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Reply #30 - Jul 22^nd, 2023 at 7:52pm

Think about this. Several disgruntled nations led by Russia decide to stop using the US dollar. They plan a big conference with lots of media attention, but the leader of the second most powerful country in the world can't go, because he's afraid of being arrested. So he sends one of his lackeys instead.

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Reply #31 - Jul 22^nd, 2023 at 8:34pm

issuevoter wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2023 at 7:52pm:

Think about this. Several disgruntled nations led by Russia decide to stop using the US dollar. They plan a big conference with lots of media attention, but the leader of the second most powerful country in the world can't go, because he's afraid of being arrested. So he sends one of his lackeys instead.

I'm sorry, Issue, that would never happen. Vlad's a can-do leader, the kind of guy who pulls out all stops to get things done, full steam ahead. Can you really imagine him pulling out of the most important event on his global agenda because of some silly Western threat?

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wombatwoody Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3180 Wombat NSW	Re: Russian steamroller totally crushing Ukraine Reply #32 - Jul 27^th, 2023 at 3:06pm Col. Macgregor interviewed two days ago: Ukraine's already been defeated
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Reply #33 - Jul 27^th, 2023 at 8:04pm

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 3:06pm:

Col. Macgregor interviewed two days ago: Ukraine's already been defeated

There's no question that Ukraine has lost a huge amount of territory and many thousands of lives. And they may very well be over-run by the heavily armed Moscovites, but the fat lady is yet to sing. It should be remembered that all this talk of a counter offensive was started by the copy hungry media last winter. It was obvious to anyone there would be a lot of fighting when the ground hardened. Governments and militaries do not announce actual operations ahead of time.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 45888 Gender:	Re: Russian steamroller totally crushing Ukraine Reply #34 - Jul 29^th, 2023 at 3:41pm Ukraine has made two breakthroughs, how they will fare we will see.
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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Russian steamroller totally crushing Ukraine Reply #35 - Jul 29^th, 2023 at 7:05pm Russia has choices. They could end the war today. Ukraine has no choice, and never did. At the moment, they are not attacking Russia. So, if they get to the point where Ukraine defeat is inevitable, I think I'd move out of Moscow.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10910 armidale Gender:	Re: Russian steamroller totally crushing Ukraine Reply #36 - Jul 29^th, 2023 at 7:42pm The barbarian Ukrainian wheat-crushers will flatten Moscow. https://www.businessinsider.com/ukrainian-farmer-mine-sweeping-tractor-wrecked-r...
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Marla Gold Member Offline Weed is my Jesus Posts: 13494 Colorado Gender:	Re: Russian steamroller totally crushing Ukraine Reply #37 - Jul 30^th, 2023 at 4:23am wombatwoody wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 3:06pm: Col. Macgregor interviewed two days ago: Ukraine's already been defeated Still taking RuZZian propaganda dick up the shitshooter, eh, Dingbatstupidity?
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Reply #38 - Jul 30^th, 2023 at 8:26am

issuevoter wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 8:04pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 3:06pm:

Col. Macgregor interviewed two days ago: Ukraine's already been defeated

There's no question that Ukraine has lost a huge amount of territory and many thousands of lives. And they may very well be over-run by the heavily armed Moscovites, but the fat lady is yet to sing. It should be remembered that all this talk of a counter offensive was started by the copy hungry media last winter. It was obvious to anyone there would be a lot of fighting when the ground hardened. Governments and militaries do not announce actual operations ahead of time.

Biden’s making a lot of money out of pretty much a civil war.

His govt advisors also manufacture armaments.

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Marla Gold Member Offline Weed is my Jesus Posts: 13494 Colorado Gender:	Re: Russian steamroller totally crushing Ukraine Reply #39 - Jul 30^th, 2023 at 8:50am Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 8:26am: Biden’s making a lot of money out of pretty much a civil war. His govt advisors also manufacture armaments. Fu*king retard. Look for employment.
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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Russian steamroller totally crushing Ukraine Reply #40 - Jul 30^th, 2023 at 8:55am I am not convinced Ukraine can win this war, it is fabulously expensive, but here is what the Russian "Steamroller" costs. Putin lovers will not be able to sit through this one.
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Reply #41 - Jul 30^th, 2023 at 10:13am

The war costs nothing. Putin is not paying and is doing OK.
The Navalny FBK investigation estimated the cost of Putin's palace to be over 100 billion rubles (US$956 million) at 2022 prices. Russian people don't know nothing, don't own Russia and never have. Chinese cash for Russian oil is no-one's business.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95255 Gender:	Re: Russian steamroller totally crushing Ukraine Reply #42 - Jul 30^th, 2023 at 4:35pm chimera wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 10:13am: The war costs nothing. There you go, Issue, you listen to JaSin. Case closed.
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Reply #43 - Jul 30^th, 2023 at 4:54pm

'Even more important than what Russia’s “growth” really means, however, is the fact that the Kremlin’s figures cannot be trusted. That’s because Russia has made statistics a central part of its information war'.

Vlad's special nazi blitz is going to plan, no Russians are harmed and Joe will surrender.

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Reply #44 - Jul 30^th, 2023 at 5:08pm

The only way this can end is with Ukraine surrendering Crimea and the southern/southeastern oblasts to Russia, similar to the deal Finland had to take with Stalin.

The only question is: how to take the deal and not have it look like a Ukrainian capitulation?

The only answer: after a long stalemate and when both sides lose the will and the resources to continue.

I'd bet the West will end the supply of military materiel to Ukraine when Russia has exhausted all options other than nuclear - forcing a ceasefire and stalemate.

Ukraine may get to keep any territory it can recapture and hold in its current counter-offensive. After that, it's farewell to southern Ukraine.

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