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Reply #585 - Aug 9^th, 2023 at 1:02pm

none of that will happen bobby

there is not going to be any direct confrontation between NATO and the russian federation because absolutely nobody would win such an engagement and everybody would lose

would be absolutely disastrous for the world and fortunately the people who run our countries aren't stupid enough (yet) to not be aware of this fact

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Reply #586 - Aug 9^th, 2023 at 1:20pm

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 1:02pm:

none of that will happen bobby

there is not going to be any direct confrontation between NATO and the russian federation because absolutely nobody would win such an engagement and everybody would lose

would be absolutely disastrous for the world and fortunately the people who run our countries aren't stupid enough (yet) to not be aware of this fact

Then the alternative is let the Russians invade all of Ukraine and win the war.
On some other CNN video I heard estimates of Ukraine losing 20,000 soldiers per month
They just can't sustain that.

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Reply #587 - Aug 9^th, 2023 at 3:34pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 1:20pm:

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 1:02pm:

none of that will happen bobby

there is not going to be any direct confrontation between NATO and the russian federation because absolutely nobody would win such an engagement and everybody would lose

would be absolutely disastrous for the world and fortunately the people who run our countries aren't stupid enough (yet) to not be aware of this fact

Then the alternative is let the Russians invade all of Ukraine and win the war.
On some other CNN video I heard estimates of Ukraine losing 20,000 soldiers per month
They just can't sustain that.

zelensky will fight to the last ukranian and then high tail it to hollywood to party with sean penn and the woke'ies

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Reply #588 - Aug 9^th, 2023 at 3:45pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 3:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 1:20pm:

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 1:02pm:

none of that will happen bobby

there is not going to be any direct confrontation between NATO and the russian federation because absolutely nobody would win such an engagement and everybody would lose

would be absolutely disastrous for the world and fortunately the people who run our countries aren't stupid enough (yet) to not be aware of this fact

Then the alternative is let the Russians invade all of Ukraine and win the war.
On some other CNN video I heard estimates of Ukraine losing 20,000 soldiers per month
They just can't sustain that.

zelensky will fight to the last ukranian and then high tail it to hollywood to party with sean penn and the woke'ies

Zelensky should have surrendered on the first day as NATO
didn't want to supply their troops to help.
How was ever going to win against Russia?

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Reply #589 - Aug 9^th, 2023 at 5:12pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 3:45pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 3:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 1:20pm:

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 1:02pm:

none of that will happen bobby

there is not going to be any direct confrontation between NATO and the russian federation because absolutely nobody would win such an engagement and everybody would lose

would be absolutely disastrous for the world and fortunately the people who run our countries aren't stupid enough (yet) to not be aware of this fact

Then the alternative is let the Russians invade all of Ukraine and win the war.
On some other CNN video I heard estimates of Ukraine losing 20,000 soldiers per month
They just can't sustain that.

zelensky will fight to the last ukranian and then high tail it to hollywood to party with sean penn and the woke'ies

Zelensky should have surrendered on the first day as NATO
didn't want to supply their troops to help.
How was ever going to win against Russia?

rumours have it that's what he wanted to do but in a sense i can't blame him bc it'd be very likely he would end up with a bullet in his head if he dropped even some of the ukrainian government's irredentist demands

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Reply #593 - Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:16pm

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 5:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 3:45pm:

Zelensky should have surrendered on the first day as NATO
didn't want to supply their troops to help.
How was ever going to win against Russia?

rumours have it that's what he wanted to do but in a sense i can't blame him bc it'd be very likely he would end up with a bullet in his head if he dropped even some of the ukrainian government's irredentist demands

At least he would have had a good point -

NATO wants to sacrifice Ukrainians but not themselves. Sad

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Reply #594 - Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:21pm

most ukrainians have been more than happy to fight up until now, they've delighted thus far in the opportunitiy to ice the moskali

it's why the "to the last ukrainian" rhetoric doesn't really land with me, they have really wanted to do this and ofc they know there's no likelihood of any other country getting involved

as the more enthusiastic and nationalistic elements of ukraine's male population are killed or incapacited ukraine will be forced to scrape the barrel with conscripts much less eager about being press-ganged into service on the frontline

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Reply #595 - Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:27pm

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:21pm:

most ukrainians have been more than happy to fight up until now, they've delighted thus far in the opportunitiy to ice the moskali

it's why the "to the last ukrainian" rhetoric doesn't really land with me, they have really wanted to do this and ofc they know there's no likelihood of any other country getting involved

as the more enthusiastic and nationalistic elements of ukraine's male population are killed or incapacited ukraine will be forced to scrape the barrel with conscripts much less eager about being press-ganged into service on the frontline

Plenty of young Ukrainian men tried to escape in March 2022
but they were stopped at the border and press ganged into fighting -
many are probably dead now. Sad

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10947 armidale Gender:	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #596 - Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:31pm JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 5:12pm: bullet in his head if he dropped even some of the ukrainian government's irredentist demands 'I want ammunition not a ride'.
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Reply #597 - Aug 9^th, 2023 at 8:12pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:27pm:

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:21pm:

most ukrainians have been more than happy to fight up until now, they've delighted thus far in the opportunitiy to ice the moskali

it's why the "to the last ukrainian" rhetoric doesn't really land with me, they have really wanted to do this and ofc they know there's no likelihood of any other country getting involved

as the more enthusiastic and nationalistic elements of ukraine's male population are killed or incapacited ukraine will be forced to scrape the barrel with conscripts much less eager about being press-ganged into service on the frontline

Plenty of young Ukrainian men tried to escape in March 2022
but they were stopped at the border and press ganged into fighting -
many are probably dead now. Sad

yes a lot of them just don't care and i can't blame them. i wouldnt want to fight on either side

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #598 - Aug 9^th, 2023 at 8:34pm

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 8:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:27pm:

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:21pm:

most ukrainians have been more than happy to fight up until now, they've delighted thus far in the opportunitiy to ice the moskali

it's why the "to the last ukrainian" rhetoric doesn't really land with me, they have really wanted to do this and ofc they know there's no likelihood of any other country getting involved

as the more enthusiastic and nationalistic elements of ukraine's male population are killed or incapacited ukraine will be forced to scrape the barrel with conscripts much less eager about being press-ganged into service on the frontline

Plenty of young Ukrainian men tried to escape in March 2022
but they were stopped at the border and press ganged into fighting -
many are probably dead now. Sad

yes a lot of them just don't care and i can't blame them. i wouldnt want to fight on either side

Yes - who would want to join the 10s of millions of dead who fought so many crazy wars in Europe?
Even poor Aussies and Kiwis got involved in their wars and too many died.
It seems that there will always be wars in Europe.

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