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Reply #1 - Jul 29th, 2023 at 5:15pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 3:32pm:


Ron's right, Greggery. Free food, housing and health care for life. What's wrong with that? Sure, some took advantage of the system, but you get that in all relationships. If people had read their Bibles, there wouldn't have been any problems.

Look, Ron's just trying to make people proud of their history again, okay? The BLMers and blacks and leftards keep saying how bad things were. Ron's trying to create a sensible balance. You've got to look on the bright side. Put on a happy face, keep a pocketful of dreams. If you don't have a dream, then how're you going to make-a your dream come true?

Anyway, now that the big fella's polling again, we can forget Ron. Personally, I think he went too far when he spoke back to Mr Trump. Fancy insinuating that the big fella was fiscally irresponsible - who does he think he is?

Ron should learn to mind his manners.
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Reply #3 - Jul 29th, 2023 at 6:42pm
 
chimera wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 5:53pm:
Choosing colour can be one of the toughest — but most important — steps in a painting project. With our expert knowledge, you can choose the colour scheme in your home with confidence.
Our most popular whites make up some of Australia’s most loved colour choices. See how the right white can easily transform any space; from clean and crisp to warm and inviting. Grey’s versatility, and often chameleon-like qualities, make it suitable for almost every style of home.  Browns can be lighter shades such as beige, tan, toffee or taupe in varying tones. They can feel either warm or cool, depending on the undertones and what you scheme them with. Select a colour option below to shop paint samples or click through to explore the full product range. Colour featured: Dulux Toffee Fingers.


Good point, JaSin. Why do people always try to paint slavery as a black issue? There were all kinds of slaves throughout history. The white slave trade was a terrible business, as FD often points out. Why do people just focus on the tinted races?

Black or white, I think we can all agree, slavery has its benefits, no?
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Reply #4 - Jul 29th, 2023 at 6:48pm
 
No but Slavs have benefits.
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Reply #5 - Jul 29th, 2023 at 6:59pm
 
The societies we most admire from antiquity, the Romans and Greeks, were both slave societies, with slave ownership in ancient Athens similar in its extent to car ownership today.

Both North and South America had slave economies before Europeans arrived, and after their arrival the trans-Atlantic slave trade powered plantations throughout the region.

China had slavery under the Qing dynasty, and the Moguls practised it in India. Africans enslaved Africans and some of the highest ranking advisers in the Ottoman Empire were slaves.

The Vikings, and their descendants in Kyivan Rus, in what is now Ukraine, were prolific slavers in eastern Europe to the extent that their predations gave rise to the ethnic term Slavs, or slaves.

Accounts of sexual slavery also are documented in Australia among Aboriginal people.

No doubt as a result of American exceptionalism and cultural dominance, as well as Eurocentrism, Australians are fascinated by the trans-Atlantic slave trade more than any other.

This started when the Portuguese, the only western European slave economy of the time, purchased Africans for sale and shipped them to Brazil in 1526.

Britain was not a slave economy in the 16th century but, before the Norman Conquest in 1066, 10 per cent to 30 per cent of the population had been slaves. The Normans opposed slavery. William the Conqueror’s ninth law banned the export of slaves and in 1102 the Church Council in London condemned slavery. By 1200 it had died out.

Subsequent court cases affirmed that there was no status of slavery under the common law, so slaves could not exist in Britain and any slave brought there was free.

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Most of us believe in the concept of historical progress, but for this concept to make any sense things must have been worse in the past, and they frequently were.

But we don’t have the luxury of living simultaneously in the present and the past, and undoubtedly some things we routinely do today will be viewed as immoral and inhumane in a couple of centuries.

It’s easy to sit in the 21st century and critique the 17th century, but if you lived in the past what would you have done? Work with what you have, maybe improving it incrementally, or sit it out in isolation somewhere?
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But, to borrow an insight from American economist Thomas Sowell in another context: What is surprising is not that slavery existed but that it was abolished.
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In 1807, under the influence of noted abolitionist William Wilberforce and others, the British parliament passed the Slave Trade Act, which banned any trade in slaves using British-flagged ships. The margin in the House of Commons was 283 to 17, with 94 per cent supporting it.

As Britain accounted for 42 per cent of the Atlantic slave trade at the time, this was significant.

Britain also used its diplomatic influence to enter into treaties with other countries to abolish the trade in their areas of influence, with the Royal Navy used to interdict shipping.

The 1833 Slavery Abolition Act did not immediately abolish slavery. What it did was pay compensation to the owners of slaves and change the slaves’ status to that of apprentice. The apprentices then had four to six years to work out their indenture. This was further compensation to the former owner, as well as providing a phasing-in period.

Territory controlled by the East India Company also was exempted, which included India, although here slaves were mostly owned by Indians. Slavery in India predated the arrival of the British. It was abolished 11 years later in 1844.

You may argue that this approach is too gradualist and too favourable to the slave owners, but what would be the alternative and how moral would that outcome be?

From 1861 to 1865 the US fought a civil war over slavery that resulted in the deaths of between 600,000 and one million men – a greater proportion of the population by far than the US has lost in any other war.

They destroyed their economy and created enmities that exist to this day. Sometimes there is no perfect way.

The British achieved their emancipation without a war, although at some cost. The compensation was £20m, or 40 per cent of the British budget. While government revenue was smaller then, amounting to about 12.5 per cent of gross domestic product, it is the equivalent of $450bn as a percentage of Australia’s budget.

This money was borrowed and completely repaid only in 2015.

The British also used the Royal Navy to actively suppress the slave trade, and much of their interference in Africa was directed to this end.

Generally, this was under treaty agreements with other countries, but in 1850 the Royal Navy blockaded Brazil to pressure it to ban the trade. Wanting to avoid war with Britain, it did this in 1850.

So for every year it was a slaver the empire spent roughly another year doing its best to eradicate slavery.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/britain-did-more-to-abolish-slavery-than-any-other-nation/news-story/2a79b96bfa396c48cbd8e4e03cf460aa
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Reply #6 - Jul 29th, 2023 at 7:22pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 6:42pm:
chimera wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 5:53pm:
Choosing colour can be one of the toughest — but most important — steps in a painting project. With our expert knowledge, you can choose the colour scheme in your home with confidence.
Our most popular whites make up some of Australia’s most loved colour choices. See how the right white can easily transform any space; from clean and crisp to warm and inviting. Grey’s versatility, and often chameleon-like qualities, make it suitable for almost every style of home.  Browns can be lighter shades such as beige, tan, toffee or taupe in varying tones. They can feel either warm or cool, depending on the undertones and what you scheme them with. Select a colour option below to shop paint samples or click through to explore the full product range. Colour featured: Dulux Toffee Fingers.


Good point, JaSin. Why do people always try to paint slavery as a black issue? There were all kinds of slaves throughout history. The white slave trade was a terrible business, as FD often points out. Why do people just focus on the tinted races?

Black or white, I think we can all agree, slavery has its benefits, no?


I don't hear any protests from the slave owners.
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Reply #7 - Jul 29th, 2023 at 7:47pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 7:22pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 6:42pm:
chimera wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 5:53pm:
Choosing colour can be one of the toughest — but most important — steps in a painting project. With our expert knowledge, you can choose the colour scheme in your home with confidence.
Our most popular whites make up some of Australia’s most loved colour choices. See how the right white can easily transform any space; from clean and crisp to warm and inviting. Grey’s versatility, and often chameleon-like qualities, make it suitable for almost every style of home.  Browns can be lighter shades such as beige, tan, toffee or taupe in varying tones. They can feel either warm or cool, depending on the undertones and what you scheme them with. Select a colour option below to shop paint samples or click through to explore the full product range. Colour featured: Dulux Toffee Fingers.


Good point, JaSin. Why do people always try to paint slavery as a black issue? There were all kinds of slaves throughout history. The white slave trade was a terrible business, as FD often points out. Why do people just focus on the tinted races?

Black or white, I think we can all agree, slavery has its benefits, no?


I don't hear any protests from the slave owners.



I don't think there are any Arab, Indian,  Pakistani, African or Asian forum members,
It's just all whites here.

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Reply #8 - Jul 29th, 2023 at 8:12pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 7:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 7:22pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 6:42pm:
chimera wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 5:53pm:
Choosing colour can be one of the toughest — but most important — steps in a painting project. With our expert knowledge, you can choose the colour scheme in your home with confidence.
Our most popular whites make up some of Australia’s most loved colour choices. See how the right white can easily transform any space; from clean and crisp to warm and inviting. Grey’s versatility, and often chameleon-like qualities, make it suitable for almost every style of home.  Browns can be lighter shades such as beige, tan, toffee or taupe in varying tones. They can feel either warm or cool, depending on the undertones and what you scheme them with. Select a colour option below to shop paint samples or click through to explore the full product range. Colour featured: Dulux Toffee Fingers.


Good point, JaSin. Why do people always try to paint slavery as a black issue? There were all kinds of slaves throughout history. The white slave trade was a terrible business, as FD often points out. Why do people just focus on the tinted races?

Black or white, I think we can all agree, slavery has its benefits, no?


I don't hear any protests from the slave owners.



I don't think there are any Arab, Indian,  Pakistani, African or Asian forum members,
It's just all whites here.



No slaves here, dear boy, we're British.
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Reply #9 - Jul 29th, 2023 at 8:59pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 8:12pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 7:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 7:22pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 6:42pm:
chimera wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 5:53pm:
Choosing colour can be one of the toughest — but most important — steps in a painting project. With our expert knowledge, you can choose the colour scheme in your home with confidence.
Our most popular whites make up some of Australia’s most loved colour choices. See how the right white can easily transform any space; from clean and crisp to warm and inviting. Grey’s versatility, and often chameleon-like qualities, make it suitable for almost every style of home.  Browns can be lighter shades such as beige, tan, toffee or taupe in varying tones. They can feel either warm or cool, depending on the undertones and what you scheme them with. Select a colour option below to shop paint samples or click through to explore the full product range. Colour featured: Dulux Toffee Fingers.


Good point, JaSin. Why do people always try to paint slavery as a black issue? There were all kinds of slaves throughout history. The white slave trade was a terrible business, as FD often points out. Why do people just focus on the tinted races?

Black or white, I think we can all agree, slavery has its benefits, no?


I don't hear any protests from the slave owners.



I don't think there are any Arab, Indian,  Pakistani, African or Asian forum members,
It's just all whites here.



No slaves here, dear boy, we're British.


Well, you aren't , paki. You are a wee Pakistani arse bandit from the wilds of Auburn.
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Reply #10 - Jul 29th, 2023 at 9:26pm
 
Japan's Burma railway. '60,000 Allied prisoners of war were subjected to forced labour during its construction. Around 90,000 civilians died, as did more than 12,000 Allied prisoners'.
'The Germans transported over 16,000 slave workers to the British Channel Islands to build fortifications. On 12 August 1941 the Germans stated that unless British labour was forthcoming men would be conscripted. The builders who had originally built the airport undertook the work under protest.'
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Reply #11 - Jul 30th, 2023 at 12:04am
 
Frank wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 8:59pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 8:12pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 7:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 7:22pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 6:42pm:
chimera wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 5:53pm:
Choosing colour can be one of the toughest — but most important — steps in a painting project. With our expert knowledge, you can choose the colour scheme in your home with confidence.
Our most popular whites make up some of Australia’s most loved colour choices. See how the right white can easily transform any space; from clean and crisp to warm and inviting. Grey’s versatility, and often chameleon-like qualities, make it suitable for almost every style of home.  Browns can be lighter shades such as beige, tan, toffee or taupe in varying tones. They can feel either warm or cool, depending on the undertones and what you scheme them with. Select a colour option below to shop paint samples or click through to explore the full product range. Colour featured: Dulux Toffee Fingers.


Good point, JaSin. Why do people always try to paint slavery as a black issue? There were all kinds of slaves throughout history. The white slave trade was a terrible business, as FD often points out. Why do people just focus on the tinted races?

Black or white, I think we can all agree, slavery has its benefits, no?


I don't hear any protests from the slave owners.



I don't think there are any Arab, Indian,  Pakistani, African or Asian forum members,
It's just all whites here.



No slaves here, dear boy, we're British.


Well, you aren't , paki. You are a wee Pakistani arse bandit from the wilds of Auburn.


We grew here you flew here, you silly old Anglophile.

Britains never ever ever shall be slaves.
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Reply #12 - Feb 28th, 2024 at 8:26am
 
Ocasio-Cortez Declares Victory Over The Modern-Day Equivalent Of Slavery: Jobs


WASHINGTON, D.C. - Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is busy celebrating her victory over the tyrannical Jeff Bezos and the horrible burden his company Amazon had planned to inflict on the people of New York City: 25,000 jobs.

"I thought it was a good thing that Amazon was coming to New York and wanted to give us money," Ocasio-Cortez told the press. "But then I found out they were going to extort people and only give them the money if they worked for it. Forcing people to work if they want to get paid -- how is that any different from slavery?"

A number of people tried to explain to her how that was different from slavery, but she just stared at them with incomprehension. "No one needs to work," Ocasio-Cortez continued. "We just need to tax the rich enough and we'll have enough money for everyone, and no one will need one of those awful jobs that are just as bad as slavery and almost as bad as transphobia. We could also maybe print some money. I have a printer at home."

Not everyone was as happy about the loss of 25,000 new jobs. "You fool! What have you done?!" New York Governor Andrew Cuomo shouted at Ocasio-Cortez as he ran into her press conference.
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Frank wrote on Feb 28th, 2024 at 8:26am:
Ocasio-Cortez Declares Victory Over The Modern-Day Equivalent Of Slavery: Jobs


WASHINGTON, D.C. - Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is busy celebrating her victory over the tyrannical Jeff Bezos and the horrible burden his company Amazon had planned to inflict on the people of New York City: 25,000 jobs.

"I thought it was a good thing that Amazon was coming to New York and wanted to give us money," Ocasio-Cortez told the press. "But then I found out they were going to extort people and only give them the money if they worked for it. Forcing people to work if they want to get paid -- how is that any different from slavery?"

A number of people tried to explain to her how that was different from slavery, but she just stared at them with incomprehension. "No one needs to work," Ocasio-Cortez continued. "We just need to tax the rich enough and we'll have enough money for everyone, and no one will need one of those awful jobs that are just as bad as slavery and almost as bad as transphobia. We could also maybe print some money. I have a printer at home."

Not everyone was as happy about the loss of 25,000 new jobs. "You fool! What have you done?!" New York Governor Andrew Cuomo shouted at Ocasio-Cortez as he ran into her press conference.


Not satire, dear boy. More like modern history, no?

14/02/2019.

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New York City will lose the bulk of the 25,000 jobs that were initially promised by Amazon's HQ2, the company's spokesperson confirmed.

Instead, most of those jobs will be spread across 17 of Amazon's corporate offices and tech hubs in North America, including Boston, Vancouver and Denver.

Amazon announced Thursday it will not build its headquarters in New York City after local opposition. The company had originally planned to build the campus in the Long Island City neighborhood of Queens.


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/14/new-york-will-lose-the-bulk-of-the-25000-jobs-th...

This is satire:

https://babylonbee.com/news/ocasio-cortez-declares-victory-over-the-modern-day-e...

Cunning, no?
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Reply #14 - Feb 28th, 2024 at 11:52am
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 28th, 2024 at 10:39am:
Frank wrote on Feb 28th, 2024 at 8:26am:
Ocasio-Cortez Declares Victory Over The Modern-Day Equivalent Of Slavery: Jobs


WASHINGTON, D.C. - Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is busy celebrating her victory over the tyrannical Jeff Bezos and the horrible burden his company Amazon had planned to inflict on the people of New York City: 25,000 jobs.

"I thought it was a good thing that Amazon was coming to New York and wanted to give us money," Ocasio-Cortez told the press. "But then I found out they were going to extort people and only give them the money if they worked for it. Forcing people to work if they want to get paid -- how is that any different from slavery?"

A number of people tried to explain to her how that was different from slavery, but she just stared at them with incomprehension. "No one needs to work," Ocasio-Cortez continued. "We just need to tax the rich enough and we'll have enough money for everyone, and no one will need one of those awful jobs that are just as bad as slavery and almost as bad as transphobia. We could also maybe print some money. I have a printer at home."

Not everyone was as happy about the loss of 25,000 new jobs. "You fool! What have you done?!" New York Governor Andrew Cuomo shouted at Ocasio-Cortez as he ran into her press conference.


Not satire, dear boy. More like modern history, no?

14/02/2019.

Quote:
KEY POINTS:

New York City will lose the bulk of the 25,000 jobs that were initially promised by Amazon's HQ2, the company's spokesperson confirmed.

Instead, most of those jobs will be spread across 17 of Amazon's corporate offices and tech hubs in North America, including Boston, Vancouver and Denver.

Amazon announced Thursday it will not build its headquarters in New York City after local opposition.The company had originally planned to build the campus in the Long Island City neighborhood of Queens.


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/14/new-york-will-lose-the-bulk-of-the-25000-jobs-th...

This is satire:

https://babylonbee.com/news/ocasio-cortez-declares-victory-over-the-modern-day-e...

Cunning, no?

Amazon announced Thursday it will not build its headquarters in New York City after local opposition.
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