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Reply #60 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:39pm

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:41am:

Linus wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 10:26am:

I still maintain your personal life will go on just the same, Grappler.

In any case, the current Constitution is flawed as it was founded on the concept of terra nullius, which denied recognition to the Indigenous owners of this land. The failure to acknowledge their rights has perpetuated historical injustices and social inequalities.

As we are aware, the doctrine of terra nullius was rightfully overturned in the landmark Mabo case, which recognized the existence of native title and the ongoing connection of Indigenous peoples to their traditional lands. This legal precedent provides strong justification for amending the Constitution to formally acknowledge and honor the traditional owners of Australia.

By recognizing Indigenous rights within the Constitution, we take a crucial step towards reconciliation and healing the wounds of the past. It sends a powerful message of respect, inclusivity, and acknowledgment of the First Nations' custodianship of this land for thousands of years.

Moreover, constitutional recognition can provide a framework for collaboration and consultation with Indigenous communities on important national matters, including policies affecting their lands, cultures, and well-being. A constitutionally enshrined Voice to Parliament, as proposed by many, would promote genuine dialogue and meaningful representation for Indigenous Australians in decision-making processes.

Just like in any household, where all members should have a say in decisions that affect them, it is reasonable and just for Indigenous Australians to be actively involved in shaping policies and decisions that impact their lives, communities, and culture. The establishment of the Voice to Parliament offers a genuine opportunity for reconciliation and represents a step towards building a more equitable and respectful nation.

What do you make of Aborigines who are against the Voice in the Constitution? And prominent lawyers, public figures?

Nothing that virtually nobody opposes recognition in the Constitution, first proposed by Howard and Abbott.

Name ONE thing Australia, or any 'white' country for that matter, did that 100% of the population agreed with?

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41053	Re: THE REAL VOICE AGENDA FINALLY REVEALED Reply #61 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:40pm Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty, whatever. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Reply #62 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:42pm

Boris wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:34pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:20pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:45am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:28am:

How can you say it won't affect our lives Linus Numpty?

That's just your desperation saying that

Politicians and people of note are too scared not to begin speeches with "We recognize Elders past, present and future"

The Abos have already got us by the balls ... and they're gunna squeeze tighter if they get this Voice

Bushies need a voice too, we get nothing out here, we're almost living like Abos, local Councils just ignore us

You need not worry so much since you have no balls anyway.

The voice will have ZERO impact on anyone's lives except perhaps that of racists who risk depression if the voice suceeds and aborigines, who's lives it is supposed to affect

Nah, it only changes the Constitution, that's all

Now tell us the Constitution doesn't affect everyone?, Ballsy Gino

Only to recognise a Voice to parliament.

That is all.

What on earth is wrong with that?

God you people are deranged. Chicken Littles is spot on.

It divides Australia and we have Australia and a separate entity non Australia because you cannot make a treaty or pay reparations with Australians - only Non-Australians.

The Voice creates a separate Nation

No it doesn't.

Are you incapable of understanding what it is about because you are so triggered by the subject matter?

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Reply #63 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:44pm

Linus wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:03pm:

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I know for a fact that hardly any Chinese (and they’re mainly left wingers) will be voting YES. In fact they can’t stand Albo now. They’re no fools! They know the Voice movement is REALLY about massive land grabs and massive handouts of money (which our Govt doesn’t have and will need to borrow).

Where did you run your poll, Lisa? Over the back fence?

We have a few wealthy Chinese neighbours around us. One has a few notable political links.

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Reply #64 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:46pm

issuevoter wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:46am:

Leftists have always been on a "moral" crusade, and if that means undermining Australia democracy, so be it. Democracy is only important to Leftists when it suits their agenda. The so called Voice is being touted as the moral thing to do, but it is actually a way to pad parliament with more Leftists, especially those who can be bought with promises of reparation for the indignity of being included as citizens of the Australian Commonwealth.

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Reply #65 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:46pm

Linus wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:55am:

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:41am:

Linus wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 10:26am:

I still maintain your personal life will go on just the same, Grappler.

In any case, the current Constitution is flawed as it was founded on the concept of terra nullius, which denied recognition to the Indigenous owners of this land. The failure to acknowledge their rights has perpetuated historical injustices and social inequalities.

As we are aware, the doctrine of terra nullius was rightfully overturned in the landmark Mabo case, which recognized the existence of native title and the ongoing connection of Indigenous peoples to their traditional lands. This legal precedent provides strong justification for amending the Constitution to formally acknowledge and honor the traditional owners of Australia.

By recognizing Indigenous rights within the Constitution, we take a crucial step towards reconciliation and healing the wounds of the past. It sends a powerful message of respect, inclusivity, and acknowledgment of the First Nations' custodianship of this land for thousands of years.

Moreover, constitutional recognition can provide a framework for collaboration and consultation with Indigenous communities on important national matters, including policies affecting their lands, cultures, and well-being. A constitutionally enshrined Voice to Parliament, as proposed by many, would promote genuine dialogue and meaningful representation for Indigenous Australians in decision-making processes.

Just like in any household, where all members should have a say in decisions that affect them, it is reasonable and just for Indigenous Australians to be actively involved in shaping policies and decisions that impact their lives, communities, and culture. The establishment of the Voice to Parliament offers a genuine opportunity for reconciliation and represents a step towards building a more equitable and respectful nation.

What do you make of Aborigines who are against the Voice in the Constitution? And prominent lawyers, public figures?

Nothing that virtually nobody opposes recognition in the Constitution, first proposed by Howard and Abbott.

In every community, there are diverse opinions. We can plainly see that here. I've stated mine, and others have stated their opinions. How you vote on this issue is a matter for your conscience and moral compass.

So what is wrong with 'morsl compass' and ' conscience of Aborigines opposing the Voice in the Constitution.

Do note that the debate is about CONSTITUTIONAL CHANGE, not about the legislated existence of an Aboriginal voice.

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Reply #66 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:47pm

issuevoter wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:46am:

Leftists have always been on a "moral" crusade, and if that means undermining Australia democracy, so be it. Democracy is only important to Leftists when it suits their agenda. The so called Voice is being touted as the moral thing to do, but it is actually a way to pad parliament with more Leftists, especially those who can be bought with promises of reparation for the indignity of being included as citizens of the Australian Commonwealth.

The leftist concept of “morality” changes all the time. It can mean anything. That’s why leftists are often referred to as lying grubs.

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Reply #67 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:49pm

Linus wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:27pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:45am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:28am:

How can you say it won't affect our lives Linus Numpty?

That's just your desperation saying that

Politicians and people of note are too scared not to begin speeches with "We recognize Elders past, present and future"

The Abos have already got us by the balls ... and they're gunna squeeze tighter if they get this Voice

Bushies need a voice too, we get nothing out here, we're almost living like Abos, local Councils just ignore us

You need not worry so much since you have no balls anyway.

The voice will have ZERO impact on anyone's lives except perhaps that of racists who risk depression if the voice suceeds and aborigines, who's lives it is supposed to affect

Nah, it only changes the Constitution, that's all

Now tell us the Constitution doesn't affect everyone?, Ballsy Gino

What you're really concerned about is whether the Voice will negatively impact your life. Tell me how The Voice will be a detriment to you.

Once again ... Linus has appointed himself as the Voice for others.

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Reply #68 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:51pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 10:53am:

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 8:32am:

Linus wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 6:05pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 5:27pm:

Linus wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 3:47pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 3:40pm:

Linus wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 3:20pm:

The Voice is not going to impinge on you in any adverse way, Lisa. You'll continue to muddle through in your benighted universe just the same.

Your passive-aggressive assumptions are not even interesting these days.

Nothing passive-aggressive about it.

So the voice idea is totally Aboriginal exclusive territory, and has no impact on anyone else?

You are a dreamer.

It won't affect Lisa's life and I doubt it will affect yours or mine.

I'm not sure what you think is going to happen. But if it's along the line of this:

https://www.rmit.edu.au/news/factlab-meta/voice-referendum-will-not-end-private-...

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then I think you're having unnecessary nightmares.

This is one of the most vacuous and parochial 'arguments' in this debate.

The Constitution affects every aspect of your life that has anything to do with laws and government because it is the basis law and rule book of what legislations and the three arms of government that make and administer them can and cannot do.

100%!

Linus has appointed himself as our Voice. The blatant irony and hypocrisy of that ID knows no bounds.

Again : Linus .... the self-appointed Voice of OzPol

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Reply #69 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:51pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:45am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:28am:

How can you say it won't affect our lives Linus Numpty?

That's just your desperation saying that

Politicians and people of note are too scared not to begin speeches with "We recognize Elders past, present and future"

The Abos have already got us by the balls ... and they're gunna squeeze tighter if they get this Voice

Bushies need a voice too, we get nothing out here, we're almost living like Abos, local Councils just ignore us

You need not worry so much since you have no balls anyway.

The voice will have ZERO impact on anyone's lives except perhaps that of racists who risk depression if the voice suceeds and aborigines, who's lives it is supposed to affect

Nah, it only changes the Constitution, that's all

Now tell us the Constitution doesn't affect everyone?, Ballsy Gino

Yes, obviously it changes the constitution since that is why you get a vote you dumbarse. You must have gone to high school to figure that out on your own. Irrespective of that, it will have ZERO impact on you and your life

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Reply #70 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:00pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:51pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:45am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:28am:

How can you say it won't affect our lives Linus Numpty?

That's just your desperation saying that

Politicians and people of note are too scared not to begin speeches with "We recognize Elders past, present and future"

The Abos have already got us by the balls ... and they're gunna squeeze tighter if they get this Voice

Bushies need a voice too, we get nothing out here, we're almost living like Abos, local Councils just ignore us

You need not worry so much since you have no balls anyway.

The voice will have ZERO impact on anyone's lives except perhaps that of racists who risk depression if the voice suceeds and aborigines, who's lives it is supposed to affect

Nah, it only changes the Constitution, that's all

Now tell us the Constitution doesn't affect everyone?, Ballsy Gino

Yes, obviously it changes the constitution since that is why you get a vote you dumbarse. You must have gone to high school to figure that out on your own. Irrespective of that, it will have ZERO impact on you and your life

I honestly don't know what it is they think will happen.

I keep asking them what they're afraid of and not one of them has given me a reasonable reply.

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Reply #71 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:02pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:51pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 10:53am:

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 8:32am:

Linus wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 6:05pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 5:27pm:

Linus wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 3:47pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 3:40pm:

Linus wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 3:20pm:

The Voice is not going to impinge on you in any adverse way, Lisa. You'll continue to muddle through in your benighted universe just the same.

Your passive-aggressive assumptions are not even interesting these days.

Nothing passive-aggressive about it.

So the voice idea is totally Aboriginal exclusive territory, and has no impact on anyone else?

You are a dreamer.

It won't affect Lisa's life and I doubt it will affect yours or mine.

I'm not sure what you think is going to happen. But if it's along the line of this:

https://www.rmit.edu.au/news/factlab-meta/voice-referendum-will-not-end-private-...

,

then I think you're having unnecessary nightmares.

This is one of the most vacuous and parochial 'arguments' in this debate.

The Constitution affects every aspect of your life that has anything to do with laws and government because it is the basis law and rule book of what legislations and the three arms of government that make and administer them can and cannot do.

100%!

Linus has appointed himself as our Voice. The blatant irony and hypocrisy of that ID knows no bounds.

Again : Linus .... the self-appointed Voice of OzPol

You're perplexing Lisa. How am I appointing myself the voice of Ozpol in any way? I offered a point of view like you and others.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45035 Gender:	Re: THE REAL VOICE AGENDA FINALLY REVEALED Reply #72 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:08pm So what is wrong with 'morsl compass' and ' conscience of Aborigines opposing the Voice in the Constitution? Do note that the debate is about CONSTITUTIONAL CHANGE, not about the legislated existence of an Aboriginal voice.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74303 Gender:	Re: THE REAL VOICE AGENDA FINALLY REVEALED Reply #73 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:10pm Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:08pm: So what is wrong with 'morsl compass' and ' conscience of Aborigines opposing the Voice in the Constitution? Who said that there is anything wrong with it?
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Reply #74 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:17pm

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:08pm:

So what is wrong with 'morsl compass' and ' conscience of Aborigines opposing the Voice in the Constitution?

Do note that the debate is about CONSTITUTIONAL CHANGE, not about the legislated existence of an Aboriginal voice.

And how exactly does that proposed change effect you?

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