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THE REAL VOICE AGENDA FINALLY REVEALED (Read 2439 times)
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Reply #120 - Aug 4th, 2023 at 9:58pm
 
Linus wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 9:33pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 9:29pm:
Linus wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 9:26pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 9:21pm:
Linus wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 9:14pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 9:03pm:
Linus wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 5:57pm:
What are you afraid of, exactly? What do you think you will lose?


A moronic, question, calculated to be moronic.

What are YOU afraid of? What do you thing YOU will lose if the answer is NO?

Here are a few questions you can mull over. Native Title has been around for a while now and there have been quite a few successful claims, tell me, did you lose anything? Did your life change in any way? Did you even notice? What makes you think that the sky will fall if The Voice gets up?

Honest answers please, LIEsa  Grin


Yes. Access is limited, fake Abos proliferated, 'cultural' bollocks interference is everywhere.

I am happy to treaty with Abos if they surrender every gain modernity gave them. Go back to pre-1788 Abo ways and let us treaty.
I am all for that. And stay pre-1788 until we have a treaty.

No modern amenities for you until then - no medicine, schools, internet, cars, houses, plumbing, clothes, shoes, none of the evil British oppressive impositions on Abos.


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Why should they? Should the world give back everything that they got from the Greeks and Romans?

And why do you need to be derogatory toward them, Frank?




We are NOT seeking a treaty with the Greeks and the Romans.

That I need to point out something so elementary to you tells me that you are completely out of your depth - like Burhey- and frankly, too stupid for words. Idiotic.


Alien 777 is correct. Alien.






Your comment about taking modernity back is ridiculous. Sorry, if you didn't figure that out.


You couldn't articulate that, could you?
Asserting emotional crap is your limit?




Excuse me, Frank. I think you're talking about yourself there and are projecting. You might need to review the garbage you wrote.


You are evading. We see you.


A treaty should be with pre-1788 Aborigines.

They should all revert to the state they were before colonialism was imposed on them. It makes no sense to take ALL the benefits of colonialism  and then try to negotiate AS IF they were still pre-colonial. It's just nonsense.

If colonialism was so bad, abandon and relinquish ALL its benefits as well its drawbacks,  revert to pre colonial ways and let's negotiate from there.



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Reply #121 - Aug 4th, 2023 at 10:34pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 6:59pm:
What is the YES bloc frightened of losing?  They have, after all, nothing to gain but fat cash for a few and a portion of GDP paid for life so they can have a luxury lifestyle on your sweat ... they won't lose the kid and wife bashing, the kids going hungry and rampaging on the streets....and so forth... their unemployment lifestyle ... so their culture will be intact.

You know what shocked me this evening on the news?  Our local police bosses starting up a 'sports program' at the 'village' to try to control junior crime, and the commentator saying it was on top of a program to provide breakfasts run by the same police... WTF??

Can I ask again WTF some of you are talking about, since you clearly know nothing and cannot think for yourselves?

NOBODY with half a brain wants this voice and all that follows from it - try reading before asking silly questions - the full ULURU statement has been published for you.  Try reading it here...

https://www.skynews.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Credlin-Editorial-PDF-2.pd...

These are not Credlin's words - these are the words of the Uluru Statement on which she based her editorial.


It's there on page 64
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There was strong support for Agreement Making as a vehicle for implementing policies such as a truth and reconciliation commission, designated seats in parliament, self determination policies, and economic measures like seeking a percentage of Gross Domestic Product
(GDP).


There was strong support for a
mechanism that would seek agreement for a percentage of GDP to be allocated to and administered by First Nations

The idea of ‘sovereign debt’ was raised, to pay for the debts of dispossession and colonialism



The restless natives want compensation for colonialism paid by those who had nothing to do with colonialism or dispossession.

Why should kids be taught a language that is used by less than 3% of our population and not spoken anywhere else in the world?

Keep that claptrap out of our schools and teach STEM subjects.

I doubt any woke idiots would read that document they will vote yes on feelings ingorance and emotion.

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Reply #122 - Aug 4th, 2023 at 10:44pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 9:58pm:
Linus wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 9:33pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 9:29pm:
Linus wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 9:26pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 9:21pm:
Linus wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 9:14pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 9:03pm:
Linus wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 5:57pm:
What are you afraid of, exactly? What do you think you will lose?


A moronic, question, calculated to be moronic.

What are YOU afraid of? What do you thing YOU will lose if the answer is NO?

Here are a few questions you can mull over. Native Title has been around for a while now and there have been quite a few successful claims, tell me, did you lose anything? Did your life change in any way? Did you even notice? What makes you think that the sky will fall if The Voice gets up?

Honest answers please, LIEsa  Grin


Yes. Access is limited, fake Abos proliferated, 'cultural' bollocks interference is everywhere.

I am happy to treaty with Abos if they surrender every gain modernity gave them. Go back to pre-1788 Abo ways and let us treaty.
I am all for that. And stay pre-1788 until we have a treaty.

No modern amenities for you until then - no medicine, schools, internet, cars, houses, plumbing, clothes, shoes, none of the evil British oppressive impositions on Abos.


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Why should they? Should the world give back everything that they got from the Greeks and Romans?

And why do you need to be derogatory toward them, Frank?




We are NOT seeking a treaty with the Greeks and the Romans.

That I need to point out something so elementary to you tells me that you are completely out of your depth - like Burhey- and frankly, too stupid for words. Idiotic.


Alien 777 is correct. Alien.






Your comment about taking modernity back is ridiculous. Sorry, if you didn't figure that out.


You couldn't articulate that, could you?
Asserting emotional crap is your limit?




Excuse me, Frank. I think you're talking about yourself there and are projecting. You might need to review the garbage you wrote.


You are evading. We see you.


A treaty should be with pre-1788 Aborigines.

They should all revert to the state they were before colonialism was imposed on them. It makes no sense to take ALL the benefits of colonialism  and then try to negotiate AS IF they were still pre-colonial. It's just nonsense.

If colonialism was so bad, abandon and relinquish ALL its benefits as well its drawbacks,  revert to pre colonial ways and let's negotiate from there.





Apart from repeating yourself , Frank, what you said is still batshit crazy.
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Reply #123 - Aug 4th, 2023 at 11:15pm
 
Multiculturalism was sold to Australians as fair and logical way to dismantle the long standing white-Australia policy. Everyone was supposed to have the same rights before the law. All races with their religions could be citizens. Cracks started to show in that idea when Muzelums started murdering people for not being Muzelams.

Did Leftist progressives pause to think which political culture wrote multiculturalism into its laws? Not even with the fact that these multicultural countries are the only ones that refugees want to go to. But Leftist Humanist Prgressives are never wrong about anything, and now they want to qualify multiculturalism with a special status based on race. That's supposed to make things fairer.
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Reply #124 - Aug 5th, 2023 at 12:16am
 
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Multiculturalism was sold to Australians as fair and logical way to dismantle the long standing white-Australia policy. Everyone was supposed to have the same rights before the law. All races with their religions could be citizens.


This is passable

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Cracks started to show in that idea when Muzelums started murdering people for not being Muzelams.


What some individuals did  has got nothing to do with whole communities.

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Did Leftist progressives pause to think which political culture wrote multiculturalism into its laws?


Do Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, India, Brazil, Mexico, Mauritius, Kenya, Fiji and South Africa count?

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Not even with the fact that these multicultural countries are the only ones that refugees want to go to.


Refugees have gone to all the above counties I mentioned, apart from maybe Fiji.

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Prgressives are never wrong about anything, and now they want to qualify multiculturalism with a special status based on race. That's supposed to make things fairer.


The Indigenous Voice seeks to address the historical marginalization and exclusion of Indigenous Australians from decision-making processes in their own country. It is an attempt to recognize and remedy the unique and ongoing impacts of colonization and dispossession on Indigenous communities, which have experienced severe and long-standing injustices.

The proposal for the Indigenous Voice is not about granting a "special status" to Indigenous Australians above all other ethnic communities. Instead, it is about providing a constitutionally enshrined mechanism for Indigenous Australians to have a say in matters that directly affect them, acknowledging their distinct position as the First Nations of Australia.

It's consistent with multiculturalism and it's making things fairer.
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Reply #125 - Aug 5th, 2023 at 7:21am
 
Linus wrote on Aug 5th, 2023 at 12:16am:
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Multiculturalism was sold to Australians as fair and logical way to dismantle the long standing white-Australia policy. Everyone was supposed to have the same rights before the law. All races with their religions could be citizens.


This is passable

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Cracks started to show in that idea when Muzelums started murdering people for not being Muzelams.


What some individuals did  has got nothing to do with whole communities.

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Did Leftist progressives pause to think which political culture wrote multiculturalism into its laws?


Do Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, India, Brazil, Mexico, Mauritius, Kenya, Fiji and South Africa count?

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Not even with the fact that these multicultural countries are the only ones that refugees want to go to.


Refugees have gone to all the above counties I mentioned, apart from maybe Fiji.

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Prgressives are never wrong about anything, and now they want to qualify multiculturalism with a special status based on race. That's supposed to make things fairer.


The Indigenous Voice seeks to address the historical marginalization and exclusion of Indigenous Australians from decision-making processes in their own country. It is an attempt to recognize and remedy the unique and ongoing impacts of colonization and dispossession on Indigenous communities, which have experienced severe and long-standing injustices.

The proposal for the Indigenous Voice is not about granting a "special status" to Indigenous Australians above all other ethnic communities. Instead, it is about providing a constitutionally enshrined mechanism for Indigenous Australians to have a say in matters that directly affect them, acknowledging their distinct position as the First Nations of Australia.

It's consistent with multiculturalism and it's making things fairer.


So you've read the full Uluru Statement?

Going by that prog waffle you have not.
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Reply #126 - Aug 5th, 2023 at 10:32am
 
Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 9:58pm:
A treaty should be with pre-1788 Aborigines.

They should all revert to the state they were before colonialism was imposed on them.



Just when I think you said the dumbest thing ever, you go and come up with something even dumber Cheesy Cheesy

How will that work Sore end? Will all the white people go back to pre 1788 too so that the aborigines can go back to the way they were?

Christ you're an idiot
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Reply #127 - Aug 5th, 2023 at 10:41am
 
I still want to know how they're going to find the rent money on all the improvements...  do you have any idea how much a gold mine in Kalgoorlie costs?  Or an entire city?
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Reply #128 - Aug 5th, 2023 at 10:53am
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 5th, 2023 at 10:32am:
Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 9:58pm:
A treaty should be with pre-1788 Aborigines.

They should all revert to the state they were before colonialism was imposed on them.



Just when I think you said the dumbest thing ever, you go and come up with something even dumber Cheesy Cheesy

How will that work Sore end? Will all the white people go back to pre 1788 too so that the aborigines can go back to the way they were?

Christ you're an idiot

The absurdity of it demonstrates the absurdity of making a treaty with Aborigines who have inexorably and irreversible MOVED INTO modernity.  There are no Aborigines who are still like pre1788 Abos, and never will be. The treaty would be with thoroughly Europeanised Aborigines, speaking, thinking like Europeans. It wou lok d be a MODERN political treaty, exclusively along the lines of modern Western political and legal lines,  not a treaty between two worlds, one pre-contact and the other modern.


The black armband, sorry business type of moaning about Aborigines ignores the benefits and, for a pre-contact Aborigine, unimaginable improvements that Europeans have brought to their lives. If they were serioys about colonisation being an unmitigated disaster they should abandon and give up any of the benefits of it. Can't have it both ways. Truth telling is a two way street.

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Reply #130 - Aug 5th, 2023 at 12:34pm
 
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Yeah, yeah, who cares, except Racists like you, Matty?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #131 - Aug 5th, 2023 at 12:36pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5th, 2023 at 12:34pm:
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Yeah, yeah, who cares, except Racists like you, Matty?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



It is much more than a modest change - it is huge

They will divide Parliament House into 3 and the Voice will be equal to the Senate and the House of Reps

This is dangerous

The Voice is evil and will destroy my country - not a "Modest Request"
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Reply #132 - Aug 5th, 2023 at 12:36pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 5th, 2023 at 10:53am:
The absurdity of it demonstrates


your stupidity

Frank wrote on Aug 5th, 2023 at 10:53am:
There are no Aborigines who are still like pre1788 Abos, and never will be


thats why no one has ever suggested such stupidity other than you
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Reply #133 - Aug 5th, 2023 at 12:38pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 5th, 2023 at 10:53am:
The treaty would be with thoroughly Europeanised Aborigines, speaking, thinking like Europeans



are you afraid that you won't be able to trade NSW for a bag of beads or a shiny mirror anymore? Ohh the horror. Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #134 - Aug 5th, 2023 at 12:40pm
 
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