12:21am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 11:57pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:08am:

Do you know?

Maybe the tens of thousands of Western journalists who told us about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction are willing to inform the community

The journalist reported what the politicians were telling them ? The politicians were telling lies and not just a few.

Strange. You were pretty keen to go into Ee-raq, JC. Listened to the media, eh?

Tsk tsk tsk.

bruh i was like 11 yrs old and had no opinion

i was too busy playing pokemon

No no, we all remember your support for the invasion of Iraq, JC. You wanted to go into Iran too, no?

If you've become a peacenik since, we'll forgive you. Make love not war, eh?

Oh - you support Putin.

Sorry, dear, you don't have the peacenik option. You're free to be a Russian patriot if that helps.

I know, I know, you're Australian. But there are worse things than converting to Russian orthodoxy, no?

You could, for example, become a Muslim.

FD would never leave you alone then, eh?

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Reply #520 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:29am

not a bad point.

have to hand it to the taliban.

they kicked russian and american ass .

it pays to be ruthless.
ben roberts would get the VC if he fought for the taliban (maybe they hand out gold AK's)

he is strong competant, brave and ruthless.
what the winning side like in a warrior.

here is OZ a bunch of politicians , media and judiciary with yellow streaks down the back of his back give him a criminal record.

its why the west wont be winning any more wars .

they have lost the warrior essence

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Reply #521 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:35am

aquascoot wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:29am:

not a bad point.

have to hand it to the taliban.

they kicked russian and american ass .

it pays to be ruthless.
ben roberts would get the VC if he fought for the taliban (maybe they hand out gold AK's)

he is strong competant, brave and ruthless.
what the winning side like in a warrior.

here is OZ a bunch of politicians , media and judiciary with yellow streaks down the back of his back give him a criminal record.

its why the west wont be winning any more wars .

they have lost the warrior essence

Ben?
He was no warrior - he is a cruel animal.
He murders innocent people in cold blood.

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Reply #522 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 11:42am

Karnal wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:04am:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:45am:

Karnal wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:33am:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 12:21am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 11:57pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:08am:

Do you know?

Maybe the tens of thousands of Western journalists who told us about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction are willing to inform the community

The journalist reported what the politicians were telling them ? The politicians were telling lies and not just a few.

Strange. You were pretty keen to go into Ee-raq, JC. Listened to the media, eh?

Tsk tsk tsk.

bruh i was like 11 yrs old and had no opinion

i was too busy playing pokemon

No no, we all remember your support for the invasion of Iraq, JC. You wanted to go into Iran too, no?

If you've become a peacenik since, we'll forgive you. Make love not war, eh?

Oh - you support Putin.

Sorry, dear, you don't have the peacenik option. You're free to be a Russian patriot if that helps.

I know, I know, you're Australian. But there are worse things than converting to Russian orthodoxy, no?

You could, for example, become a Muslim.

FD would never leave you alone then, eh?

karnal is trolling fyi

i dont support no stinkin wars and never did

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Reply #523 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 1:45pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:29am:

not a bad point.

have to hand it to the taliban.

they kicked russian and american ass .

it pays to be ruthless.
ben roberts would get the VC if he fought for the taliban (maybe they hand out gold AK's)

he is strong competant, brave and ruthless.
what the winning side like in a warrior.

here is OZ a bunch of politicians , media and judiciary with yellow streaks down the back of his back give him a criminal record.

its why the west wont be winning any more wars .

they have lost the warrior essence

BRS is a psycho kunt

he kicked some rando old guy off a cliff for no reason

hes also a giant pussy who hired a private eye to spy on his co workers bc he was afraid of them saying mean things about him behind his back

a regular conan the barbarian alright, sounds like some overgrown office dweeb in military garb to me

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Reply #524 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 2:33pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:29am:

not a bad point.

have to hand it to the taliban.

they kicked russian and american ass .

it pays to be ruthless.
ben roberts would get the VC if he fought for the taliban (maybe they hand out gold AK's)

he is strong competant, brave and ruthless.
what the winning side like in a warrior.

here is OZ a bunch of politicians , media and judiciary with yellow streaks down the back of his back give him a criminal record.

its why the west wont be winning any more wars .

they have lost the warrior essence

True. The Taliban mined disabled Afghanis to blow up Aussies when we rescued them. Cunning, no?

Ben Roberts Smith just sicked the dogs on them, shot them in ditches and knocked off their artificial limbs to use as drinking vessels.

Chalk and cheese, innit.

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