Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2024 at 4:19pm:



The apology is itself a sham.

An apology is essentially, fundamentally, a MUTUAL interaction.

I am not aware of ANY Abo organisation, tribal chief, minister, Big Man, whatever actually ACCEPTING the apology.

If an apology is not accepted then it is not an apology.  When will Abos accept the apology? Never.
All the activists, the Mayos, Thorpes etc, etc would be instantly out of the trough, unemployed and without an income, a platform, a reason to exist and agitate.

So the apology will NEVER be actually ACCEPTED.

Not when it becomes just another annual event of some group suddenly requiring payout. It sort of tends to pale towards unreality with each passing year... just when everyone, at first bite, thought it was a fair settlement - all the realities come out including today's figures - and then every year there is a new demand for money.

Time to just cut it all off.

Just heartbreaking that the sentiment thus displayed in this thread still exist in an educated Australia.

Thankfully, they are dying out. It's very sad that the people expressing them haven't evolved with the times.

I sincerely wish that i never reach a stage in my life in which i hold so firm to my beliefs that i am not open to accepting new ideas.

mothra wrote on Sep 16^th, 2024 at 7:14am:

You are the agent of old, failed ideas. Here's a new idea:

Jon Tippett KC, the Northern Territory’s leading criminal barrister, says putting men on alcohol and family violence programs while they’re in prison is a waste of time because the alcoholic repeated wife-basher is in an unrealistic environment where he can neither drink nor bash women.

“It’s silly. You’re teaching them about something they have no access to,” Tippett says. “There’s no alcohol in prison. There’s no wife. An addict that goes in comes out an addict. Same with domestic violence. How do you deal with behavioural change with men that mostly cannot read or write, spend 23 hours in a cell and where everyone else is in for the same thing?

“You can’t teach him not to do it in jail. Men who beat Aboriginal women do not face disapproval within their own communities. They’re not stripped of their position on the local council for beating up their wife. They’re not made an example of. It’s not culturally part of a taboo.”

If Tippett is right, neither the men’s own culture nor the prison system can assist with their rehabilitation – and the acceptance of the Bugmy principles means they are effectively written off from the time of their early childhood. If older repeat offenders are beyond help, that ought not mean there’s no hope at all. Tippett argues that the new federal money must focus on men, but especially boys. “It’s not scientific. Rather than breeding more perpetrators, and funding a whole new industry based on society’s failure, spend the money on young people prior to them get into trouble. And then work on them when they get out,” says Tippett.

“I think Lia Finocchiaro’s focus on the young is right. She can’t offer outcomes immediately, and it’s going to take us a couple of decades to extricate ourselves. But the only reasonable way is to continue to focus on young people.

“We’ve thrown kids into prison and we’ve done it thinking they’ll suddenly become good people. They have instead experienced further brutality and isolation. They’ve already grown up with that, and that’s the reason they’re in prison.

“Everyone is listening to women. That fair enough. They are victims and we need to do the best we can to protect them – but to be truly effective we need fewer perpetrators. Hard approaches on youth can make sense if there’s a capacity for the young to understand the approaches and if they are relevant.

“I believe Lia Finocchiaro is a sincere person. She’s a mother who’s lived in the Territory all her life. She will try and do the best she can. I don’t think she has an agenda against any social group. Quite the opposite.”

Tippett says it is time for brave people to try new things and to be stern. And to be prepared to fail, and to then try other things.

“It’s going to be a tough one,” he says. “Where there’s lack of parental control or parental interest, young people may have to be in prison. Ten-year-old kids may have to be put in an environment where they’re fed and schooled.

“It’s all very well for parents in Palmerston or out in communities to scream about their kids being taken away. But you, parents, are not sending them to school. You are not feeding them. You are not bathing them or clothing them. They have scabies. You are not engaging in their health care. They are below weight and their cognitive abilities have suffered because you are not looking after them.

“It’s a choice. Either you look after them, or somebody else will. We may do that reluctantly. But these children are entitled to an upbringing in a first-world country that gives them a crack at life. If you’re not going to do it, mum and dad, then we are."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/northern-territory-courts-a-revolving-do...