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Reply #45 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:46am

Leftists have always been on a "moral" crusade, and if that means undermining Australia democracy, so be it. Democracy is only important to Leftists when it suits their agenda. The so called Voice is being touted as the moral thing to do, but it is actually a way to pad parliament with more Leftists, especially those who can be bought with promises of reparation for the indignity of being included as citizens of the Australian Commonwealth.

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Reply #46 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:48am

You know, we already have history books that state that there was a take over of the Australian continent over a period of 140 years. We recognise that Australia has been a country for the last 122 years. We recognise that indigenous people were made citizens of Australia 56 years ago. And we recognise that indigenous people have rights afforded to them because of that.

There is no need to change a Constitution to do any of the proposed changes that are already in place.

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Reply #47 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:49am

issuevoter wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:46am:

Leftists have always been on a "moral" crusade, and if that means undermining Australia democracy, so be it. Democracy is only important to Leftists when it suits their agenda. The so called Voice is being touted as the moral thing to do, but it is actually a way to pad parliament with more Leftists, especially those who can be bought with promises of reparation for the indignity of being included as citizens of the Australian Commonwealth.

Ph for crying out loud.

Where on earth are you people getting your information from?

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35303 Gender:	Re: THE REAL VOICE AGENDA FINALLY REVEALED Reply #49 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:52am UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:51am: mothra wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:49am: Ph for crying out loud. Where on earth are you people getting your information from? We should ask you the same thing. Well i'm getting my information from official sources, Rocky. Is that surprising to you?
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Reply #50 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:52am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:03am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 10:54am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 2:25pm:

Albanese is just guessing what he thinks the public wants. He has misread what is best for Australia. He is so city-centric that he does not know what goes on in rural and regional areas need done.

Yeah that's true

I reckon hardly anyone in the bush will vote "Yes"

Absolutely!

I know for a fact that hardly any Chinese (and they’re mainly left wingers) will be voting YES. In fact they can’t stand Albo now. They’re no fools! They know the Voice movement is REALLY about massive land grabs and massive handouts of money (which our Govt doesn’t have and will need to borrow).

I don’t think Albo will be around for long.

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Reply #51 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:55am

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:41am:

Linus wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 10:26am:

I still maintain your personal life will go on just the same, Grappler.

In any case, the current Constitution is flawed as it was founded on the concept of terra nullius, which denied recognition to the Indigenous owners of this land. The failure to acknowledge their rights has perpetuated historical injustices and social inequalities.

As we are aware, the doctrine of terra nullius was rightfully overturned in the landmark Mabo case, which recognized the existence of native title and the ongoing connection of Indigenous peoples to their traditional lands. This legal precedent provides strong justification for amending the Constitution to formally acknowledge and honor the traditional owners of Australia.

By recognizing Indigenous rights within the Constitution, we take a crucial step towards reconciliation and healing the wounds of the past. It sends a powerful message of respect, inclusivity, and acknowledgment of the First Nations' custodianship of this land for thousands of years.

Moreover, constitutional recognition can provide a framework for collaboration and consultation with Indigenous communities on important national matters, including policies affecting their lands, cultures, and well-being. A constitutionally enshrined Voice to Parliament, as proposed by many, would promote genuine dialogue and meaningful representation for Indigenous Australians in decision-making processes.

Just like in any household, where all members should have a say in decisions that affect them, it is reasonable and just for Indigenous Australians to be actively involved in shaping policies and decisions that impact their lives, communities, and culture. The establishment of the Voice to Parliament offers a genuine opportunity for reconciliation and represents a step towards building a more equitable and respectful nation.

What do you make of Aborigines who are against the Voice in the Constitution? And prominent lawyers, public figures?

Nothing that virtually nobody opposes recognition in the Constitution, first proposed by Howard and Abbott.

In every community, there are diverse opinions. We can plainly see that here. I've stated mine, and others have stated their opinions. How you vote on this issue is a matter for your conscience and moral compass.

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Reply #52 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:58am

Linus wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:35am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:19am:

Linus wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 10:26am:

I still maintain your personal life will go on just the same, Grappler.

Yeah, but your cost of living and access to social services will disappear when indigenous people make land and money grabs and all those projects get scrapped because some indigenous people want to live a hippie lifestyle and block any progress that would boost the Australian economy. Because if the indigenous are incapable of dragging themselves out of the Stone Age, then they might as well drag the modern society into the Stone Ages, so that they don't look so bad by comparison.

This seems to sum up the last two negative posts.

I understand that you may have concerns about the potential impact of recognizing Indigenous rights and establishing the Voice to Parliament.

However, it's crucial to avoid generalizations about Indigenous communities. It's important to remember that the goal of the Voice to Parliament is not about promoting a 'hippie lifestyle' or blocking progress but rather about recognizing the historical injustices faced by Indigenous Australians and providing them with a platform to have their voices heard.

The aim of constitutional recognition and the Voice to Parliament is to promote inclusivity, respect, and understanding while working towards a more equitable and just society. It does not seek to disadvantage or exclude anyone but rather to create opportunities for genuine dialogue, consultation, and collaboration.

Economic development and progress can indeed coexist with the recognition of Indigenous rights. In fact, research has shown that when Indigenous communities have a say in projects and policies that affect their lands, there is a greater likelihood of successful outcomes and sustainable development.

And yet, your post is full of generalizations

I can tell you now that this Voice thing is only to console and appease the Aboriginals while the two major half brain parties import millions more immigrants

If they had any respect for Abos, they'd stop immigration right now

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Reply #53 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:59am

mothra wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:52am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:51am:

mothra wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:49am:

Ph for crying out loud.

Where on earth are you people getting your information from?

We should ask you the same thing.

Well i'm getting my information from official sources, Rocky.

Is that surprising to you?

I intend on switching on the youtube channel and listening to a university lecturer lecture about the Australian Constitution. Perhaps I can go online and access the Constitution to read for myself, too. I also intend to read up on the appropriate law regarding racial discrimination. Then I want to apply both in an argument about the legality of changing the Constitution to racially discriminate against non-indigenous Australians.

I would doubt that my official sources would help your argument at all.

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Reply #54 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:59am

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:58am:

Linus wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:35am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:19am:

Linus wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 10:26am:

I still maintain your personal life will go on just the same, Grappler.

Yeah, but your cost of living and access to social services will disappear when indigenous people make land and money grabs and all those projects get scrapped because some indigenous people want to live a hippie lifestyle and block any progress that would boost the Australian economy. Because if the indigenous are incapable of dragging themselves out of the Stone Age, then they might as well drag the modern society into the Stone Ages, so that they don't look so bad by comparison.

This seems to sum up the last two negative posts.

I understand that you may have concerns about the potential impact of recognizing Indigenous rights and establishing the Voice to Parliament.

However, it's crucial to avoid generalizations about Indigenous communities. It's important to remember that the goal of the Voice to Parliament is not about promoting a 'hippie lifestyle' or blocking progress but rather about recognizing the historical injustices faced by Indigenous Australians and providing them with a platform to have their voices heard.

The aim of constitutional recognition and the Voice to Parliament is to promote inclusivity, respect, and understanding while working towards a more equitable and just society. It does not seek to disadvantage or exclude anyone but rather to create opportunities for genuine dialogue, consultation, and collaboration.

Economic development and progress can indeed coexist with the recognition of Indigenous rights. In fact, research has shown that when Indigenous communities have a say in projects and policies that affect their lands, there is a greater likelihood of successful outcomes and sustainable development.

And yet, your post is full of generalizations

I can tell you now that this Voice thing is only to console and appease the Aboriginals while the two major half brain parties import millions more immigrants

If they had any respect for Abos, they'd stop immigration right now

I'm sorry, where are the generalisations in his post?

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Reply #55 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:03pm

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I know for a fact that hardly any Chinese (and they’re mainly left wingers) will be voting YES. In fact they can’t stand Albo now. They’re no fools! They know the Voice movement is REALLY about massive land grabs and massive handouts of money (which our Govt doesn’t have and will need to borrow).

Where did you run your poll, Lisa? Over the back fence?

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Reply #56 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:10pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:45am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:28am:

How can you say it won't affect our lives Linus Numpty?

That's just your desperation saying that

Politicians and people of note are too scared not to begin speeches with "We recognize Elders past, present and future"

The Abos have already got us by the balls ... and they're gunna squeeze tighter if they get this Voice

Bushies need a voice too, we get nothing out here, we're almost living like Abos, local Councils just ignore us

You need not worry so much since you have no balls anyway.

The voice will have ZERO impact on anyone's lives except perhaps that of racists who risk depression if the voice suceeds and aborigines, who's lives it is supposed to affect

Nah, it only changes the Constitution, that's all

Now tell us the Constitution doesn't affect everyone?, Ballsy Gino

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Reply #57 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:20pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:45am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:28am:

How can you say it won't affect our lives Linus Numpty?

That's just your desperation saying that

Politicians and people of note are too scared not to begin speeches with "We recognize Elders past, present and future"

The Abos have already got us by the balls ... and they're gunna squeeze tighter if they get this Voice

Bushies need a voice too, we get nothing out here, we're almost living like Abos, local Councils just ignore us

You need not worry so much since you have no balls anyway.

The voice will have ZERO impact on anyone's lives except perhaps that of racists who risk depression if the voice suceeds and aborigines, who's lives it is supposed to affect

Nah, it only changes the Constitution, that's all

Now tell us the Constitution doesn't affect everyone?, Ballsy Gino

Only to recognise a Voice to parliament.

That is all.

What on earth is wrong with that?

God you people are deranged. Chicken Littles is spot on.

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Reply #58 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:27pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:45am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:28am:

How can you say it won't affect our lives Linus Numpty?

That's just your desperation saying that

Politicians and people of note are too scared not to begin speeches with "We recognize Elders past, present and future"

The Abos have already got us by the balls ... and they're gunna squeeze tighter if they get this Voice

Bushies need a voice too, we get nothing out here, we're almost living like Abos, local Councils just ignore us

You need not worry so much since you have no balls anyway.

The voice will have ZERO impact on anyone's lives except perhaps that of racists who risk depression if the voice suceeds and aborigines, who's lives it is supposed to affect

Nah, it only changes the Constitution, that's all

Now tell us the Constitution doesn't affect everyone?, Ballsy Gino

What you're really concerned about is whether the Voice will negatively impact your life. Tell me how The Voice will be a detriment to you.

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Reply #59 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:34pm

mothra wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:20pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:45am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:28am:

How can you say it won't affect our lives Linus Numpty?

That's just your desperation saying that

Politicians and people of note are too scared not to begin speeches with "We recognize Elders past, present and future"

The Abos have already got us by the balls ... and they're gunna squeeze tighter if they get this Voice

Bushies need a voice too, we get nothing out here, we're almost living like Abos, local Councils just ignore us

You need not worry so much since you have no balls anyway.

The voice will have ZERO impact on anyone's lives except perhaps that of racists who risk depression if the voice suceeds and aborigines, who's lives it is supposed to affect

Nah, it only changes the Constitution, that's all

Now tell us the Constitution doesn't affect everyone?, Ballsy Gino

Only to recognise a Voice to parliament.

That is all.

What on earth is wrong with that?

God you people are deranged. Chicken Littles is spot on.

It divides Australia and we have Australia and a separate entity non Australia because you cannot make a treaty or pay reparations with Australians - only Non-Australians.

The Voice creates a separate Nation

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