Australian Politics Forum - Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year

Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42405	Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year Jul 28^th, 2023 at 1:29pm Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year on Indigenous programs. Is that correct? - Bullshit it seems... Tsk, tsk, tsk...
Back to top	Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... IP Logged

Gnads

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 30008
Gender: male

Re: Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year
Reply #1 - Jul 28^th, 2023 at 1:43pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 1:29pm:

Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year on Indigenous programs. Is that correct? - Bullshit it seems... Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

2015-2016 FYE $33.4 billion was spent on Aboriginal peoples.

That the NIAA had another $4.5 billion in it's budget last year goes on top of what was allocated for the same year..... & it certainly would have increased on that $33.4 billion since 2015/16.

Warren Mundine said similar but not attributing it to the NIAA.

What's that straw like in your hand? Grin

https://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-is-30-billion-spent-every-year-on-50...

Back to top

"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful and difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid." ~ Ricky Gervais

IP Logged

Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85332 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year Reply #2 - Jul 28^th, 2023 at 7:07pm Oh, well - that $20m+ a day I came up with instead of $100m a day doesn't include state etc cash .... it's only $20m a day - just a Powerball win.... every day. Meanwhile, hospitals, ambulance services, police, housing, homelessness ... you name it ... could use $20m a day plus state cash.
Back to top	“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” ― John Adams IP Logged

Grappler Deep State Feller

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 85332
Always was always will be HOME
Gender: male

Re: Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year
Reply #3 - Jul 28^th, 2023 at 7:39pm

Steven segal wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 7:09pm:

I'm a full blood aboriginal, not some pretender like this pale face Brian Ross and I think he should stay out of my mobs business.

ABORIGINAL PRIDE

Well said.

I add the proviso that this is the internet and we don't really know who and what anyone is. I, of course, am a transgender sex neutral billionaire astronaut and am circling the earth as we discuss these things down there... man - what a view.... you get my drift?

I'm really an old bastard (and very conscientious about it) with lots of views and a functioning mind.

Back to top

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams

IP Logged

Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42405	Re: Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year Reply #4 - Jul 28^th, 2023 at 9:43pm Oh, dearie, dearie, me, where is Segal's comment? I have never claimed to be an Indigenous Australian. Where is the proof of his claim? Perhaps Mr. Segal should show us some token to prove his claim about his Indigenousness? Tsk, tsk, tsk...
Back to top	Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... IP Logged

Frank

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 47936
Gender: male

Re: Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year
Reply #5 - Jul 28^th, 2023 at 9:51pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 9:43pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, where is Segal's comment? I have never claimed to be an Indigenous Australian. Where is the proof of his claim? Perhaps Mr. Segal should show us some token to prove his claim about his Indigenousness? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What prof would you accept, Bbwian?

What proof of Aboriginality is acceptable?

Back to top

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

IP Logged

Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85332 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year Reply #6 - Jul 28^th, 2023 at 10:15pm What happened to the Aboriginal grandmother or whatever?
Back to top	“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” ― John Adams IP Logged

Frank

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 47936
Gender: male

Re: Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year
Reply #7 - Jul 28^th, 2023 at 10:44pm

I have reviewed this FactCheck. Mundine was right on the figure of $30 billion; total direct expenditure on services for Indigenous Australians in 2012-13 was estimated to be $30.3 billion, as detailed on page one of the Productivity Commission’s 2014 report. Based on the 2011 Census, the Indigenous population was approximately 550,000 people, with most living in urban areas. Researcher Sara Hudson’s August 2016 report, published by the Centre for Independent Studies, outlines the continued waste and duplication of government funding as raised by Mundine. – Dennis Foley
https://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-is-30-billion-spent-every-year-on-50...

NIAA
The National Indigenous Australians Agency was established by an Executive Order signed by the Governor-General on 29 May 2019.

The Executive Order gives the NIAA a number of functions, including:

to lead and coordinate Commonwealth policy development, program design and implementation and service delivery for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;
to provide advice to the Prime Minister and the Minister for Indigenous Australians on whole-of-government priorities for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;
to lead and coordinate the development and implementation of Australia’s Closing the Gap targets in partnership with Indigenous Australians; and
to lead Commonwealth activities to promote reconciliation.
https://www.niaa.gov.au/who-we-are/the-agency

Abbott is right. (As is Mundine.)
But if he's wrong - what **** is the NIAA doing?? WHO leads and coordinates the expenditure on Abos? And who is ACCOUNTABLE for all that expenditure if not the NIAA???

Back to top

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

IP Logged

Grappler Deep State Feller

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 85332
Always was always will be HOME
Gender: male

Re: Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year
Reply #8 - Jul 28^th, 2023 at 10:48pm

Frank wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 10:44pm:

I have reviewed this FactCheck. Mundine was right on the figure of $30 billion; total direct expenditure on services for Indigenous Australians in 2012-13 was estimated to be $30.3 billion, as detailed on page one of the Productivity Commission’s 2014 report. Based on the 2011 Census, the Indigenous population was approximately 550,000 people, with most living in urban areas. Researcher Sara Hudson’s August 2016 report, published by the Centre for Independent Studies, outlines the continued waste and duplication of government funding as raised by Mundine. – Dennis Foley
https://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-is-30-billion-spent-every-year-on-50...

NIAA
The National Indigenous Australians Agency was established by an Executive Order signed by the Governor-General on 29 May 2019.

The Executive Order gives the NIAA a number of functions, including:

to lead and coordinate Commonwealth policy development, program design and implementation and service delivery for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;
to provide advice to the Prime Minister and the Minister for Indigenous Australians on whole-of-government priorities for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;
to lead and coordinate the development and implementation of Australia’s Closing the Gap targets in partnership with Indigenous Australians; and
to lead Commonwealth activities to promote reconciliation.
https://www.niaa.gov.au/who-we-are/the-agency

Abbott is right. (As is Mundine.)
But if he's wrong - what **** is the NIAA doing?? WHO leads and coordinates the expenditure on Abos? And who is ACCOUNTABLE for all that expenditure if not the NIAA???

Who provides advice to the Prime Minister and Minister for Aboriginal Affairs?

Back to top

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams

IP Logged

Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59310 Here Gender:	Re: Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year Reply #9 - Jul 28^th, 2023 at 10:54pm Tony Who ?
Back to top	IP Logged

Boris Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4080 Gender:	Re: Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year Reply #10 - Jul 29^th, 2023 at 7:37am
Back to top	IP Logged

Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42405	Re: Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year Reply #11 - Jul 29^th, 2023 at 12:52pm
Back to top	Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... IP Logged

Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85332 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year Reply #12 - Jul 29^th, 2023 at 2:42pm Boris wrote on Jul 29^th, 2023 at 7:37am: Look like dat fullah 'im get dat spear in da leg.... 'cohol tek away 'im pain...
Back to top	“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” ― John Adams IP Logged

AusGeoff Gold Member Offline Sage of Gippsland Posts: 6002 Victoria Gender:	Re: Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year Reply #13 - Jul 29^th, 2023 at 11:55pm Boris wrote on Jul 29^th, 2023 at 7:37am: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCEunGYVPSA Just how many time are you going to post this Boris? Once is enough to let us know what an ignorant, racist arsehole you are mate! As if we needed any further convincing.
Back to top	IP Logged

Gnads

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 30008
Gender: male

Re: Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year
Reply #14 - Jul 30^th, 2023 at 7:33am

Frank wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 10:44pm:

I have reviewed this FactCheck. Mundine was right on the figure of $30 billion; total direct expenditure on services for Indigenous Australians in 2012-13 was estimated to be $30.3 billion, as detailed on page one of the Productivity Commission’s 2014 report. Based on the 2011 Census, the Indigenous population was approximately 550,000 people, with most living in urban areas. Researcher Sara Hudson’s August 2016 report, published by the Centre for Independent Studies, outlines the continued waste and duplication of government funding as raised by Mundine. – Dennis Foley
https://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-is-30-billion-spent-every-year-on-50...

NIAA
The National Indigenous Australians Agency was established by an Executive Order signed by the Governor-General on 29 May 2019.

The Executive Order gives the NIAA a number of functions, including:

to lead and coordinate Commonwealth policy development, program design and implementation and service delivery for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;
to provide advice to the Prime Minister and the Minister for Indigenous Australians on whole-of-government priorities for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;
to lead and coordinate the development and implementation of Australia’s Closing the Gap targets in partnership with Indigenous Australians; and
to lead Commonwealth activities to promote reconciliation.
https://www.niaa.gov.au/who-we-are/the-agency

Abbott is right. (As is Mundine.)
But if he's wrong - what **** is the NIAA doing?? WHO leads and coordinates the expenditure on Abos? And who is ACCOUNTABLE for all that expenditure if not the NIAA???

The NIAA has been audited & has been found wanting in certain areas..... especially relating risk management & accountability against fraud in disbursement of funding.

It was said to be "not fit fit for purpose".

Quote:

The objective of the audit was to assess the effectiveness of the NIAA’s management of provider fraud and non-compliance risks.

Key findings:

The NIAA’s management of provider fraud and non-compliance risks is partly effective.

The NIAA’s frameworks for managing provider fraud and non-compliance are [highlight]not fully fit-for-purpose.[/highlight]

There is a risk management framework and a risk-based conceptual approach for managing provider fraud and non-compliance risks. The frameworks for managing fraud and provider non-compliance do not fully comply with legislation or the NIAA’s internal policies.

Elements of the provider fraud and non-compliance framework, such as the underlying policies and procedures, are not always aligned.

There are weaknesses in the design and implementation of governance and assurance mechanisms.

The NIAA’s arrangements for the prevention, detection and referral of potential provider fraud and non-compliance are partly effective.

Prevention is not consistently or sufficiently considered in grant design and planning, and training is out of date.

Detection relies primarily on complaints being raised and arrangements to deal with complaints are appropriate.

Proactive detection controls are not sufficiently implemented. Referral and escalation arrangements exist, however these require greater clarity.

https://apo.org.au/node/322916

Back to top

"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful and difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid." ~ Ricky Gervais

IP Logged