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Reply #75 - Jul 1st, 2023 at 7:35pm  
Just encourage them to fully participate in modern Australia and treat them no different to Irish, Scottish, Sudanese or even Indian (yuck) Australians.
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Reply #76 - Jul 1st, 2023 at 7:38pm  
Gordon wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 7:35pm:
Just encourage them to fully participate in modern Australia and treat them no different to Irish, Scottish, Sudanese or even Indian (yuck) Australians.


So...you want to take Israel away from the Jews so that then the World can finally see them being treated no differently despite them being violently dispossessed from the European homes.

Okay.  Let's see your campaign right here.
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Reply #77 - Jul 1st, 2023 at 7:40pm  
Aussie wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 7:38pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 7:35pm:
Just encourage them to fully participate in modern Australia and treat them no different to Irish, Scottish, Sudanese or even Indian (yuck) Australians.


So...you want to take Israel away from the Jews so that then the World can finally see them being treated no differently despite them being violently dispossessed from the European homes.

Okay.  Let's see your campaign right here.


Give it a go, many have tried.
Taking the Jews out of Israel wouldn't be as easy as pinning a kid to a tree, Aussie.
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Reply #78 - Jul 1st, 2023 at 7:54pm  
Gordon wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 7:40pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 7:38pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 7:35pm:
Just encourage them to fully participate in modern Australia and treat them no different to Irish, Scottish, Sudanese or even Indian (yuck) Australians.


So...you want to take Israel away from the Jews so that then the World can finally see them being treated no differently despite them being violently dispossessed from the European homes.

Okay.  Let's see your campaign right here.


Give it a go, many have tried.
Taking the Jews out of Israel wouldn't be as easy as pinning a kid to a tree, Aussie.


Cute.  But you are okay with the west giving Jews the State of Israel because they had been dispossessed violently by invaders, yes?
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Reply #79 - Jul 1st, 2023 at 8:00pm  
Aussie wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 7:26pm:
Nope.....just give them the token Constitutional acknowledgement via The Voice.  You have not advanced even one argument I have not been able to debunk.  No-one has.

The Voice is not a threat to anyone.  No-one loses anything.


Reasons for voting NO

The Voice is symbolic and would fix no actual disadvantage.
There are multiple Aboriginal voices to all levels of political power already.
There is nothing the Voice can say that all other past and present Aboriginal bodies havent said already.
The Voice adds race to the constitution and enshrines a racial division of Australian citizenship
It could nobble government with endless request for opportunity to advise on every aspect of life since there is no aspect of life that only affects Aborigines
It is the first step to a treaty which would agitate for co-sovereignty. There is no basis for a unified, single Aboriginal sovereignty, and therefore there is nobody the Commonwealth could enter into a treaty with. A Constitutional Voice is the first step on a revisionist rewriting of history on this subject. ("First Nations" were not nations in any sense of the word. It is an anachronistic invention to soften things up for a treaty)
There are hundreds of Aboriginal tribes. None of them has a singular, unified view on all issues affecting them. So it is not possible for any 24 Aborigines to speak for them all.
Aborigines are already recognised as being here before 1788.
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Reply #80 - Jul 1st, 2023 at 8:22pm  
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The Voice is symbolic and would fix no actual disadvantage.


Yep...no disadvantage to anyone especially a fly/sail in like you.

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There are multiple Aboriginal voices to all levels of political power already.


Nope.  There are multiple community based facilities like ATSILS.

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There is nothing the Voice can say that all other past and present Aboriginal bodies havent said already.


Fine...so no skin off your nose to vote for it.

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The Voice adds race to the constitution and enshrines a racial division of Australian citizenship


It has always been there moron.

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It could nobble government with endless request for opportunity to advise on every aspect of life since there is no aspect of life that only affects Aborigines


Yep...smoke signals sent from some corner in Parliament will fuq the place.  Roight.

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It is the first step to a treaty which would agitate for co-sovereignty. There is no basis for a unified, single Aboriginal sovereignty, and therefore there is nobody the Commonwealth could enter into a treaty with.


Well, we will deal with a "Treaty of Waitangi" if that ever arises.  Not even your mate Lydia suggest this is a path to treaty...but...that is not on the table at all.

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A Constitutional Voice is the first step on a revisionist rewriting of history on this subject. ("First Nations" were not nations in any sense of the word. It is an anachronistic invention to soften things up for a treaty)
There are hundreds of Aboriginal tribes. None of them has a singular, unified view on all issues affecting them. So it is not possible for any 24 Aborigines to speak for them all.


No skin off your nose Soren.  Who cares who makes up "The Voice"  Only the Black Fella so why do you give a fuq?  That's for them to sort out.

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Aborigines are already recognised as being here before 1788.


Where?

Ya see Soren...there is NOTHING you can post which I cannot so easily debunk.  WhatTF are you so afraid of?

Do you think the boong is gonna collectively come and rape your Grandma, your Wife and daughters because of The Voice...what? 

Tell me what you are going to lose.
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Reply #81 - Jul 1st, 2023 at 8:45pm  
Aussie wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 8:22pm:
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The Voice is symbolic and would fix no actual disadvantage.


Yep...no disadvantage to anyone especially a fly/sail in like you.

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There are multiple Aboriginal voices to all levels of political power already.


Nope.  There are multiple community based facilities like ATSILS.

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There is nothing the Voice can say that all other past and present Aboriginal bodies havent said already.


Fine...so no skin off your nose to vote for it.

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The Voice adds race to the constitution and enshrines a racial division of Australian citizenship


It has always been there moron.

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It could nobble government with endless request for opportunity to advise on every aspect of life since there is no aspect of life that only affects Aborigines


Yep...smoke signals sent from some corner in Parliament will fuq the place.  Roight.

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It is the first step to a treaty which would agitate for co-sovereignty. There is no basis for a unified, single Aboriginal sovereignty, and therefore there is nobody the Commonwealth could enter into a treaty with.


Well, we will deal with a "Treaty of Waitangi" if that ever arises.  Not even your mate Lydia suggest this is a path to treaty...but...that is not on the table at all.

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A Constitutional Voice is the first step on a revisionist rewriting of history on this subject. ("First Nations" were not nations in any sense of the word. It is an anachronistic invention to soften things up for a treaty)
There are hundreds of Aboriginal tribes. None of them has a singular, unified view on all issues affecting them. So it is not possible for any 24 Aborigines to speak for them all.


No skin off your nose Soren.  Who cares who makes up "The Voice"  Only the Black Fella so why do you give a fuq?  That's for them to sort out.

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Aborigines are already recognised as being here before 1788.


Where?

Ya see Soren...there is NOTHING you can post which I cannot so easily debunk.  WhatTF are you so afraid of?

Do you think the boong is gonna collectively come and rape your Grandma, your Wife and daughters because of The Voice...what? 

Tell me what you are going to lose.

This is as stupid as I expected from you, Arrsie.

"Who cares who makes up the Voice"? How stupid can you be? Everyone cares who has to vote on whether to include it in the Constitution.
This is not about some remote tribal chinwag nobody has ever heard of or ever will Arse, it is about the Constitution that impacts EVERYONE. Basic Law. Rule book of Commonwealth governance.
Your idiotic " no skin off your nose" refrain just shows how stupid you are and comprehend nothing of either the details or the implication of Constitutional amendment.
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Reply #82 - Jul 1st, 2023 at 8:51pm  
Rubbish Soren...I'll give you one last chance.

Tell me what you lose if The Voice gets up.

Do you worry we will ship you back to Europe?
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Reply #83 - Jul 1st, 2023 at 8:59pm  
Aussie wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 8:51pm:
Rubbish Soren...I'll give you one last chance.

Tell me what you lose if The Voice gets up.

Do you worry we will ship you back to Europe?

This is a referendum about Australian Constitutional change, eyewateringly thick non-lawyer, NOT about me or Europe or any of your inane, Bbwianesque bollocks.
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Reply #84 - Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:11pm  
Frank wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 8:59pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 8:51pm:
Rubbish Soren...I'll give you one last chance.

Tell me what you lose if The Voice gets up.

Do you worry we will ship you back to Europe?


This is a referendum about Australian Constitutional change, eyewateringly thick non-lawyer, NOT about me or Europe or any of your inane, Bbwianesque bollocks.



Who needs Foxtel? I much prefer the Saturday night Aussie and Frank show on Ozpol TV.
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Reply #85 - Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:12pm  
I love how all the racists think that pretending they care about the constitution hides their racism  Cheesy
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Reply #86 - Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:20pm  
John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:12pm:
I love how all the racists think that pretending they care about the constitution hides their racism  Cheesy


Constitution don't care what colour your paint job is, boy.... or what colour the sh
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t you was dipped in is ..... covers all equally - in theory anyway,...
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Reply #87 - Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:21pm  
John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:12pm:
I love how all the racists think that pretending they care about the constitution hides their racism  Cheesy


Damn straight! We'll know the racists by their defence of our constitution.
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Reply #88 - Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:22pm  
Aussie wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 8:51pm:
Rubbish Soren...I'll give you one last chance.

Tell me what you lose if The Voice gets up.

Do you worry we will ship you back to Europe?


Equal treatment under law as required....................................... instantly.  Tip of the iceberg tottering at the top of the steep and very well greased slope...

But we all know that - look at the treatment Bruce Lehrmann copped........
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Reply #89 - Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:24pm  
Aussie wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 8:51pm:
Rubbish Soren...I'll give you one last chance.

Tell me what you lose if The Voice gets up.

Do you worry we will ship you back to Europe?


We'll we have no details so no-one can say, it'll all be worked out after we vote yes... yeah, nah..
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