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Reply #525 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 2:36pm

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 11:42am:

Karnal wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:04am:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:45am:

Karnal wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:33am:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 12:21am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 11:57pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:08am:

Do you know?

Maybe the tens of thousands of Western journalists who told us about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction are willing to inform the community

The journalist reported what the politicians were telling them ? The politicians were telling lies and not just a few.

Strange. You were pretty keen to go into Ee-raq, JC. Listened to the media, eh?

Tsk tsk tsk.

bruh i was like 11 yrs old and had no opinion

i was too busy playing pokemon

No no, we all remember your support for the invasion of Iraq, JC. You wanted to go into Iran too, no?

If you've become a peacenik since, we'll forgive you. Make love not war, eh?

Oh - you support Putin.

Sorry, dear, you don't have the peacenik option. You're free to be a Russian patriot if that helps.

I know, I know, you're Australian. But there are worse things than converting to Russian orthodoxy, no?

You could, for example, become a Muslim.

FD would never leave you alone then, eh?

karnal is trolling fyi

i dont support no stinkin wars and never did

Then you changed your mind, JC. Smart move, if you want my opinion.

So why do you support Russia's mobilisation now?

You haven't said.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95293 Gender:	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #526 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 2:40pm Bobby. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:35am: He murders innocent people in cold blood. I think that was Aquascoot's selling point, Bobby. Don't like it? Take it up with the Superior Man. He's one up from the chodes, who as we all know, live lives of pure garbage.
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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5470 Gender:	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #527 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 2:56pm link to any point where i said anything favourable about the iraq war on here pls or u trollin i joined here in 2008 and have barely posted in years
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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #528 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:04pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 2:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:35am:

He murders innocent people in cold blood.

I think that was Aquascoot's selling point, Bobby.

Don't like it? Take it up with the Superior Man. He's one up from the chodes, who as we all know, live lives of pure garbage.

who exactly do you want in your military if not cold blooded murderers.

this is who biden wants to recruit Roll Eyes

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 103099 Melbourne Gender:	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #529 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:53pm Trump will make a deal in Jan 2025. The war won't over till then.
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Reply #530 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:07pm

how many ukrainians will have to die until somebody in the west has the gumption to start talking peace or start negotiating something reasonable

this seeming counteroffensive (which i think westoids have strongarmed the ukrainians into doing) is floundering so far, hard

it's absolutely brutal seeing the footage coming out rn

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #531 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:20pm

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:07pm:

how many ukrainians will have to die until somebody in the west has the gumption to start talking peace or start negotiating something reasonable

this seeming counteroffensive (which i think westoids have strongarmed the ukrainians into doing) is floundering so far, hard

it's absolutely brutal seeing the footage coming out rn

I agree - there will be nothing left of Ukraine the way it's going.
They don't even have a proper modern air force.
They can't win without that.
Many of their tanks were pulled out of museums.
Even the jet fighters they are promising are 40 years old -
it's pathetic.

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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5470 Gender:	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #532 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:25pm yes bobby the biggest issue though is they dont have enough manpower neither side does, you cant effectively couduct rapid operations without the requisite number of infantry their offensive so far appears to be too small scale to penetrate doctrinally organised russian entrenchments
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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #533 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:27pm

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:25pm:

yes bobby

the biggest issue though is they dont have enough manpower

neither side does, you cant effectively couduct rapid operations without the requisite number of infantry

their offensive so far appears to be too small scale to penetrate doctrinally organised russian entrenchments

But let's go back to Blitzkrieg in WW2.

The Germans attacked a strong point on the front line.
They crushed it with artillery, tanks and air power - dive bombers.
They then kept going and circled either side so that the enemy troops
either side of the previous strong point were encircled and
were fired on from 360 degrees.
They took millions of prisoners in Russia that way
and killed many millions more.

Ukraine just can't do that without overwhelming military power.
The West has only given Ukraine enough power to form a stalemate.

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #534 - Jun 10^th, 2023 at 1:13pm

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 2:56pm:

link to any point where i said anything favourable about the iraq war on here pls or u trollin

i joined here in 2008 and have barely posted in years

No no, you don't get to play no-speaka here, JC. We remember your 2008 posts well. We remember all our friends' posts here. You're more that free to find them yourself, if you've forgotten.

Now, would you care to answer the question? If you're so concerned about peace in our time, why are you backing the biggest warmonger since good old A.H?

I know, nice guy, he invented the Volkswagen and the Autobahn (sort of). But like Vlad, coincidentally, he also invented WHITE PRIDE, not that there's anything wrong with that.

Does that have anything to do with it, do you think, JC?

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #535 - Jun 10^th, 2023 at 1:29pm

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:25pm:

yes bobby

the biggest issue though is they dont have enough manpower

neither side does, you cant effectively couduct rapid operations without the requisite number of infantry

their offensive so far appears to be too small scale to penetrate doctrinally organised russian entrenchments

While fundamental to a war, boots on the ground are not data. Boots can be spooked. They require feeding and alcohol and circle jerks and R&R to stay in shape. A good sixth of them go home as vegetables. At least a third, PTSD. In this war, another third's going to come home in a zinc coffin, forgetting all the retards and zombies that will fill Moscow's streets by night for the next twenty years. Plenty won't ever see the streets again. The remaining third will come home eating - and shitting - through a tube.

If you that that's worth it, JC, you know, for a bit of jolly old culture wars, please explain?

The rest of us here think it's insane. You?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136426 Gender:	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #536 - Jun 10^th, 2023 at 1:45pm JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:07pm: how many ukrainians will have to die until somebody in the west has the gumption to start talking peace or start negotiating something reasonable Putin doesn't want to negotiate though.
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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5470 Gender:	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #537 - Jun 10^th, 2023 at 4:41pm war .... war never changes
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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #538 - Jun 10^th, 2023 at 6:10pm If you are planning to buy a Chinese vehicle, this is what you will be funding. And afterwards, it will be Taiwan. And you thought Globalisation was a good idea?
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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #539 - Jun 11^th, 2023 at 2:26am

issuevoter wrote on Jun 10^th, 2023 at 6:10pm:

If you are planning to buy a Chinese vehicle, this is what you will be funding. And afterwards, it will be Taiwan. And you thought Globalisation was a good idea?

welp probably wanted to get our clocks cleaned on that whole make labor land and energy too expensive to make fking anything for any cost effective price in australia plan we've been implementing for the past 50 or so years then

but i guess the boomers got their outer suburban shack being valued at 1.7m so that made that whole de-industrialisation thing hawkey and keating kicked off all the worthwhile hey

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