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Re: Vote No
Reply #15 - Jun 25^th, 2023 at 10:17pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 10:11pm:

Whoah! Hang on there. I did not say that I would be voting "no" in the referendum. I have been saying that I know that the "no" vote will win. And I know that the "no" vote will win because of these reasons....

Just kidding. I will be voting "no". Unless I read through the proposal and find that voting "yes" will save a lot of Australian taxpayer money in funding cuts to indigenous people.

You, Brian, have not made any statements to say what the "yes" vote will bring about in changes for the indigenous people.

They might get a fairer deal out of society, Unsub. No guarantee but they might get a fairer deal. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #16 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 10:51am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 10:17pm:

They might get a fairer deal out of society, Unsub. No guarantee but they might get a fairer deal. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Well, if the Voice to Parliament means that indigenous people will lose special privileges, then I can support that. Bring all services and payments that indigenous people get in line with the rest of the Australian community.

Btw, every time you go "tsk, tsk, tsk", it reminds me of the ending of New Order's "Blue Monday" intro.

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Reply #17 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 11:07am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 10:17pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 10:11pm:

Whoah! Hang on there. I did not say that I would be voting "no" in the referendum. I have been saying that I know that the "no" vote will win. And I know that the "no" vote will win because of these reasons....

Just kidding. I will be voting "no". Unless I read through the proposal and find that voting "yes" will save a lot of Australian taxpayer money in funding cuts to indigenous people.

You, Brian, have not made any statements to say what the "yes" vote will bring about in changes for the indigenous people.

They might get a fairer deal out of society, Unsub. No guarantee but they might get a fairer deal. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

A fairer deal? ... what a bland nothing statement.

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Reply #18 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 11:15am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 10:08pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 10:05pm:

You are not actually adding anything of value to the debate, Brian. How about a counterpoint from time to time?

What would be the point of that, Unsub? Matty has already decided to vote no, you have decided to vote no. All those that want to vote yes will vote yes, without any need for me to convince them. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

So why are you here, then, yapping?

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25012 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Vote No Reply #19 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 11:16am Thank you, Gnads. You spotted Brian's error that I did not see. Brian, that was non-committal in your answer. You should have stated what the "yes" campaigners definitely want to achieve as an outcome. Not what they "might get" from the referendum being passed.
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Reply #20 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 3:00pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 11:16am:

Thank you, Gnads. You spotted Brian's error that I did not see.

Brian, that was non-committal in your answer. You should have stated what the "yes" campaigners definitely want to achieve as an outcome. Not what they "might get" from the referendum being passed.

You asked, "You, Brian, have not made any statements to say what the "yes" vote will bring about in changes for the indigenous people. " Which was a personal opinion. I am not a legal expert nor an expert on "Racial" matters, I am an ordinary citizen, Unsub, just as you are. I have my opinion, just as you and Gnads do. I am pro-Indigenous people who have IMO a rough deal over the decades since settlement. You and Gnads and others may deny that but would you be willing to put on their shoes and live their lives in blackface? I suspect not. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #21 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 3:02pm

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 11:15am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 10:08pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 10:05pm:

You are not actually adding anything of value to the debate, Brian. How about a counterpoint from time to time?

What would be the point of that, Unsub? Matty has already decided to vote no, you have decided to vote no. All those that want to vote yes will vote yes, without any need for me to convince them. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

So why are you here, then, yapping?

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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5471 Gender:	Re: Vote No Reply #22 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 3:22pm i might vote yes as a form of accelerationism things have to get worse before they can get better
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Reply #23 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 3:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 3:00pm:

You and Gnads and others may deny that but would you be willing to put on their shoes and live their lives in blackface? I suspect not. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

One guy I knew had ticked the indigenous box on a form at the hospital. He was seen by a medical professional 5 minutes later. He basically skipped the queue that would have taken him at least a 30-minute wait.

People have ticked the box for indigenous status for job network organisations. They get prioritised employment opportunities. My job network member asked me if I identified as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander. I said "no". Then I asked, "how many people that look like me identify as Aboriginal?". His response was "quite a few". Obviously, there are people ticking the box to claim aboriginal status. I have known about this problem, since that Sri Lankan guy claimed that he was aboriginal, back in the early 1990s.

I don't have to blackface myself at all. I just have to claim aboriginal status. And although I will get criticism for racial appropriation, I will also get a boost to my socioeconomic living conditions.

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Reply #24 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 3:42pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 3:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 3:00pm:

You and Gnads and others may deny that but would you be willing to put on their shoes and live their lives in blackface? I suspect not. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

One guy I knew had ticked the indigenous box on a form at the hospital. He was seen by a medical professional 5 minutes later. He basically skipped the queue that would have taken him at least a 30-minute wait.

People have ticked the box for indigenous status for job network organisations. They get prioritised employment opportunities. My job network member asked me if I identified as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander. I said "no". Then I asked, "how many people that look like me identify as Aboriginal?". His response was "quite a few". Obviously, there are people ticking the box to claim aboriginal status. I have known about this problem, since that Sri Lankan guy claimed that he was aboriginal, back in the early 1990s.

I don't have to blackface myself at all. I just have to claim aboriginal status. And although I will get criticism for racial appropriation, I will also get a boost to my socioeconomic living conditions.

Or so you believe, Unsub. If you are convinced, go for it. Of course you'll have to sell your soul while you're at it, now won't you? Just think of the intrusion of the authorities into your private life. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #25 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 3:43pm

JC Denton wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 3:22pm:

i might vote yes as a form of accelerationism

things have to get worse before they can get better

The referendum vote will be anywhere from September to December this year. The fierce debate will rage over the next few months. But, ultimately, this will incite people to question whether or not indigenous people are getting treated too favourably in modern Australian life. Then, the proposal will be made that we get rid of racially biased programs and keep the indigenous social and welfare programs on par with the rest of the Australians' social and welfare programs.

I can't wait for the referendum to be done. Reckon we might start saving $30 billion a year, from here onwards. The Aborigines can threaten to riot all they like -- and I hope they don't -- to try and bring special treatment of their affirmative action programs. But, I would say that it is time to give equal treatment to all Australians.

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Reply #26 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 3:51pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 3:42pm:

Or so you believe, Unsub. If you are convinced, go for it. Of course you'll have to sell your soul while you're at it, now won't you? Just think of the intrusion of the authorities into your private life. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I was challenged to wear an indigenous t-shirt for a while and see how far I could get through the day. I went out shopping with the t-shirt prominently displayed. I got a few dirty looks from some people. Then I walked by a couple of indigenous people who spotted the t-shirt on a white guy. Word got around. And I was followed by a few indigenous people. One guy said that I was "brave" in a sardonic tone. But, he seemed okay with me. Never wore that shirt again and gave it back to the person who loaned me the shirt.

Dad would give me hell if I started identifying as indigenous. I have an indigenous daughter, who did identify as indigenous. But, she is nearly as white as me. Does she count as indigenous, when she has blonde hair?

Authorities won't hassle me. In fact, they might technically be required to give me a free pass.

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Reply #27 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 4:12pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 3:43pm:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 3:22pm:

i might vote yes as a form of accelerationism

things have to get worse before they can get better

The referendum vote will be anywhere from September to December this year. The fierce debate will rage over the next few months. But, ultimately, this will incite people to question whether or not indigenous people are getting treated too favourably in modern Australian life. Then, the proposal will be made that we get rid of racially biased programs and keep the indigenous social and welfare programs on par with the rest of the Australians' social and welfare programs.

I can't wait for the referendum to be done. Reckon we might start saving $30 billion a year, from here onwards. The Aborigines can threaten to riot all they like -- and I hope they don't -- to try and bring special treatment of their affirmative action programs. But, I would say that it is time to give equal treatment to all Australians.

it will not do any such thing

it will just focus on why the voice will be bad, if no succeeds then things will just continue as they always have

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Reply #28 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 4:18pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 3:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 3:42pm:

Or so you believe, Unsub. If you are convinced, go for it. Of course you'll have to sell your soul while you're at it, now won't you? Just think of the intrusion of the authorities into your private life. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I was challenged to wear an indigenous t-shirt for a while and see how far I could get through the day. I went out shopping with the t-shirt prominently displayed. I got a few dirty looks from some people. Then I walked by a couple of indigenous people who spotted the t-shirt on a white guy. Word got around. And I was followed by a few indigenous people. One guy said that I was "brave" in a sardonic tone. But, he seemed okay with me. Never wore that shirt again and gave it back to the person who loaned me the shirt.

Oh, so brave of you, Unsub. So brave and in Queensland too. How about you do for an extended period and of course, you'd have to dye your skin as well, just to get you into the mood and have the desired reaction from you're fellow White Fellas, hey?

Then get back to us, OK?

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Dad would give me hell if I started identifying as indigenous. I have an indigenous daughter, who did identify as indigenous. But, she is nearly as white as me. Does she count as indigenous, when she has blonde hair?

Does it matter? Really? It is what her ancestry is telling her that is important and of could how her compatriots are treating her. Perhaps she has bad experiences to relate to you? I know I would like to be treated the way you treat Black Fellas, now would I?

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Authorities won't hassle me. In fact, they might technically be required to give me a free pass.

You really do live in a fantasy world, don't you, Unsub? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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SadKangaroo Gold Member Offline #FightStupid Posts: 17278 Mianjin (Brisbane)	Re: Vote No Reply #29 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 5:02pm Not all No votes are racist, but all racists will vote No.
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