Australian Politics Forum - Russian steamroller totally crushing Ukraine

Marla

Gold Member

Offline

Weed is my Jesus

Posts: 13494
Colorado
Gender: female

Re: Russian steamroller totally crushing Ukraine
Reply #45 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 3:08am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 5:08pm:

The only way this can end is with Ukraine surrendering Crimea and the southern/southeastern oblasts to Russia, similar to the deal Finland had to take with Stalin.

The only question is: how to take the deal and not have it look like a Ukrainian capitulation?

The only answer: after a long stalemate and when both sides lose the will and the resources to continue.

I'd bet the West will end the supply of military materiel to Ukraine when Russia has exhausted all options other than nuclear - forcing a ceasefire and stalemate.

Ukraine may get to keep any territory it can recapture and hold in its current counter-offensive. After that, it's farewell to southern Ukraine.

Shut the fu*k up, stupid hippie

Back to top

I know progress has no patience but something's got to give

IP Logged

JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5470 Gender:	Re: Russian steamroller totally crushing Ukraine Reply #46 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 4:28am marla is just an alt account rite like what kind of weirdo american would hang out on this hole what an unpleasant person
Back to top	IP Logged

aquascoot

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 34305
Gender: male

Re: Russian steamroller totally crushing Ukraine
Reply #47 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 5:21am

its a well known fact that marla is a fat 60 yo white male who works at the DMV and has a boss who rodes his ass.

he is angry and frustrated but too scared to act out in his workplace, so he creates a fake persona (hip young female leftie ) and gets to vent on the internet

its incredibly common.

probably got banned from twitter and FB and so has to seek out fringe sites

very much a walter mitty and a cautionary tale

Back to top

IP Logged

Marla Gold Member Offline Weed is my Jesus Posts: 13494 Colorado Gender:	Re: Russian steamroller totally crushing Ukraine Reply #48 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 5:24am JC Denton wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 4:28am: marla is just an alt account rite like what kind of weirdo american would hang out on this hole what an unpleasant person Awww, you offended, hippie?
Back to top	I know progress has no patience but something's got to give IP Logged

Marla Gold Member Offline Weed is my Jesus Posts: 13494 Colorado Gender:	Re: Russian steamroller totally crushing Ukraine Reply #49 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 5:39am Anyhoo, this is great. More and more dead RuZZians are on the way! Keep on sending them and Ukraine will keep on slaughtering them
Back to top	I know progress has no patience but something's got to give IP Logged

issuevoter

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 9200
The Great State of Mind
Gender: male

Re: Russian steamroller totally crushing Ukraine
Reply #50 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 11:25am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 5:08pm:

The only way this can end is with Ukraine surrendering Crimea and the southern/southeastern oblasts to Russia, similar to the deal Finland had to take with Stalin.

The only question is: how to take the deal and not have it look like a Ukrainian capitulation?

The only answer: after a long stalemate and when both sides lose the will and the resources to continue.

I'd bet the West will end the supply of military materiel to Ukraine when Russia has exhausted all options other than nuclear - forcing a ceasefire and stalemate.

Ukraine may get to keep any territory it can recapture and hold in its current counter-offensive. After that, it's farewell to southern Ukraine.

It certainly looks that way, but I wouldn't put money on it.

One of the things that makes reading a lot of members stuff pointless, is that they tend to post outcomes they hope for, outcomes that suit their prejudice. The classic was when Greg predicted Hillary Clinton would defeat Trump by a huge margin. There was no indication, other than wishful-thinking.

Back to top

No political allegiance. No philosophy. No religion.

IP Logged

chimera

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 10917
armidale
Gender: male

Re: Russian steamroller totally crushing Ukraine
Reply #51 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 11:30am

Putin's boys keep talking about nukes. Hitler did and wanted Paris to burn. But nukes aren't cheap.
'The Manhattan Project involved the labor of some 500,000 people, nearly 1% of the entire US civilian labor force and $2bn. By comparison, the Nazi Uranverein nuke was budgeted US$2 million, one-thousandth of the American expenditure'.

The US used them and Hitler would have. Equality in nuke capability probably makes a difference.

Back to top

IP Logged

issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Russian steamroller totally crushing Ukraine Reply #52 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 4:01pm We know now, the Axis had no chance of developing a nuclear weapon.
Back to top	No political allegiance. No philosophy. No religion. IP Logged

MeisterEckhart

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 11804
Gender: male

Re: Russian steamroller totally crushing Ukraine
Reply #53 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 4:15pm

issuevoter wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 11:25am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 5:08pm:

The only way this can end is with Ukraine surrendering Crimea and the southern/southeastern oblasts to Russia, similar to the deal Finland had to take with Stalin.

The only question is: how to take the deal and not have it look like a Ukrainian capitulation?

The only answer: after a long stalemate and when both sides lose the will and the resources to continue.

I'd bet the West will end the supply of military materiel to Ukraine when Russia has exhausted all options other than nuclear - forcing a ceasefire and stalemate.

Ukraine may get to keep any territory it can recapture and hold in its current counter-offensive. After that, it's farewell to southern Ukraine.

It certainly looks that way, but I wouldn't put money on it.

I would.

It's not like Russia is going to pack up and move to the Bahamas after this is over.

They will remain neighbours and, like Stalin's Soviet Union before this, the Russians are going to need an outcome they can live with. Defeat and humiliation cannot happen - that would destabilise the entirety of Central Asia,

And, given even Navalny has little respect for Ukrainian sovereignty, this Ukrainian 'desertion' (as the Russians may imagine it) will remain in the Russian psyche for generations.

Back to top

IP Logged

chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 10917 armidale Gender:	Re: Russian steamroller totally crushing Ukraine Reply #54 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 4:16pm There was substantial support by US Germans for nazism. In 1945 the US had solved the uranium fuel problem and some among the massive labour team were Germanic who could have spied. But by then Germany's industry was gone.
Back to top	IP Logged

MeisterEckhart

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 11804
Gender: male

Re: Russian steamroller totally crushing Ukraine
Reply #55 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 4:21pm

chimera wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 4:16pm:

There was substantial support by US Germans for nazism. In 1945 the US had solved the uranium fuel problem and some among the massive labour team were Germanic who could have spied. But by then Germany's industry was gone.

Those Germans on the Manhatten Project were nearly all Jews,

And by the time they had developed the bomb, Germany had surrendered,

Back to top

IP Logged

chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 10917 armidale Gender:	Re: Russian steamroller totally crushing Ukraine Reply #56 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 4:32pm They missed by 3 months. So it was the jet fighters which surprised the Yanks and not a wonder weapon mit sparken und flasch fur die kaput.
Back to top	« Last Edit: Jul 31^st, 2023 at 4:51pm by chimera » IP Logged

Marla Gold Member Offline Weed is my Jesus Posts: 13494 Colorado Gender:	Re: Russian steamroller totally crushing Ukraine Reply #57 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 10:57pm This is great. RuZZia is ripping itself apart.
Back to top	I know progress has no patience but something's got to give IP Logged

issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Russian steamroller totally crushing Ukraine Reply #58 - Aug 4^th, 2023 at 7:33am chimera wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 4:32pm: They missed by 3 months. So it was the jet fighters which surprised the Yanks and not a wonder weapon mit sparken und flasch fur die kaput. German jets did not surprise anyone. The allies were working on them at the same time.
Back to top	No political allegiance. No philosophy. No religion. IP Logged

JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5470 Gender:	Re: Russian steamroller totally crushing Ukraine Reply #59 - Aug 4^th, 2023 at 7:34am marla and issuevoter competing for the gold medal in the coper sweepstakes
Back to top	IP Logged