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Reply #90 - Aug 23rd, 2023 at 4:57pm
 
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The bottom line is that Putin is creating a Fascist state, and none of us, even the most contrary, would want to live under those conditions.


hyperbolic bullsh1t

there's nothing remotely fascistic or even particularly ideological about the kremlins

they're boomer ijustwanttogrillists (probably like you), more than anything resembling hitler or mussolini

and speak for your f_ckin self huh
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Reply #91 - Aug 23rd, 2023 at 5:20pm
 
I love visiting the garden BBQ at The Main Cathedral of the Russian Armed Forces (Cathedral of the Resurrection of Christ; Russian: Главный храм Вооружённых сил России (Храм Воскресения Христова) a lavish Russian Patriarchal cathedral in honour of the Resurrection of Christ and "dedicated to the 75th anniversary of victory in the Great Patriotic War, as well as the military feats of the Russian people in all wars". Dear V Putin, comrade and griller, had his face painted in a mural there with the angels and the Lord of Holy Russia. He kindly looks after hell.
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Reply #92 - Aug 23rd, 2023 at 9:27pm
 
how is your padded cell today
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Reply #93 - Aug 24th, 2023 at 1:37am
 
Thank you, it's comfortable with carpet underlay and our new mattress underlay. Putin has some too, no doubt.
Navalny was inciting and financing extremism, creating an illegal NGO, the rehabilitation of Nazism, and inciting children to dangerous acts. Navalny can only see family once a year and receive one parcel each year. He will be forbidden from talking to fellow inmates. Convicts are led around the prison with their heads bent down and are only allowed to take occasional walks inside a closed courtyard. His treatment will continue for 19 years in an unpadded cell.
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Reply #94 - Aug 30th, 2023 at 8:03pm
 
JC Denton wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 4:57pm:
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The bottom line is that Putin is creating a Fascist state, and none of us, even the most contrary, would want to live under those conditions.


hyperbolic bullsh1t

there's nothing remotely fascistic or even particularly ideological about the kremlins

they're boomer ijustwanttogrillists (probably like you), more than anything resembling hitler or mussolini

and speak for your f_ckin self huh


Exactly. What's wrong with Fascism? The Volkswagen, the autobahn, great industrialists like IG. They certainly make the trains run on time, no?

You're right, JC. The whole white-nationalist Kremlin shtick is just a front for a kleptocracy with its hands on the skim. Pretending to be the autocratic social conservative alternative to Western liberal democracy is just a bit of fun.

After all, Vlad's also seeking to prise away the tinted races of the BRIC from their former colonial European masters. Sure, Adolf pioneered such pragmatic alliances by going in with the Japs and deploying the Muselman against the Jew, but he stayed true to Nazi ideology by tearing up his friendship pact with the USSR and invading the communist Slavs.

In some ways, Vlad has done the same, but in the opposite direction. However, he has isolated and weakened Russia in the process. By invading Western-leaning Ukraine, Vlad's cut Russia off from Europe and America, and in so doing, he's placed the Ruski Mir under the thumb of Xi. Russia no longer controls the toll gate between East and West. Vlad's stuck hawking cheap oil to India and Chi-na and watching the Soviet satelites along the old Silk Road fold into Xi's belt and road. Vlad is left bowing down before Xi as Russia's only means of survival.

Just think, it all could have been so beautiful. Russia in charge of BRIC, Wagner deployed in whatever whatever far-flung African or Middle Eastern country you want to skim and the IT/propaganda capability to hack, skew and influence elections all over the planet.

There was a time when Vlad had kompromat on a US president for God's sake. If he didn't like a foreign political candidate, he just had to hack and leak her emails. But no, Vlad had to go off, invade Ukraine and bring the whole thing crashing down.

It's hubris like this that fucks with your entire vision of an authoritarian utopia, JC, but it's a flaw built into the model itself. Like Hitler and Mussolini before him, Vlad's nationalist authoritarianism has brought his empire down. This is the problem with autocratic regimes. The very thing you give them credit for - hierarchy, strong leadership, a chain of command, order and control - inevitably weighs them down and, like Icarus, leads to their fall when they fly too close to the sun.

Western democracy has survived as long as it has because it's flexible enough to yield to just enough popular consent. This is why Vlad can't possibly defeat Ukraine: he would need to subdue an entire population, a population that's already staged a revolution, ousted a Russian puppet government and experienced a rush of popular nationalism. 

Vlad has succeeded in Russia, on the other hand, because he exercised control gradually, in increments, and took the mass media with him. He also provided economic carrots and sticks to the right economic players and social/political classes.

But he stopped listening, and this has led to his downfall. He came to believe in his own PR, his infallibility, but also Russia's. A resource economy can't survive without export markets. Russia relies on foreign powers for its own economic survival. This is the one thing your own isolationist white nationalist instinct always ignores: the global economy is integrated. This is not an ideological construct, but an economic reality.

The authoritarian nationalist instinct inevitably results in the kind of destiny Vlad has invoked for Russia. Fascism can only lead, as Hitler and Mussolini found, to counter invasion and suicide, or as Franco found, to a form of social/economic paralysis. The USSR suffered the latter fate. Vlad's regime is yet to collapse, but we all know it will.

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Reply #95 - Aug 31st, 2023 at 6:00am
 
JC Denton wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 9:27pm:
how is your padded cell today



How's your psychiatric medication today?
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Reply #96 - Aug 31st, 2023 at 6:14am
 
Marla wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 6:00am:
JC Denton wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 9:27pm:
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How's your psychiatric medication today?


Hi Marla,
How's your pot hunting going?
Got any good stuff lately worth boasting about?
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Reply #97 - Aug 31st, 2023 at 6:35am
 
Say Blooby, how the job hunting going for you?
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Reply #98 - Aug 31st, 2023 at 7:58am
 
Marla wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 6:35am:
Say Blooby, how the job hunting going for you?




Have you got an opening at the DMV Walter Mitty
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Reply #99 - Aug 31st, 2023 at 11:59am
 
JC Denton wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 4:57pm:
the kremlins

, more than anything resembling hitler or mussolini

Ukraine probably won't need to attack every Russian trench and tank. There may be a tipping point where Crimea is under credible threat of blockade. Putin could then be discredited and the next Tsar bops him off. That point may be at hand.
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Reply #100 - Aug 31st, 2023 at 4:10pm
 
Putin thought Crimea could be part of Russia, his Russia, which is basically Moscow and St Pete. He did have the history of Catherine to back up his claim, but he didn't have legal way, because his USSR made it part of Ukraine. So he took Crimea by force and began a campaign of denying any sovereignty to Ukraine at all. So far so good.

Crimea is handy stategically, but it is also meant to be a part of Russia with a civilian population, industry, agriculture and tourism. These things are no longer working and people are leaving. So it will have to be a fortress, but that's a target which Ukraine is not going to stop lobbing munitions into.

The only way Russians will get to use Crimea is by the complete defeat of Ukraine, and right now, the US is talking about long range missiles.
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Reply #101 - Aug 31st, 2023 at 4:16pm
 
Putin's bridge is shot up. With the roads blocked, so is his army.
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Reply #102 - Sep 1st, 2023 at 12:16am
 
Marla wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 6:35am:
Say Blooby, how the job hunting going for you?


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Reply #103 - Sep 3rd, 2023 at 4:28pm
 
A big deal. Ukraine has just crossed the strongest Russian mine-field and trenches.  Putin has told school-kids that Russia is invincible but there is a small correction to his word .
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Reply #104 - Sep 5th, 2023 at 11:42am
 
Two more Russian defence lines have been crossed. Putin is not worried as his info is that Kyiv Nazis are begging to surender.
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