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Reply #165 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:25pm  
no is probably going to win

i assumed otherwise when this was first proposed

seems most people are not interested in this highly bureaucratic and confusing proposal
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Reply #166 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:30pm  
JC Denton wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:25pm:
no is probably going to win

i assumed otherwise when this was first proposed

seems most people are not interested in this highly bureaucratic and confusing proposal



Correct, but because all previous efforts to close the gap have failed, the Yes voters are hoping the voice will magically change things - it won't, because fixing 'housing, education, jobs, and health' requires extra funding from government.

Problem is most people want to close the gap; yet (apart from education which is compulsory) the government can't even fix those things for all the non-black population.
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Reply #167 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:31pm  
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Yet the proponents of the voice are saying the voice will assist in closing the gap, therefore voice has everything to dowith closing the gap.


The proponents, especially the Minister, have to face a barrage of questions coming from many angles. She has to mouth something, even if it is fluff.

Bottom line is...The Voice is a Constitutional recognition and allows the Abos to select Reps to go sit in a corner and have a talk fest.  If they are happy with that (and they should be because they asked for it).....who are we to stand in the way?
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Reply #168 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:42pm  
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:30pm:
JC Denton wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:25pm:
no is probably going to win

i assumed otherwise when this was first proposed

seems most people are not interested in this highly bureaucratic and confusing proposal



Correct, but because all previous efforts to close the gap have failed, the Yes voters are hoping the voice will magically change things - it won't, because fixing 'housing, education, jobs, and health' requires extra funding from government.

Problem is most people want to close the gap; yet (apart from education which is compulsory) the government can't even fix those things for all the non-black population.


i know a sure fire way to close the gap Wink
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Reply #169 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:48pm  
Aussie wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:31pm:
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Yet the proponents of the voice are saying the voice will assist in closing the gap, therefore voice has everything to dowith closing the gap.


The proponents, especially the Minister, have to face a barrage of questions coming from many angles. She has to mouth something, even if it is fluff.


Saying the nation needs to fix 'housing, education, jobs, and health' is NOT "fluff".

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Bottom line is...The Voice is a Constitutional recognition and allows the Abos to select Reps to go sit in a corner and have a talk fest. 


...in the hope that the voice will show the  government how to  fix the above-mentioned (black) calamities.

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  If they are happy with that (and they should be because they asked for it).....who are we to stand in the way?


No they won't be happy with it, even if they get it, because the voice won't create the funding to fix 'housing, education, jobs, and health', in the absence of a fundamental change in the current monetary system which pits taxpayers against taxpayers, while Lowe - who insists he did not fund government during the Covid shut- downs (he should have) is practising his gruesome  neoclassical economics, and ruining the lives of people who bought overpriced housing based on his wrong narrative re future interest rates. 

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Reply #170 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:51pm  
JC Denton wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:42pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:30pm:
JC Denton wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:25pm:
no is probably going to win

i assumed otherwise when this was first proposed

seems most people are not interested in this highly bureaucratic and confusing proposal



Correct, but because all previous efforts to close the gap have failed, the Yes voters are hoping the voice will magically change things - it won't, because fixing 'housing, education, jobs, and health' requires extra funding from government.

Problem is most people want to close the gap; yet (apart from education which is compulsory) the government can't even fix those things for all the non-black population.


i know a sure fire way to close the gap Wink


Don't be shy - you could become famous....
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Reply #171 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 6:21pm  
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:48pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:31pm:
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Yet the proponents of the voice are saying the voice will assist in closing the gap, therefore voice has everything to dowith closing the gap.


The proponents, especially the Minister, have to face a barrage of questions coming from many angles. She has to mouth something, even if it is fluff.


Saying the nation needs to fix 'housing, education, jobs, and health' is NOT "fluff".

Quote:
Bottom line is...The Voice is a Constitutional recognition and allows the Abos to select Reps to go sit in a corner and have a talk fest. 


...in the hope that the voice will show the  government how to  fix the above-mentioned (black) calamities.

Quote:
  If they are happy with that (and they should be because they asked for it).....who are we to stand in the way?


No they won't be happy with it, even if they get it, because the voice won't create the funding to fix 'housing, education, jobs, and health', in the absence of a fundamental change in the current monetary system which pits taxpayers against taxpayers, while Lowe - who insists he did not fund government during the Covid shut- downs (he should have) is practising his gruesome  neoclassical economics, and ruining the lives of people who bought overpriced housing based on his wrong narrative re future interest rates. 



Well....it was asked for and it is being proposed.  Whether it works.......well..........nothing lost in the attempt.
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Reply #172 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 6:30pm  
Aussie wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 6:21pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:48pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:31pm:
Quote:
Yet the proponents of the voice are saying the voice will assist in closing the gap, therefore voice has everything to dowith closing the gap.


The proponents, especially the Minister, have to face a barrage of questions coming from many angles. She has to mouth something, even if it is fluff.


Saying the nation needs to fix 'housing, education, jobs, and health' is NOT "fluff".

Quote:
Bottom line is...The Voice is a Constitutional recognition and allows the Abos to select Reps to go sit in a corner and have a talk fest. 


...in the hope that the voice will show the  government how to  fix the above-mentioned (black) calamities.

Quote:
  If they are happy with that (and they should be because they asked for it).....who are we to stand in the way?


No they won't be happy with it, even if they get it, because the voice won't create the funding to fix 'housing, education, jobs, and health', in the absence of a fundamental change in the current monetary system which pits taxpayers against taxpayers, while Lowe - who insists he did not fund government during the Covid shut- downs (he should have) is practising his gruesome  neoclassical economics, and ruining the lives of people who bought overpriced housing based on his wrong narrative re future interest rates. 



Well....it was asked for and it is being proposed.  Whether it works.......well..........nothing lost in the attempt.


I'm looking ahead; the nation has to close the gap, regardless of the referendum outcome.

I intend to promote a Job Guarantee - Noel Pearson is on board, he mentioned it in one of his Boyer lectures.

https://pavlina-tcherneva.net/the-case-for-a-job-guarantee/
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Reply #173 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 6:59pm  
Aussie wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 4:25pm:
Belgarion wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 4:12pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 2:39pm:
It does not matter who is on The Voice, including noisy Mayos.  The Voice has no compulsive power, nada, nothing.

It will sit in a corner of Parliament House and can demand to get hold of your Super....demand payment of rent/reparations.......whatever........and be ignored.

What part of that do you NOT understand?


What part of the agenda espoused by Mayo and his ilk don't you understand? You really think that this will be a powerless body that will be ignored?  Your naivete is manifest.  Roll Eyes


I 'understand' all the crap 'Mayo and his ilk' have muttered, but it is all off the Planet 'shoot for the Moon' garbage.  Just bullshit, and if you ever took the time to read what Dreyfus said in his speech during the second reading of the Bill, you'd know exactly how impotent The Voice is, and how irrelevant Mayo et al are.

The Voice is NOT the Abos lift to Nirvana, the pot of gold at rainbow's end.  (Even that Blak moron Lydia is well aware of that and for that reason, she opposes it.)

It is just a nod to a request they made to be able to select Reps to go sit in a corner of Parliament House, call themselves The Voice, have wet dreams or dry humps, and send up smoke signals of what they reckon. 

All smoke.....and can be ignored by Parliament, Government and the Executive.

Is there any of that you dispute.  If so, explain yourself.


You understand nothing, if only for the reason that there is no detail on exactly what powers this 'voice' will have. You may believe it will be a bunch of aboriginals sitting in the corner and being ignored, but there is no evidence that this will be the case. 
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Reply #174 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 7:02pm  
Belgarion wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 6:59pm:
if only for the reason that there is no detail on exactly what powers this 'voice' will have.



crap

How many times do you have to be told? It is an advisory board only and the govt is free to ignore the advice or act on it, in full or in part,  as it sees fit. Govt is in no way obligated to act on any advice received.
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Reply #175 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 7:33pm  
It will never be enough:












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Sky News host Amanda Stoker says the lead advocate on the Yes campaign for the Voice, Thomas Mayo, was recorded saying he expected the Voice to “get its hands” on superannuation policy while talking to independent MP Zoe Daniel.

“The bloke who designed the Voice ... wants a practical veto on super policy because remember, Mr Albanese said it would be ‘a brave government’ that didn't do as the Voice says,” Ms Stoker said.

“That’s not democracy. So, it’s time for the government to come clean. How much power will the Voice have over your retirement savings?

“Teal MPs like Zoe Daniel, as well as Labor, have a lot of explaining to do.”
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Reply #176 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 7:55pm  
If this was actually about electing or even appointing an Aboriginal board of advisers, Parliament could do it tomorrow. But that is not good enough for the Labor Party. You will be voting to make sure the Constitution allows parliament a free hand in make-up and powers. And these same people want a Republic? As if such a loose Constitutional amendment will lead to a more democratic society?
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Reply #177 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 7:58pm  
issuevoter wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 7:55pm:
If this was actually about electing or even appointing an Aboriginal board of advisers, Parliament could do it tomorrow. But that is not good enough for the Labor Party. You will be voting to make sure the Constitution allows parliament a free hand in make-up and powers.


And then.....when some other Government gets in power and the sh
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it can remove 'it.'

That's the whole point, you idiot!  To put it in the Constitution so as Governments come and go...it remains.

FMD.

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Reply #178 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 8:07pm  
Aussie wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 7:58pm:
issuevoter wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 7:55pm:
If this was actually about electing or even appointing an Aboriginal board of advisers, Parliament could do it tomorrow. But that is not good enough for the Labor Party. You will be voting to make sure the Constitution allows parliament a free hand in make-up and powers.


And then.....when some other Government gets in power and the sh
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it can remove 'it.'

That's the whole point, you idiot!  To put it in the Constitution so as Governments come and go...it remains.


You bet its the whole point, but you don't see it. Its a Constitutional precedent giving Parliament a free hand. OK in Australia, but not in Russia.

So what is it about YES voters that they have to insult people who disagree with them on a fundamental change to OUR Constitution. My opinion is a valid as yours. Thats why its called a referendum. You Leftists are so sanctimonious. 

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Reply #179 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 8:27pm  
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Its a Constitutional precedent giving Parliament a free hand.


Explain that.  Dumb it down for me.
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