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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38520 Gender:	Re: ✪ DeSantis Will Look Into Pardoning Jan 6 Rioters Reply #30 - May 27^th, 2023 at 6:43pm He will 'look,' and him saying that is enough to get you go all gooey at the kneecaps. FMD.
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Re: ✪ DeSantis Will Look Into Pardoning Jan 6 Rioters
Reply #31 - May 27^th, 2023 at 7:30pm

Panther wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 6:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 10:17am:

John Smith wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 9:26am:

Panther wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 11:01am:

DeSantis Says If Elected President
He Will Look Into Pardoning Jan. 6 Rioters

of course he will. Roll Eyes

He also hasn't ruled out pardoning......Trump.

Source:

The Independent

Quote:

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis on Thursday said he would “aggressively” use presidential pardons to free people who’ve been charged or convicted of crimes – including former President Donald Trump.

Speaking during an interview with hosts Buck Sexton and Clay Travis, Mr DeSantis claimed that the Department of Justice has been “weaponised” under the Biden Administration. He cited a laundry list of GOP grievances about federal law enforcement targeting conservative activists and other GOP figures who have allegedly violated federal laws.

“What I’m going to do is ... on day one, I will have folks that will get together and look at all these cases, who people are victims of weaponisation or political targeting, and we will be aggressive at issuing pardons,” he said.......

The Pardoning Power of the President is based on Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution, so that's the prerogative of the President of the United States via powers granted the President under Law....The United States Constitution. The only criteria is that the alleged offenses must be against the United States.....Federal Crimes.

Thanks, Panther, but Ron's not your prez, dear. Sleepy Joe is.

Who do you think Joe should pardon?

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Re: ✪ DeSantis Will Look Into Pardoning Jan 6 Rioters
Reply #32 - May 27^th, 2023 at 11:25pm

Karnal wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 7:30pm:

Panther wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 6:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 10:17am:

John Smith wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 9:26am:

Panther wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 11:01am:

DeSantis Says If Elected President
He Will Look Into Pardoning Jan. 6 Rioters

of course he will. Roll Eyes

He also hasn't ruled out pardoning......Trump.

Source:

The Independent

Quote:

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis on Thursday said he would “aggressively” use presidential pardons to free people who’ve been charged or convicted of crimes – including former President Donald Trump.

Speaking during an interview with hosts Buck Sexton and Clay Travis, Mr DeSantis claimed that the Department of Justice has been “weaponised” under the Biden Administration. He cited a laundry list of GOP grievances about federal law enforcement targeting conservative activists and other GOP figures who have allegedly violated federal laws.

“What I’m going to do is ... on day one, I will have folks that will get together and look at all these cases, who people are victims of weaponisation or political targeting, and we will be aggressive at issuing pardons,” he said.......

The Pardoning Power of the President is based on Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution, so that's the prerogative of the President of the United States via powers granted the President under Law....The United States Constitution. The only criteria is that the alleged offenses must be against the United States.....Federal Crimes.

Thanks, Panther, but Ron's not your prez, dear. Sleepy Joe is.

Who do you think Joe should pardon?

I suspect if re-elected Joe will pardon Donald.

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Re: ✪ DeSantis Will Look Into Pardoning Jan 6 Rioters
Reply #33 - May 27^th, 2023 at 11:29pm

Panther wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 6:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 10:17am:

John Smith wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 9:26am:

Panther wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 11:01am:

DeSantis Says If Elected President
He Will Look Into Pardoning Jan. 6 Rioters

of course he will. Roll Eyes

He also hasn't ruled out pardoning......Trump.

Source:

The Independent

Quote:

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis on Thursday said he would “aggressively” use presidential pardons to free people who’ve been charged or convicted of crimes – including former President Donald Trump.

Speaking during an interview with hosts Buck Sexton and Clay Travis, Mr DeSantis claimed that the Department of Justice has been “weaponised” under the Biden Administration. He cited a laundry list of GOP grievances about federal law enforcement targeting conservative activists and other GOP figures who have allegedly violated federal laws.

“What I’m going to do is ... on day one, I will have folks that will get together and look at all these cases, who people are victims of weaponisation or political targeting, and we will be aggressive at issuing pardons,” he said.......

The Pardoning Power of the President is based on Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution, so that's the prerogative of the President of the United States via powers granted the President under Law....The United States Constitution. The only criteria is that the alleged offenses must be against the United States.....Federal Crimes.

Yes this is correct and it was never a problem till there was a criminal president.

Remember the clambering from the Republicans when a dem president (Clinton) pardoned a white collar criminal. Trump pardoned piles of them. likely for profit.

Now they want to pardon insurrectionists.

Anyone remember when the Republicans pretended to be the party of Law and Order ? (long gone).

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Re: ✪ DeSantis Will Look Into Pardoning Jan 6 Rioters
Reply #34 - May 28^th, 2023 at 1:57am

Dnarever wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 11:25pm:

Karnal wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 7:30pm:

Panther wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 6:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 10:17am:

John Smith wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 9:26am:

Panther wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 11:01am:

DeSantis Says If Elected President
He Will Look Into Pardoning Jan. 6 Rioters

of course he will. Roll Eyes

He also hasn't ruled out pardoning......Trump.

Source:

The Independent

Quote:

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis on Thursday said he would “aggressively” use presidential pardons to free people who’ve been charged or convicted of crimes – including former President Donald Trump.

Speaking during an interview with hosts Buck Sexton and Clay Travis, Mr DeSantis claimed that the Department of Justice has been “weaponised” under the Biden Administration. He cited a laundry list of GOP grievances about federal law enforcement targeting conservative activists and other GOP figures who have allegedly violated federal laws.

“What I’m going to do is ... on day one, I will have folks that will get together and look at all these cases, who people are victims of weaponisation or political targeting, and we will be aggressive at issuing pardons,” he said.......

The Pardoning Power of the President is based on Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution, so that's the prerogative of the President of the United States via powers granted the President under Law....The United States Constitution. The only criteria is that the alleged offenses must be against the United States.....Federal Crimes.

Thanks, Panther, but Ron's not your prez, dear. Sleepy Joe is.

Who do you think Joe should pardon?

I suspect if re-elected Joe will pardon Donald.

Is this right, Panther? Should Sleepy Joe Biden, your current prez, pardon Mr Trump, your fellow citizen?

That's a question.

Feel free to include in your answer any previously expressed views on political corruption, the rule of law, Hillary Clinton and your president's powers within your much loved constitution.

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Re: ✪ DeSantis Will Look Into Pardoning Jan 6 Rioters
Reply #35 - May 28^th, 2023 at 9:48am

Dnarever wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 11:29pm:

Panther wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 6:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 10:17am:

John Smith wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 9:26am:

Panther wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 11:01am:

DeSantis Says If Elected President
He Will Look Into Pardoning Jan. 6 Rioters

of course he will. Roll Eyes

He also hasn't ruled out pardoning......Trump.

Source:

The Independent

Quote:

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis on Thursday said he would “aggressively” use presidential pardons to free people who’ve been charged or convicted of crimes – including former President Donald Trump.

Speaking during an interview with hosts Buck Sexton and Clay Travis, Mr DeSantis claimed that the Department of Justice has been “weaponised” under the Biden Administration. He cited a laundry list of GOP grievances about federal law enforcement targeting conservative activists and other GOP figures who have allegedly violated federal laws.

“What I’m going to do is ... on day one, I will have folks that will get together and look at all these cases, who people are victims of weaponisation or political targeting, and we will be aggressive at issuing pardons,” he said.......

The Pardoning Power of the President is based on Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution, so that's the prerogative of the President of the United States via powers granted the President under Law....The United States Constitution. The only criteria is that the alleged offenses must be against the United States.....Federal Crimes.

Yes this is correct and it was never a problem till there was a criminal president.

Remember the clambering from the Republicans when a dem president (Clinton) pardoned a white collar criminal. Trump pardoned piles of them. likely for profit.

Now they want to pardon insurrectionists.

Anyone remember when the Republicans pretended to be the party of Law and Order ? (long gone).

Well DuckBoy, if you, or Matty, or Gweggy, or Smitty, or anyone else for that matter doesn't care for the powers the US Constitution gives to the President of the United States of America, then you should take it up with the American People to amend their Constitution, for failing that any President of the United States will continue to have Pardoning Power.......as they have for 230+ years.

Power to use it on virtually anyone they please... popular or not.

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God Bless
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Re: ✪ DeSantis Will Look Into Pardoning Jan 6 Rioters
Reply #36 - May 28^th, 2023 at 8:14pm

Panther wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:48am:

Dnarever wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 11:29pm:

Panther wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 6:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 10:17am:

John Smith wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 9:26am:

Panther wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 11:01am:

DeSantis Says If Elected President
He Will Look Into Pardoning Jan. 6 Rioters

of course he will. Roll Eyes

He also hasn't ruled out pardoning......Trump.

Source:

The Independent

Quote:

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis on Thursday said he would “aggressively” use presidential pardons to free people who’ve been charged or convicted of crimes – including former President Donald Trump.

Speaking during an interview with hosts Buck Sexton and Clay Travis, Mr DeSantis claimed that the Department of Justice has been “weaponised” under the Biden Administration. He cited a laundry list of GOP grievances about federal law enforcement targeting conservative activists and other GOP figures who have allegedly violated federal laws.

“What I’m going to do is ... on day one, I will have folks that will get together and look at all these cases, who people are victims of weaponisation or political targeting, and we will be aggressive at issuing pardons,” he said.......

The Pardoning Power of the President is based on Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution, so that's the prerogative of the President of the United States via powers granted the President under Law....The United States Constitution. The only criteria is that the alleged offenses must be against the United States.....Federal Crimes.

Yes this is correct and it was never a problem till there was a criminal president.

Remember the clambering from the Republicans when a dem president (Clinton) pardoned a white collar criminal. Trump pardoned piles of them. likely for profit.

Now they want to pardon insurrectionists.

Anyone remember when the Republicans pretended to be the party of Law and Order ? (long gone).

Well DuckBoy, if you, or Matty, or Gweggy, or Smitty, or anyone else for that matter doesn't care for the powers the US Constitution gives to the President of the United States of America, then you should take it up with the American People to amend their Constitution, for failing that any President of the United States will continue to have Pardoning Power.......as they have for 230+ years.

Power to use it on virtually anyone they please... popular or not. https://imgur.com/0SEVRrv.gif https://imgur.com/tcXrxxg.gif

God Bless
The United States Constitution
.....

God Bless
AMERICA
.....

https://imgur.com/hTXKL8Q.gif

It was the Republicans who were complaining about it in Clinton's day. Maybe have a word to them about it.

It is possible that a number of Trump pardons could be struck down if they are tried to be used.

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Mortdooley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6984 Texas Gulf Coast Gender:	Re: ✪ DeSantis Will Look Into Pardoning Jan 6 Rioters Reply #37 - May 28^th, 2023 at 9:34pm The next President needs to bring murder charges against Michael Byrd for the killing of Ashley Babbitt and prosecute every government employee sent to agitate and create a false flag riot on January 6th!
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Re: ✪ DeSantis Will Look Into Pardoning Jan 6 Rioters
Reply #38 - May 28^th, 2023 at 9:56pm

Panther wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 6:29pm:

...Florida Governor Ron DeSantis on Thursday said he would “aggressively” use presidential pardons to free people who’ve been charged or convicted of crimes – including former President Donald Trump.

LOL... DeSantis will never be US president.

Nor will the disgraced former president ever hold that office again.

End of story.

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Re: ✪ DeSantis Will Look Into Pardoning Jan 6 Rioters
Reply #39 - May 28^th, 2023 at 10:12pm

Mortdooley wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:34pm:

The next President needs to bring murder charges against Michael Byrd for the killing of Ashley Babbitt and prosecute every government employee sent to agitate and create a false flag riot on January 6th!

Will never happen. Babbitt was attempting to illegally enter
the House chamber, and Byrd acted totally in accord with the
law to prevent that.

At the time, the only "government employee" who incited the
Capitol riot was the disgraced former president.

And to claim that the riot was a "false flag" is ludicrous. I'm
guessing that you also reckon 9/11 was a false flag incident?

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Re: ✪ DeSantis Will Look Into Pardoning Jan 6 Rioters
Reply #40 - May 28^th, 2023 at 10:38pm

Dnarever wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:14pm:

Panther wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:48am:

Dnarever wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 11:29pm:

Panther wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 6:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 10:17am:

John Smith wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 9:26am:

Panther wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 11:01am:

DeSantis Says If Elected President
He Will Look Into Pardoning Jan. 6 Rioters

of course he will. Roll Eyes

He also hasn't ruled out pardoning......Trump.

Source:

The Independent

Quote:

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis on Thursday said he would “aggressively” use presidential pardons to free people who’ve been charged or convicted of crimes – including former President Donald Trump.

Speaking during an interview with hosts Buck Sexton and Clay Travis, Mr DeSantis claimed that the Department of Justice has been “weaponised” under the Biden Administration. He cited a laundry list of GOP grievances about federal law enforcement targeting conservative activists and other GOP figures who have allegedly violated federal laws.

“What I’m going to do is ... on day one, I will have folks that will get together and look at all these cases, who people are victims of weaponisation or political targeting, and we will be aggressive at issuing pardons,” he said.......

The Pardoning Power of the President is based on Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution, so that's the prerogative of the President of the United States via powers granted the President under Law....The United States Constitution. The only criteria is that the alleged offenses must be against the United States.....Federal Crimes.

Yes this is correct and it was never a problem till there was a criminal president.

Remember the clambering from the Republicans when a dem president (Clinton) pardoned a white collar criminal. Trump pardoned piles of them. likely for profit.

Now they want to pardon insurrectionists.

Anyone remember when the Republicans pretended to be the party of Law and Order ? (long gone).

Well DuckBoy, if you, or Matty, or Gweggy, or Smitty, or anyone else for that matter doesn't care for the powers the US Constitution gives to the President of the United States of America, then you should take it up with the American People to amend their Constitution, for failing that any President of the United States will continue to have Pardoning Power.......as they have for 230+ years.

Power to use it on virtually anyone they please... popular or not. https://imgur.com/0SEVRrv.gif https://imgur.com/tcXrxxg.gif

God Bless
The United States Constitution
.....

God Bless
AMERICA
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https://imgur.com/hTXKL8Q.gif

It was the Republicans who were complaining about it in Clinton's day. Maybe have a word to them about it.

It is possible that a number of Trump pardons could be struck down if they are tried to be used.

Once a Presidential Pardon is exercised & accepted by the person pardoned, it can not be reversed. Not even the US Supreme Court, nor the Congress of the United States, has the power to reverse or revoke such an executed Presidential Pardon.

If you think so, then please provide the legal instrument, including it's Constitutional Source & process, that would accomplish a Presidential Pardon being revoked or reversed after it has been accepted.

To date no Presidential Pardon, properly exercised & accepted by the person pardoned, has ever been revoked or reversed.

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Re: ✪ DeSantis Will Look Into Pardoning Jan 6 Rioters
Reply #41 - May 28^th, 2023 at 11:24pm

Panther wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 10:38pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:14pm:

Panther wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:48am:

Dnarever wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 11:29pm:

Panther wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 6:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 10:17am:

John Smith wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 9:26am:

Panther wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 11:01am:

DeSantis Says If Elected President
He Will Look Into Pardoning Jan. 6 Rioters

of course he will. Roll Eyes

He also hasn't ruled out pardoning......Trump.

Source:

The Independent

Quote:

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis on Thursday said he would “aggressively” use presidential pardons to free people who’ve been charged or convicted of crimes – including former President Donald Trump.

Speaking during an interview with hosts Buck Sexton and Clay Travis, Mr DeSantis claimed that the Department of Justice has beenaws.

“What I’m going to do is ... on day one, I will have folks that will get together and look at all these cases, who people are victims of weaponisation or political targeting, and we will be aggressive at issuing pardons,” he said.......

The Pardoning Power of the President is based on Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution, so that's the prerogative of the President of the United States via powers granted the President under Law....The United States Constitution. The only criteria is that the alleged offenses must be against the United States.....Federal Crimes.

Yes this is correct and it was never a problem till there was a criminal president.

Remember the clambering from the Republicans when a dem president (Clinton) pardoned a white collar criminal. Trump pardoned piles of them. likely for profit.

Now they want to pardon insurrectionists.

Anyone remember when the Republicans pretended to be the party of Law and Order ? (long gone).

Well DuckBoy, if you, or Matty, or Gweggy, or Smitty, or anyone else for that matter doesn't care for the powers the US Constitution gives to the President of the United States of America, then you should take it up with the American People to amend their Constitution, for failing that any President of the United States will continue to have Pardoning Power.......as they have for 230+ years.

Power to use it on virtually anyone they please... popular or not. https://imgur.com/0SEVRrv.gif https://imgur.com/tcXrxxg.gif

God Bless
The United States Constitution
.....

God Bless
AMERICA
.....

https://imgur.com/hTXKL8Q.gif

It was the Republicans who were complaining about it in Clinton's day. Maybe have a word to them about it.

It is possible that a number of Trump pardons could be struck down if they are tried to be used.

Once a Presidential Pardon is exercised & accepted by the person pardoned, it can not be reversed. Not even the US Supreme Court, nor the Congress of the United States, has the power to reverse or revoke such an executed Presidential Pardon.

If you think so, then please provide the legal instrument, including it's Constitutional Source & process, that would accomplish a Presidential Pardon being revoked or reversed after it has been accepted.

To date no Presidential Pardon, properly exercised & accepted by the person pardoned, has ever been revoked or reversed.

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Once a Presidential Pardon is exercised & accepted by the person pardoned, it can not be reversed.

This is true.

However apparently Trump offered and likely delivered preemptive Pardons (blanket Pardons). These pardons have not been exercised.

An example could be that a Trump Cronie who conspired with trump in Trump's insurrection. If charged he / she could pull out their pardon, A court could rule it a corrupt pardon and revoke it or the current President could revoke it.

There have been 2 pardons revoked.

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In 1869, we are told by the Congressional Research Service, ‘after outgoing President Andrew Johnson issued but did not deliver a pardon, incoming President Ulysses S. Grant revoked the pardon, and a federal court upheld the revocation’.

This means that President Biden could revoke any Trump pardon that has not been executed in Trump's term.

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More recently, in 2008 President George W. Bush revoked a pardon he had himself granted, because of an outcry.

Bush pardoned a Republican donor and got caught.

https://davidallengreen.com/2021/01/can-a-presidential-pardon-be-revoked/

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Re: ✪ DeSantis Will Look Into Pardoning Jan 6 Rioters
Reply #42 - May 29^th, 2023 at 12:00am

AusGeoff wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 10:12pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:34pm:

The next President needs to bring murder charges against Michael Byrd for the killing of Ashley Babbitt and prosecute every government employee sent to agitate and create a false flag riot on January 6th!

Will never happen. Babbitt was attempting to illegally enter
the House chamber, and Byrd acted totally in accord with the
law to prevent that.

At the time, the only "government employee" who incited the
Capitol riot was the disgraced former president.

And to claim that the riot was a "false flag" is ludicrous. I'm
guessing that you also reckon 9/11 was a false flag incident?

It is called "DISPARITY OF FORCE", those actions didn't justify the killing of a small woman who could have been handcuffed before she was fully inside. People who take the actions he did are charged with the death they caused unless politics is involved.

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Re: ✪ DeSantis Will Look Into Pardoning Jan 6 Rioters
Reply #43 - May 29^th, 2023 at 4:35pm

Mortdooley wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 12:00am:

AusGeoff wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 10:12pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:34pm:

The next President needs to bring murder charges against Michael Byrd for the killing of Ashley Babbitt and prosecute every government employee sent to agitate and create a false flag riot on January 6th!

Will never happen. Babbitt was attempting to illegally enter
the House chamber, and Byrd acted totally in accord with the
law to prevent that.

At the time, the only "government employee" who incited the
Capitol riot was the disgraced former president.

And to claim that the riot was a "false flag" is ludicrous. I'm
guessing that you also reckon 9/11 was a false flag incident?

It is called "DISPARITY OF FORCE", those actions didn't justify the killing of a small woman who could have been handcuffed before she was fully inside. People who take the actions he did are charged with the death they caused unless politics is involved.

Had she broken through the hoard were likely following, the hall went directly into the chamber. Hang Mike Punce, Hang Mike Punce, Hang Mike Punce.

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Re: ✪ DeSantis Will Look Into Pardoning Jan 6 Rioters
Reply #44 - May 29^th, 2023 at 4:39pm

Mortdooley wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 12:00am:

AusGeoff wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 10:12pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:34pm:

The next President needs to bring murder charges against Michael Byrd for the killing of Ashley Babbitt and prosecute every government employee sent to agitate and create a false flag riot on January 6th!

Will never happen. Babbitt was attempting to illegally enter
the House chamber, and Byrd acted totally in accord with the
law to prevent that.

At the time, the only "government employee" who incited the
Capitol riot was the disgraced former president.

And to claim that the riot was a "false flag" is ludicrous. I'm
guessing that you also reckon 9/11 was a false flag incident?

It is called "DISPARITY OF FORCE", those actions didn't justify the killing of a small woman who could have been handcuffed before she was fully inside. People who take the actions he did are charged with the death they caused unless politics is involved.

She was a terrorist in the middle of carrying out a terrorist attack.

That's what happens to terrorists, terrorist sympathiser.

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