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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45035 Gender:	Re: THE REAL VOICE AGENDA FINALLY REVEALED Reply #75 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:26pm John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:10pm: Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:08pm: So what is wrong with 'morsl compass' and ' conscience of Aborigines opposing the Voice in the Constitution? Who said that there is anything wrong with it? Linus.
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Reply #76 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:28pm

mothra wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:17pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:08pm:

So what is wrong with 'morsl compass' and ' conscience of Aborigines opposing the Voice in the Constitution?

Do note that the debate is about CONSTITUTIONAL CHANGE, not about the legislated existence of an Aboriginal voice.

And how exactly does that proposed change effect you?

This is one of the most vacuous and parochial 'arguments' in this debate.

The Constitution affects every aspect of your life that has anything to do with laws and government because it is the basis law and rule book of what legislations and the three arms of government that make and administer them can and cannot do.

(The word is 'affect you' fatheaded spelling nazi)

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Reply #77 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:31pm

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:08pm:

So what is wrong with 'morsl compass' and ' conscience of Aborigines opposing the Voice in the Constitution?

Do note that the debate is about CONSTITUTIONAL CHANGE, not about the legislated existence of an Aboriginal voice.

Frank is being clever in quoting my typo. My mistake, I hit the "s" key which is right next to the "a" key.

And he's also being precious. You know very well, Frank, that you and the like, aren't concerned about Constitutional change per se. You're problem is that you harbour a view that it will benefit Indigenous Australians to your detriment.

There is no evidence that it will, and if you re-read what I wrote, The Voice will be a win/win for Australian society.

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Reply #78 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:33pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:51pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:45am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:28am:

How can you say it won't affect our lives Linus Numpty?

That's just your desperation saying that

Politicians and people of note are too scared not to begin speeches with "We recognize Elders past, present and future"

The Abos have already got us by the balls ... and they're gunna squeeze tighter if they get this Voice

Bushies need a voice too, we get nothing out here, we're almost living like Abos, local Councils just ignore us

You need not worry so much since you have no balls anyway.

The voice will have ZERO impact on anyone's lives except perhaps that of racists who risk depression if the voice suceeds and aborigines, who's lives it is supposed to affect

Nah, it only changes the Constitution, that's all

Now tell us the Constitution doesn't affect everyone?, Ballsy Gino

Yes, obviously it changes the constitution since that is why you get a vote you dumbarse. You must have gone to high school to figure that out on your own. Irrespective of that, it will have ZERO impact on you and your life

Well, howabout you quit implying it won't affect every other Australian ... we have to pay for all the concessions the Abos get, for a start, unless you, mothra & Co alone don't mind paying for it

The Abos would be better off with their own Constitution, so they can run their own affairs. They wouldn't have to put up with all you whitie leftie know-it-all dogooders then

You've done enough damage to them already, now you want to damage them even further with your elitist whitie privileged forked tongue globalist humanist sh!t

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Reply #80 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:35pm

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:10pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:08pm:

So what is wrong with 'morsl compass' and ' conscience of Aborigines opposing the Voice in the Constitution?

Who said that there is anything wrong with it?

Linus.

You did twist my words. Are you always this dishonest, Frank?

I said that how you vote depends on your conscience and moral compass.

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Reply #81 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:43pm

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:28pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:17pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:08pm:

So what is wrong with 'morsl compass' and ' conscience of Aborigines opposing the Voice in the Constitution?

Do note that the debate is about CONSTITUTIONAL CHANGE, not about the legislated existence of an Aboriginal voice.

And how exactly does that proposed change effect you?

This is one of the most vacuous and parochial 'arguments' in this debate.

The Constitution affects every aspect of your life that has anything to do with laws and government because it is the basis law and rule book of what legislations and the three arms of government that make and administer them can and cannot do.

(The word is 'affect you' fatheaded spelling nazi)

I'm sorry old boy, did you think that answered my question?

But now i have a new one for you. Does every single aspect of the Constitution as it stands effect every aspect of your daily life?

If not, would you like to think about answering my original question more sincerely?

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Reply #82 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:49pm

Linus wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:35pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:10pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:08pm:

So what is wrong with 'morsl compass' and ' conscience of Aborigines opposing the Voice in the Constitution?

Who said that there is anything wrong with it?

Linus.

You did twist my words. Are you always this dishonest, Frank?

I said that how you vote depends on your conscience and moral compass.

Frank doesn't do to well when asked to represent himself. Usually it's just a whole lot of adjectives slung together, usually with some form of reference to faeces in it.

Mostly he just copy and pastes other peoples work in lieu of his own opinion. And he rarely references it. I suspect for a good part of it, he's trying to pass it off as his own.

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Reply #83 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 2:01pm

Linus wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:35pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:10pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:08pm:

So what is wrong with 'morsl compass' and ' conscience of Aborigines opposing the Voice in the Constitution?

Who said that there is anything wrong with it?

Linus.

You did twist my words. Are you always this dishonest, Frank?

I said that how you vote depends on your conscience and moral compass.

Well, what is wrong with NO morality and conscience?
Obviously not like your morality or conscience. So where and what are the opposite side's shortcomings? You wouldnt raise these aspects of character if you didn't thing they mattered or that they signified something.

So I think you are a bit dishonest here.

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Reply #84 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 2:31pm

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 2:01pm:

Linus wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:35pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:10pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:08pm:

So what is wrong with 'morsl compass' and ' conscience of Aborigines opposing the Voice in the Constitution?

Who said that there is anything wrong with it?

Linus.

You did twist my words. Are you always this dishonest, Frank?

I said that how you vote depends on your conscience and moral compass.

Well, what is wrong with NO morality and conscience?
Obviously not like your morality or conscience. So where and what are the opposite side's shortcomings? You wouldnt raise these aspects of character if you didn't thing they mattered or that they signified something.

So I think you are a bit dishonest here.

Are you amoral and without a conscience, Frank?

Unless, you're some kind of uber psychopath, Frank, everyone has a moral compass and conscience.

You continue to impute meanings to my words that are not there.

I don't understand why you're taking umbrage to me saying that how you vote is up to your conscience and moral compass. I'm not saying what anyone's conscience or moral compass should be.

This is all a wild goose chase on your part.

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Reply #85 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 4:06pm

Linus wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 2:31pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 2:01pm:

Linus wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:35pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:10pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:08pm:

So what is wrong with 'morsl compass' and ' conscience of Aborigines opposing the Voice in the Constitution?

Who said that there is anything wrong with it?

Linus.

You did twist my words. Are you always this dishonest, Frank?

I said that how you vote depends on your conscience and moral compass.

Well, what is wrong with NO morality and conscience?
Obviously not like your morality or conscience. So where and what are the opposite side's shortcomings? You wouldnt raise these aspects of character if you didn't thing they mattered or that they signified something.

So I think you are a bit dishonest here.

Are you amoral and without a conscience, Frank?

Unless, you're some kind of uber psychopath, Frank, everyone has a moral compass and conscience.

You continue to impute meanings to my words that are not there.

I don't understand why you're taking umbrage to me saying that how you vote is up to your conscience and moral compass. I'm not saying what anyone's conscience or moral compass should be.

This is all a wild goose chase on your part.

You are implying that it is a morally diminished character with a conscience not as fine and lofty as yours who votes NO in this referendum.

You have presented the reasons for voting YES as moral imperatives and thise who recognise and follow such moral imperatives are following their fine and praiseworthy conscience- implying that taking thd opposite view point to the opposites in conscience and morality.

But a constitution is not a morality play so arguments from morality alone - your arguments - are missing the point but heavily mine the rich veins of moral and emotional blackmail.

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Reply #86 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 4:13pm

Linus wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:55am:

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:41am:

Linus wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 10:26am:

I still maintain your personal life will go on just the same, Grappler.

In any case, the current Constitution is flawed as it was founded on the concept of terra nullius, which denied recognition to the Indigenous owners of this land. The failure to acknowledge their rights has perpetuated historical injustices and social inequalities.

As we are aware, the doctrine of terra nullius was rightfully overturned in the landmark Mabo case, which recognized the existence of native title and the ongoing connection of Indigenous peoples to their traditional lands. This legal precedent provides strong justification for amending the Constitution to formally acknowledge and honor the traditional owners of Australia.

By recognizing Indigenous rights within the Constitution, we take a crucial step towards reconciliation and healing the wounds of the past. It sends a powerful message of respect, inclusivity, and acknowledgment of the First Nations' custodianship of this land for thousands of years.

Moreover, constitutional recognition can provide a framework for collaboration and consultation with Indigenous communities on important national matters, including policies affecting their lands, cultures, and well-being. A constitutionally enshrined Voice to Parliament, as proposed by many, would promote genuine dialogue and meaningful representation for Indigenous Australians in decision-making processes.

Just like in any household, where all members should have a say in decisions that affect them, it is reasonable and just for Indigenous Australians to be actively involved in shaping policies and decisions that impact their lives, communities, and culture. The establishment of the Voice to Parliament offers a genuine opportunity for reconciliation and represents a step towards building a more equitable and respectful nation.

What do you make of Aborigines who are against the Voice in the Constitution? And prominent lawyers, public figures?

Nothing that virtually nobody opposes recognition in the Constitution, first proposed by Howard and Abbott.

In every community, there are diverse opinions. We can plainly see that here. I've stated mine, and others have stated their opinions. How you vote on this issue is a matter for your conscience and moral compass.

You avoided the question of what you make of Aborigines who oppose the Voice in parliament?
Your emotional words are obviously not sufficient to sway them. Are they, do you think, against reconciliation, full Aboriginal participation in public life, against respect, against dialogue against improving the lives of Aborigines?
Do they lack your moral refinement and nobility of character?

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Reply #87 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 4:27pm

Linus wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:02pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:51pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 10:53am:

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 8:32am:

Linus wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 6:05pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 5:27pm:

Linus wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 3:47pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 3:40pm:

Linus wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 3:20pm:

The Voice is not going to impinge on you in any adverse way, Lisa. You'll continue to muddle through in your benighted universe just the same.

Your passive-aggressive assumptions are not even interesting these days.

Nothing passive-aggressive about it.

So the voice idea is totally Aboriginal exclusive territory, and has no impact on anyone else?

You are a dreamer.

It won't affect Lisa's life and I doubt it will affect yours or mine.

I'm not sure what you think is going to happen. But if it's along the line of this:

https://www.rmit.edu.au/news/factlab-meta/voice-referendum-will-not-end-private-...

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then I think you're having unnecessary nightmares.

This is one of the most vacuous and parochial 'arguments' in this debate.

The Constitution affects every aspect of your life that has anything to do with laws and government because it is the basis law and rule book of what legislations and the three arms of government that make and administer them can and cannot do.

100%!

Linus has appointed himself as our Voice. The blatant irony and hypocrisy of that ID knows no bounds.

Again : Linus .... the self-appointed Voice of OzPol

You're perplexing Lisa. How am I appointing myself the voice of Ozpol in any way? I offered a point of view like you and others.

You’re in denial Linus. You appointed yourself as the Voice of OzPol by offering a point of view for/on behalf of OzPol.

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Reply #88 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 7:14pm

The full PDF document of the Uluru Statement of the Heart has been made public through a FOI application ...

it lays bare the full intent behind the referendum & the Voice.

And as has been stated that's just the beginning of much more.

The leftards here were & are wrong.

Hey Aussie you wanker ... get a hold of the document & have a read.

It's not the sanitised shyte you've been reading.

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Reply #89 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 8:45pm

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:10pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 1:08pm:

So what is wrong with 'morsl compass' and ' conscience of Aborigines opposing the Voice in the Constitution?

Who said that there is anything wrong with it?

Linus.

I'm not sure he did.

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