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Re: Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year
Reply #30 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 11:00pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 9:55pm:

Boris wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 7:16am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 2:31pm:

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You either do not know the truth or don't care

either way you are a Narcissist

What is it Narcissists do, Matty? They belittle people at every turn. What do we see you doing? Belittling people at every turn. Tsk, tsk, tsk, you are so quick to belittle anybody who dares to question you or your antics. Such a silly Narcissist you, Matty. Roll Eyes

You alone fill the gap in the fertiliser market due to the Ukraine war, Bbwian. You are a one man fertiliser factory, cockwomble. You think shite, talk shite.

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Re: Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year
Reply #31 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 11:23pm

Boris wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 10:35pm:

All you ever do is invalidate every single word I say...

That's in all likelihood because nearly every claim
you post here is simply bullshit and/or the result
of an overactive imagination.

You never post any first-hand, viable evidence in
order to support the claims you make about Aboriginals
other than third-party hearsay, rumours or bygone
historical records.

And when your opinions are challenged, rather than
defend them rationally, with convincing evidence, you
simply resort to personal insults and character assassination.

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Re: Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year
Reply #32 - Aug 1^st, 2023 at 10:30am

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 3:17am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 2:53am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 1:53am:

Boris wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 7:42am:

On that very place I was almost killed in a street fight

I told a guy it was a Non-Smoking area and he attacked me and almost killed me...

How's it possible for one bloke to fabricate so
much bullshit AND post it on a public forum? Cheesy

Is there anything Boris hasn't seen or done,
heard of or been the victim of?

You, Brian, Aussie, and a few other social justice warriors must live in a very non-indigenous neighbourhood. Or you stay home a lot and never get to witness the carry-ons of indigenous Australians...

LOL... I actually live near an Aboriginal settlement, and
often talk to the blokes when they come into town
to do a bit of shopping or banking or whatever. I also
lived and worked in the Pilbara, in mining, so I've seen
a fair few of the local Aboriginals and their often drunken
street fights ([highlight]which are ultimately harmless to the local
white population anyway).
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Anyway...

The point I was making was not about any particular
traits of Aboriginals, but more about the crap that
Boris posts here every day... like he was "almost
killed" by an Aboriginal FFS. I really think he lives
in some sort of internalised fantasy world LOL.

BTW, what have you got against social justice?
Don't you believe in a fair and equitable division of
resources, opportunities, and privileges in society?

In Victoria? Grin

As for the "Pilbara" - good generalisation. Grin

The Pilbara is a big place.

I've got mates who work in Port Hedland & Newman now .... & I can tell you that your description about Aboriginals & or their fighting not affecting "white" people there is bullshyte.

That's why when one chap decided to move his wife over to Hedland & bought a house years ago he had an 8 ft fence & 2 rottweiler dogs.

He & many others sold up & came back home when "fly in fly out" was made an option.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59332 Here Gender:	Re: Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year Reply #33 - Aug 1^st, 2023 at 10:37am I was surprised to see this topic still active, I was thinking who could possibly give a toss about anything that Abbott had to say. Then I checked it and found to my relief that were were about 3 posts about what Abbott said and then dozens to bash Aboriginal people and each other. Carry on .
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Re: Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year
Reply #34 - Aug 1^st, 2023 at 11:29am

Dnarever wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 10:37am:

I was surprised to see this topic still active, I was thinking who could possibly give a toss about anything that Abbott had to say.

Then I checked it and found to my relief that were were about 3 posts about what Abbott said and then dozens to bash Aboriginal people and each other.

Carry on .

Let's up that tally, then. Here you go, Jemima, enjoy.

Worth studying, as the poet Aqua says.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35585 Gender:	Re: Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year Reply #35 - Aug 1^st, 2023 at 11:34am And that's how Frank interprets that.
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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85354 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year Reply #36 - Aug 1^st, 2023 at 11:38am Well - does NIAA disburse $30+ Bn a year or not?
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Re: Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year
Reply #37 - Aug 1^st, 2023 at 11:54am

Frank wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 11:29am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 10:37am:

I was surprised to see this topic still active, I was thinking who could possibly give a toss about anything that Abbott had to say.

Then I checked it and found to my relief that were were about 3 posts about what Abbott said and then dozens to bash Aboriginal people and each other.

Carry on .

Let's up that tally, then. Here you go, Jemima, enjoy.

Worth studying, as the poet Aqua says.

Na - that garbage doesn't count. Why would you care if it's 3 or 4 anyway.

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Re: Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year
Reply #38 - Aug 1^st, 2023 at 12:42pm

Hmm - saying that 48% yes means 52% no is specious... some wouldn't know their arsehole from their breakfast hole... clearly in that 52% there are a portion of 'don't know' ....

Still - even 50% evens means a referendum is highly unlikely to gain a majority of voters in a majority of states. You need to start a lot higher than that.

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Re: Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year
Reply #39 - Aug 1^st, 2023 at 1:42pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 11:54am:

Frank wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 11:29am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 10:37am:

I was surprised to see this topic still active, I was thinking who could possibly give a toss about anything that Abbott had to say.

Then I checked it and found to my relief that were were about 3 posts about what Abbott said and then dozens to bash Aboriginal people and each other.

Carry on .

Let's up that tally, then. Here you go, Jemima, enjoy.

Worth studying, as the poet Aqua says.

Na - that garbage doesn't count. Why would you care if it's 3 or 4 anyway.

We are not talking about peas, Jemima.

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Re: Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year
Reply #40 - Aug 1^st, 2023 at 1:45pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 11:38am:

Well - does NIAA disburse $30+ Bn a year or not?

Verdict
Warren Mundine’s statement uses the most accurate and up-to-date estimate of government spending on Indigenous Australians – about $30.3 billion, according to the Productivity Commission.

However, only a small proportion of the overall Indigenous expenditure is on Indigenous-specific programs. The rest comprises the cost of providing mainstream services, such as schooling and health care, that all Australians enjoy.

His figure of 500,000 Indigenous Australians is a bit low, likely reflecting reasonably common uncertainty on this question (as well as him being on the spot on a fast-paced, live TV program).

The general point about needing “to find out where the wastage of our funding is” is important, and requires careful evaluation of the impact and cost-effectiveness of Indigenous-specific and other social programs. – Nicholas Biddle.

Review
I have reviewed this FactCheck. Mundine was right on the figure of $30 billion; total direct[/size expenditure on services for Indigenous Australians in 2012-13 was estimated to be $30.3 billion, as detailed on page one of the Productivity Commission’s 2014 report. Based on the 2011 Census, the Indigenous population was approximately 550,000 people, with most living in urban areas. Researcher Sara Hudson’s August 2016 report, published by the Centre for Independent Studies, outlines the continued waste and duplication of government funding as raised by Mundine. – Dennis Foley.

While it’s true Warren Mundine used the most up-to-date figures, his quote didn’t quite convey the full story. It didn’t get across the fact that only a really small chunk of the overall Indigenous spending is on Indigenous-specific programs. Most is on mainstream programs.

As the article notes, Productivity Commission estimates that only $5.6 billion or 18.6% of the $30 billion Mundine refers to is provided through Indigenous-specific or targeted services. The Productivity Commission does not examine how much of this $5.6 billion actually goes to Indigenous organisations within community or Indigenous peoples themselves – and how much is spent on government businesses.

Warren Mundine’s broader point that current spending is not yielding results needs further attention. The government’s Closing the Gap targets are nowhere near being met, and in some cases, widening, suggesting that these programs are, by and large, failing. Policy logic underpinning spending should be examined. – Elise Klein
https://cass.anu.edu.au/news/factcheck-qa-30-billion-spent-every-year-500000-ind...

Indigineous expenditure report by thd Productivity Commission
https://www.pc.gov.au/ongoing/indigenous-expenditure-report

2017 report:

The Australian Government accounted for $14.7 billion (43.9 per cent) of direct Indigenous expenditure in 2015‑16, a real increase of $2.2 billion (17.5 per cent) from 2008‑09. The remaining $18.8 billion (56.1 per cent) was provided by State and Territory governments, a real increase of $4.3 billion (29.7 per cent) from 2008‑09.
https://www.pc.gov.au/ongoing/indigenous-expenditure-report/2017

Soooo..... what's $14.7 billion plus $18.8 billion?? Er....$33.5 billion

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Re: Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year
Reply #41 - Aug 1^st, 2023 at 2:57pm

"Productivity Commission estimates that only $5.6 billion or 18.6% of the $30 billion"

That's why I cut it down to a mere $20m a day.... ONLY $20m a day.... forty odd homes built.... hospital beds... improvements to ambulance services.... roads, rail, everything else ... all gone into 'administrative costs' meaning the pockets of the insiders and their range rovers etc and huge salaries and perks - and buggar all getting to ground zero where the wild Aborigine kids grow... and pillage Alice and other places...

Have I related to you lately about North Eastern NSW - home of Mt Warning? Hundreds of cars stolen, burnt and wrecked... break-ins out of control, sheds and garages and such of people seeking to impose control being burned, mysterious fires everywhere including the Summer of Bushfires where one was clearly caught on camera trying to set light to a phone tower (???) ... vandalism of cars at Mt Warning... no-go zones after dark and increasingly during the day... kids out of control and not attending school and then wailing about disadvantage..... crime rates out of control .....

It isn't only The Alice that is suffering.... BTW - that up there is Brenton Tarrant country .... some true loonies up that way.

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