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Re: Vote No
Reply #45 - Jun 27^th, 2023 at 12:59pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 12:58pm:

Boris wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 8:22am:

Overall support for the Voice has plunged three points to just 43 per cent, according to the latest Newspoll of 2303 voters conducted between June 16 and June 24.

Subsequently the No vote rose four points, to 47 per cent, putting it ahead for the time since Newspoll began tracking support.

Equally alarming for the Yes case is that four of six states are now polling as favouring a No vote.

Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia and Tasmania are all on a trajectory to reject the Voice.

You still don't understand statistics, do you, Matty? Look up, "margin of error" and get back to us. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

four of six states are now polling as favouring a No vote.

Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia and Tasmania are all on a trajectory to reject the Voice.

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Reply #46 - Jun 27^th, 2023 at 1:01pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 8:09am:

People that live in places like Perth would not have much experience with indigenous people. That is why the likes of Brian Ross would support stupid proposals like the Voice to Parliament. He does not seem to understand the implicit nature of voting in the Voice to Parliament would lead to further demands.

How often do non-indigenous Australians get treated like outsiders to their own country? Every sporting event and media outlet seem to be made to acknowledge Australia as belonging to 3% of its population.

You have no idea about my personal life, Unsub. I have not always lived in Perth, indeed I have only lived there for about 15 years. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Boris Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4057 Gender:	Re: Vote No Reply #47 - Jun 27^th, 2023 at 1:02pm Them: "We want to change the constitution in a major way?" Me: "Okay, can you provide details as to how and the benefits?" Them: "Rightwing bigiot, racist, facists, vote yes or you are a nazi"
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42176	Re: Vote No Reply #48 - Jun 27^th, 2023 at 1:09pm
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Reply #49 - Jun 27^th, 2023 at 1:18pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 12:56pm:

You are missing the point, Unsub, perhaos deliberately? The point is how your fellow Racists treat you. As you identify people by their skin/hair colour so do your fellow Racists. When you have experienced that, personally, you might understand an Indigenous person's viewpoint and why they resent you and your fellow Racists. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

No. I am not 'deliberately' missing the point. My fellow racists -- you being one of them -- would treat me as if I had lost my mind. If I announced on OzPol that I was indigenous Australian and had a pro-indigenous Australian outlook on things, you would probably think that I was being a liar.

But that is the point of my argument. People who tick the indigenous box on forms are doing so because they know that they can get special privileges for being part of a minority born in Australia. For myself to announce being an indigenous person, I would get criticism from everywhere by people thinking that I am doing it to get the privileges indigenous people get.

I have seen it quite a lot in my life. People who look white, but claim to be indigenous. Their claims seeming signifying that they are using their race to protect themselves from criticism.

And I don't identify people by their hair or skin colour -- at least not outside of a police line up. I identify them by their character. I would converse with a middle-age woman who had blonde hair and blue eyes. But, it was revealed that she was indigenous Australian. That was okay by me. But, then it went on that she was a racist. She friended me on facebook. But then she unfriended me and blocked me when it turned out that I did not like her aboriginal supremacist views.

Racism is not about being part of a certain race. Racism is about having a certain mindset in regards to racial issues.

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Reply #50 - Jun 27^th, 2023 at 1:24pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 1:01pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 8:09am:

People that live in places like Perth would not have much experience with indigenous people. That is why the likes of Brian Ross would support stupid proposals like the Voice to Parliament. He does not seem to understand the implicit nature of voting in the Voice to Parliament would lead to further demands.

How often do non-indigenous Australians get treated like outsiders to their own country? Every sporting event and media outlet seem to be made to acknowledge Australia as belonging to 3% of its population.

You have no idea about my personal life, Unsub. I have not always lived in Perth, indeed I have only lived there for about 15 years. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Well, the twenty years that I have lived in this suburb has been an eye-opening experience to racism, compared to when I was living over near Lakes Creek. My point is that you don't experience the level of indigenous racism that I have to endure, simply because you live in Perth for the last 15 years.

Had you put up with indigenous racism in recent years, you would have not been posting in favour of continuing indigenous affirmative action, or excusing the behaviour of indigenous people citing history wrongs perpetrated against their ancestors.

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84980 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Vote No Reply #51 - Jun 27^th, 2023 at 4:26pm The Voice is going down, baby... down, down, down......
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Reply #52 - Jun 27^th, 2023 at 4:26pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 12:58pm:

Boris wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 8:22am:

Overall support for the Voice has plunged three points to just 43 per cent, according to the latest Newspoll of 2303 voters conducted between June 16 and June 24.

Subsequently the No vote rose four points, to 47 per cent, putting it ahead for the time since Newspoll began tracking support.

Equally alarming for the Yes case is that four of six states are now polling as favouring a No vote.

Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia and Tasmania are all on a trajectory to reject the Voice.

You still don't understand statistics, do you, Matty? Look up, "margin of error" and get back to us. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You didn't mention that when the YES poll was tottering on the edge of 50% ....

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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5471 Gender:	Re: Vote No Reply #53 - Jun 27^th, 2023 at 5:01pm premature triumphalism. the yes campaign hasnt even started to ramp up their propaganda yet.
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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84980 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Vote No Reply #54 - Jun 27^th, 2023 at 10:36pm JC Denton wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 5:01pm: premature triumphalism. the yes campaign hasnt even started to ramp up their propaganda yet. Only fools listen to propaganda.....
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Reply #55 - Jun 27^th, 2023 at 10:48pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 4:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 12:58pm:

Boris wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 8:22am:

Overall support for the Voice has plunged three points to just 43 per cent, according to the latest Newspoll of 2303 voters conducted between June 16 and June 24.

Subsequently the No vote rose four points, to 47 per cent, putting it ahead for the time since Newspoll began tracking support.

Equally alarming for the Yes case is that four of six states are now polling as favouring a No vote.

Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia and Tasmania are all on a trajectory to reject the Voice.

You still don't understand statistics, do you, Matty? Look up, "margin of error" and get back to us. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You didn't mention that when the YES poll was tottering on the edge of 50% ....

Why should I mention something I know and understand, unlike poor Matty and you, Graps? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #56 - Jul 1^st, 2023 at 11:49am

Inside the Uluru statement, two major accusations are expressed in one pithy sentence: “In 1967 we were counted, in 2017 we seek to be heard.” The Aboriginal leaders who met at Uluru believed their kinsfolk were not even deemed worthy of being counted – until the referendum of 1967 raised their political status. Anthony Albanese himself, while understandably basking in his political honeymoon, affirmed this accusation, and continues to do so in parliament. If true, the accusation is a serious blemish on the Australian nation during the past century and a half. But it is not true.

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The Uluru statement is militant. It offers no sentence of respect or gratitude to the Australian people. Yet it is hailed by Albanese as warm hearted and generous. He even announced in a memorial lecture in Adelaide recently that it was an invitation extended “to every single Australian in love and grace and patience”.

A disciple of Bruce Pascoe, Albanese admires his nonsensical Dark Emu theory. Pascoe believes Aboriginal Australia was the first real democracy in the world and for 80,000 years a haven of peace and prosperity. Albanese believes this utopia – in fact, it never existed – can in some ways be honoured if Indigenous people are compensated with special powers and rights.

Parliament in its recent debate did nothing to validate the Uluru accusation that mainstream Australians had refused for generations even to count Aboriginal people. In fact, these proud people were being counted before any one of us was born.

Geoffrey Blainey
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/before-we-vote-on-indigenous-voice-to-...

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Vote No Reply #57 - Jul 1^st, 2023 at 12:00pm Arsehole Albo is also concurrently and quietly very busy trying to stifle free speech for the rest of us under legislation he is pushing through whilst diverting our attention to Voice issues.
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Reply #58 - Jul 1^st, 2023 at 12:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 10:48pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 4:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 12:58pm:

Boris wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 8:22am:

Overall support for the Voice has plunged three points to just 43 per cent, according to the latest Newspoll of 2303 voters conducted between June 16 and June 24.

Subsequently the No vote rose four points, to 47 per cent, putting it ahead for the time since Newspoll began tracking support.

Equally alarming for the Yes case is that four of six states are now polling as favouring a No vote.

Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia and Tasmania are all on a trajectory to reject the Voice.

You still don't understand statistics, do you, Matty? Look up, "margin of error" and get back to us. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You didn't mention that when the YES poll was tottering on the edge of 50% ....

Why should I mention something I know and understand, unlike poor Matty and you, Graps? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Well - clearly so you can lead the barbarians out of their darkness and into the light of Aboriginal godliness...... it's the Black Man's Burden you know...

Now then - about that margin of error when the polls were saying YES had it right?????

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Reply #59 - Jul 1^st, 2023 at 1:33pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 12:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 10:48pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 4:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 12:58pm:

Boris wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 8:22am:

Overall support for the Voice has plunged three points to just 43 per cent, according to the latest Newspoll of 2303 voters conducted between June 16 and June 24.

Subsequently the No vote rose four points, to 47 per cent, putting it ahead for the time since Newspoll began tracking support.

Equally alarming for the Yes case is that four of six states are now polling as favouring a No vote.

Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia and Tasmania are all on a trajectory to reject the Voice.

You still don't understand statistics, do you, Matty? Look up, "margin of error" and get back to us. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You didn't mention that when the YES poll was tottering on the edge of 50% ....

Why should I mention something I know and understand, unlike poor Matty and you, Graps? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Well - clearly so you can lead the barbarians out of their darkness and into the light of Aboriginal godliness...... it's the Black Man's Burden you know...

Now then - about that margin of error when the polls were saying YES had it right?????

Do your own research. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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