On the 25th National Sorry Day, Stolen Generations survivors say Australia still doesn't acknowledge its history

Stolen Generations survivor says Sorry Day highlights ongoing pain for Aboriginal families

UnSubRocky wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 4:02pm:


No they weren't.  The Police sought them out and took them from their parents, Unsub.  They were usually removed from camps and homes. They broke the hearts of the parents and the kids and prevented them ever meeting again. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   

Brian Ross wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 5:59pm:


The same happened to white children made wards of the state.

And yes many of them were removed from homes because of neglect & poverty issues including not being able to support or sustain children.

Where's your empathy for them?

Were they not affected & traumatised because of what happened to them?

Why is it that it only matters if you were Aboriginal?

Piss off you sanctimonious old cockroll.

Brian Ross wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 4:02pm:


well - it's an ongoing pain for everyone else, too... time to get over it and get on with a good life.

Brian is one of those Aussies with a moustache, a rolex, a hawaiin shirt and a 'love you long time' from down-town Asia.

Brian Ross wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 5:56pm:


Authorities took the indigenous children (with caucasian heritage) from the parents of those that could not look after their children. Full-blooded indigenous children would probably have been ignored for a long time.

Boris wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 6:36am:


Where is your proof, Troll about modern Cannibalism amongst Indigenous people?  They were stolen, as proved in court.  You are talking Racist trolling again, WOFTAM.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   

Right on cue as the voice fails .... bring on the harps and cellos...

Gnads wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 10:04am:


"Race" wasn't removed from the Constitution in 1967.  It is still there.  When did you ever read the Australian Constitution?  I bet never.  Section III(XXV) still holds:

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What happened in 1967 was a change to the clause that stated the Commonwealth was to have no power over Indigenous Australians to have power over them:

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Brian Ross wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:56pm:


It doesn't mention any specific race......it applies to all races

now you want a specific race to have a specific section applicable only to them enshrined back into the Constitution.

That's racist/exclusionary & divisive.

I stand by what I said about you.

Special laws could be favourable to that 'race' ...  affirmative action in the PS etc has already done that for ethnics as race groups  (now look at the joint) - funny how people cry 'principle' over one POV they disagree with, and then throw it out the window when it comes to their favourite one...

Well - they would, wouldn't they?  If they claim pain on pain for generations, then King Albo, in his Madness, might give them another handout...

They need to Get Over It!!

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/at-what-cost-nathan-maynard-explores-th...

My theatre - one of the many 'owners' who never get a cent.. play about identifying as an Aborigine - clearly the benefits are flowing in as we speak and the sorts of entrepreneurs like Pascoe can see billions just over the horizon.  Says he's been accepted by the Yuin - never heard that one.... his Cornish ancestry speaks otherwise so maybe they see something in having him ....

Needs to be cleaned up this identifying garbage .........  Jesus - my uncle the copper once said I had legs like a Blackfulla - I must be one, eh?  Want me claim, bro............ where's my 44,000 sq km and $450m?

Unfortunately, it's far worse than that - most Australians don't give a rat's and a good 50% scratch their heads in lack of understanding of anything from the past here... being recent imports ...... blow-ins who get to vote .....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 7:30am:



RE: your Sowell meme/jpeg

that's exactly what's happening.

Brian Ross wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 1:41pm:


You think? You truly are a clown.

I'm not asking you to tell me what you vote on the day.

But here you openly push the Aboriginal barrow on every issue. That's demonstrated.

So in that I already know what you will vote.

You label everyone who doesn't hold similar views to you as to Aboriginals as racist.

As dumb as Albanese saying that for the Labor govt to equally fund the "No" campaign would make them racists.

I voted LABOR all my working life ...... I will never again ............

because Albanese(I voted for him to be leader in opposition as well, all members of the Labor Party got a vote between him & Shorten) is lying to the people about the details & affects of the Voice.

I'd say - like pretty much everything else related to Aborigines - most people have heard enough of it and have turned their ears off.

That in itself is dangerous because it gives the governments the opportunity to sneak something in behind your back without your hearing of it.....

The duty of government is to provide security for its people - and government must also ensure that security is in place against itself, given the extreme imbalance in power and resources between government and the ordinary folk.  Those resources must never be utilised in attacking or oppressing the people, since government itself is the greatest danger to democracy and to the well-being of the ordinary folk .... always has been - always will be.

You must forever be on your guard against the true import of what any government of any stamp is doing at any given time - you cannot afford to stop up your ears or close your eyes..... your opportunities to act as a stakeholder in most issues are already limited enough without your adding to that deficit.

When was the last time you received timely notice to offer a viewpoint in a major issue in the area in which you live?  You must NEVER permit government to specify who is and who is not a 'stakeholder'.

Gnads wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 6:36pm:


Yeah, sure, sure, Racist.  Who cares what colour a person's skin is, except a Racist?  As far as I am concerned, a White person can claim to be an Indigenous person.  It doesn't matter what colour a person's skin is, what matters is their ancestry.  You can have Black White people and White Black people and all shades in between.

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Only to a Racist, a person who cares about how much melanin a person has in their skin cells.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... 

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The Government is meant to be non-Racist.  He is proving that by refusing to fund the, "No" campiagn.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   

How many times must we "accept it"?  Every time they want another pay day?

Get a life is my advice... Albo is ensuring those days are coming to a close by bringing this entire Two Nations thing to a head....

That was his plan, BTW - that way he gets to blame either side or both sides at whim and come out smelling like a rose....

We need a new form of government here.... the old one clearly doesn't work.

Gnads wrote on Jun 1^st, 2023 at 6:31pm:


The reasons invariably given by the purveyors of the "No" vote are usually Racist at the heart of them.  Just like the criticisms of Stan Grant are concerned with his skin colour rather than his sentiments.

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And what do you have, except Racism?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   
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Why do you react as if it is important?  Because it makes you feel superior to them.  You denigrate them at every turn simply because they have more melanin than you do.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me, now we get down to ad huminem insults, hey?  You have nothing else to throw so you resort to schoolyard insults?  Such foolishness from a Racist, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk....   

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 1^st, 2023 at 6:46pm:


Totally incorrect. Racist is all you've got & blind ignorance.

And the criticisms of Stan Grant lie exactly with his sentiments.

Any colour issue is with him too otherwise he would not have gone to such lengths to make himself look darker.... now would he?

Gnads wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2023 at 12:42pm:


If you don't like being identified as a "Racist", then stop talking Racism all the time, you Racist.  Understand?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   

Not enough Aboriginal children are removed from their toxic families and communities and so they grow up and become toxic adults themselves.




It’s 8pm and the dust is settling across the ranges of Alice Springs when inside the town’s industrial area a group of kids arrive at the Pickles Auctions car yard.

They’re about to steal a car and lead police on a dangerous chase – an all-too-familiar scene here, where children as young as 10 are caught behind the wheel and ­immediately returned to a ­“responsible adult” – only to continue to reoffend.

Dozens of cars in the yard are protected by a 2m-high fence topped with razor wire, but the kids have their eyes on one in particular. It’s a Toyota Rav 4 they’ve stolen once before.

The first time ended badly – the car smashed up and ultimately hauled into the car yard, where it was written off by the insurance company.

But the car is drivable – and the kids still have the keys.

Jumping the razor wire fence, they climb into the SUV and drive it headlong into the heavy metal gate. It takes seven attempts to get through.
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Just before 11pm, the boys abandon the vehicle outside K-Mart.

“With precision and skill, police located and apprehended four youths, aged between 10 and 13,” police say in a statement the following day.

The two 11-year-olds and the 10-year-old are conveyed to their homes and “handed over to a ­responsible adult”.

The 13-year-old, who was charged with theft, driving a motor vehicle without consent and damage to property, appears before a court the following ­afternoon. It’s his first time before the court. He sits there, apparently bored, running his hands through his hair. He does his best to avoid eye contact with anyone in the room as a police officer stands beside him.

In applying for bail, the court hears there have been three ­domestic disturbances at his proposed bail address within the last month.

His family and another family are also having a dispute.

The following day, he withdraws his bail application. He’d rather stay in jail than live at an ­alternative bail address in a ­remote community far removed from Alice Springs.

On average, there were 39 ­vehicles stolen every month in Alice Springs last year. Many of these vehicles ended up abandoned in the desert after they had been taken for a joyride or used in a ram-raid – often at a liquor store.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/nations-heart-is-breaking-again-in-alice...



Far from being the Stolen Generation, those Aborigines who h save been removed should be called the Rescued Generation.
Language matters. 'Stolen Generation'  misrepresents and falsifies reality in 1984 - style NewSpeak.

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2024 at 4:19pm:



The apology is itself a sham.

An apology is essentially, fundamentally, a MUTUAL interaction.

I am not aware of ANY Abo organisation, tribal chief, minister, Big Man, whatever actually ACCEPTING the apology.

If an apology is not accepted then it is not an apology.  When will Abos accept the apology? Never.
All the activists, the Mayos, Thorpes etc, etc would be instantly out of the trough, unemployed and without an income, a platform, a reason to exist and agitate.

So the apology will NEVER be actually ACCEPTED.

Not when it becomes just another annual event of some group suddenly requiring payout. It sort of tends to pale towards unreality with each passing year... just when everyone, at first bite, thought it was a fair settlement - all the realities come out including today's figures - and then every year there is a new demand for money.

Time to just cut it all off.

Just heartbreaking that the sentiment thus displayed in this thread still exist in an educated Australia.

Thankfully, they are dying out. It's very sad that the people expressing them haven't evolved with the times.

I sincerely wish that i never reach a stage in my life in which i hold so firm to my beliefs that i am not open to accepting new ideas.

mothra wrote on Sep 16^th, 2024 at 7:14am:

You are the agent of old, failed ideas. Here's a new idea:

Jon Tippett KC, the Northern Territory’s leading criminal barrister, says putting men on alcohol and family violence programs while they’re in prison is a waste of time because the alcoholic repeated wife-basher is in an unrealistic environment where he can neither drink nor bash women.

“It’s silly. You’re teaching them about something they have no access to,” Tippett says. “There’s no alcohol in prison. There’s no wife. An addict that goes in comes out an addict. Same with domestic violence. How do you deal with behavioural change with men that mostly cannot read or write, spend 23 hours in a cell and where everyone else is in for the same thing?

“You can’t teach him not to do it in jail. Men who beat Aboriginal women do not face disapproval within their own communities. They’re not stripped of their position on the local council for beating up their wife. They’re not made an example of. It’s not culturally part of a taboo.”

If Tippett is right, neither the men’s own culture nor the prison system can assist with their rehabilitation – and the acceptance of the Bugmy principles means they are effectively written off from the time of their early childhood. If older repeat offenders are beyond help, that ought not mean there’s no hope at all. Tippett argues that the new federal money must focus on men, but especially boys. “It’s not scientific. Rather than breeding more perpetrators, and funding a whole new industry based on society’s failure, spend the money on young people prior to them get into trouble. And then work on them when they get out,” says Tippett.

“I think Lia Finocchiaro’s focus on the young is right. She can’t offer outcomes immediately, and it’s going to take us a couple of decades to extricate ourselves. But the only reasonable way is to continue to focus on young people.

“We’ve thrown kids into prison and we’ve done it thinking they’ll suddenly become good people. They have instead experienced further brutality and isolation. They’ve already grown up with that, and that’s the reason they’re in prison.

“Everyone is listening to women. That fair enough. They are victims and we need to do the best we can to protect them – but to be truly effective we need fewer perpetrators. Hard approaches on youth can make sense if there’s a capacity for the young to understand the approaches and if they are relevant.

“I believe Lia Finocchiaro is a sincere person. She’s a mother who’s lived in the Territory all her life. She will try and do the best she can. I don’t think she has an agenda against any social group. Quite the opposite.”

Tippett says it is time for brave people to try new things and to be stern. And to be prepared to fail, and to then try other things.

“It’s going to be a tough one,” he says. “Where there’s lack of parental control or parental interest, young people may have to be in prison. Ten-year-old kids may have to be put in an environment where they’re fed and schooled.

“It’s all very well for parents in Palmerston or out in communities to scream about their kids being taken away. But you, parents, are not sending them to school. You are not feeding them. You are not bathing them or clothing them. They have scabies. You are not engaging in their health care. They are below weight and their cognitive abilities have suffered because you are not looking after them.

“It’s a choice. Either you look after them, or somebody else will. We may do that reluctantly. But these children are entitled to an upbringing in a first-world country that gives them a crack at life. If you’re not going to do it, mum and dad, then we are."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/northern-territory-courts-a-revolving-do...

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 16^th, 2024 at 2:16pm:


Keep it up you yawning imbecile.

Jasin wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 6:09pm:

This "race to the bottom" politics is commonly used on much other public opinion

Why don't we ramp up nuclear power and build nuclear reactors at the pace of North Korea ?

Indians can be racist, so why can't WE ?

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Stolen Generations?  Australia's just Sick of hearing about it all the time - GET OVER IT!

As for the abused/neglected kids - put 'em in an Aboriginal Boot Camp so they can learn how to be men and women without all the crap - get some reliable Elders to sort them out...

Could be a section of Aborassic Park... put some of that Abomoney to good use for a change...  (ooooooOOOHHHH!!)